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#1 dohdough

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:45 AM

Trolls are trolling all over Vs and I get suspended for posts one mod agrees with in the OT forum and I wasn't even trying to pick a fight. Does someone want me gone or are passive aggressive attacks from certain forum members the only types allowed?

If you guys want to turn Vs into a serious debate forum, I welcome it, but the rules are not being enforced uniformly whatsoever. If I report someone, nothing happens. When someone reports me for something, probably anything at this point, I get a ban.

I enjoy CAG, so let me know what's going on. If this is "personal," I'd rather not have other recently suspended CAGs be banned because of me. If this is too public to address, I'm sure I could be reached anonymously through the site to my email from an admin account.

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#2 GBAstar

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:03 AM

I figured you must have been on a "vacation". To be honest I don't like the vs thread as much without your strong opinions even if I don't agree with most of them.

I haven't been on this site as long as you but I'd have to assume if people get silenced or banned it is because a regular "Joe" is reporting them. I don't think the mods take it upon themselves to ban someone just because they disagree with the post or poster (maybe they do I really don't know).

That being said I think if you have to resort to ignoring people or taking it a step further and reporting people in the vs forum of all places then you really shouldn't be in there posting.

Their is some adult conversations that go on but nothing that I have seen that I would consider to be over the line offensive.

I hope you get this straightened out or at least get a set of guidelines so you know where the "line" is and can figure out how to toe it.

#3 mykevermin

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:21 AM

the rules are not being enforced uniformly whatsoever.


Speaking specifically of the vs. forums, I wholeheartedly agree with this point. Enforce it consistently there, or not at all.
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#4 Clak

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:08 AM

I've actually been testing the theory about how the rules are applied and I agree as well. Trolls are trolling like trolls tend to do, and nothing gets done when we report it. When I think back to some folks who visited vs and were banned (that Sgtwhateverthehell guy), then I see doh, RvB, and camoor banned, I can only assume that someone thinks they were as deserving of it as that guy was, and whatever they did to get banned could not possibly have been as bad as what he was doing. Temp ban or not, it's ridiculous. Even more so when I know for a fact that some threads are basically hands off when it comes to the rules, they aren't enforced at all it seems.

If you want to ban someone, ban Temp for trolling us whenever something about guns gets posted.The guy only comes in long enough to shit on the thread and duck out immediately afterwards.
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#5 ID2006

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

There definitely seems to be a strong discrepancy in moderation on that forum.

#6 Confucius

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

guys, when you get banned, the mod who does the banning never identifies him/herself right?

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#7 slidecage

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

your lucky zynga does not run this site...

picked up 20 bucks to play their games last year.... money never goes into my account so i go into their forums and go i never got my in game cash

2 hours late i get a email saying i got a lifetime banned from their fourms for saying that...

stupid thing is all you have to do is make up another name and Post in their fourms again (did this 3 times LOL)
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#8 Strell

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

your lucky zynga does not run this site...

picked up 20 bucks to play their games last year.... money never goes into my account so i go into their forums and go i never got my in game cash

2 hours late i get a email saying i got a lifetime banned from their fourms for saying that...

stupid thing is all you have to do is make up another name and Post in their fourms again (did this 3 times LOL)


Just quoting this to show that it was indeed said in this topic.

guys, when you get banned, the mod who does the banning never identifies him/herself right?


We prefer to keep things clandestine here at the 'ole CAGhole.


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#9 Javery

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

Do people really take things seriously enough to tattle to a mod? It's just anonymous internet ramblings! Just ignore that person if you don't like what they are saying. I mean, I don't agree with dohdough on pretty much everything but when I saw he was temporarily banned I felt a little sad inside. :cry:

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#10 mykevermin

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

Do people really take things seriously enough to tattle to a mod?


indeed they do.
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#11 Clak

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

Somebody does, I can't imagine any of the mods would just take it upon themselves. Then again, I could be wrong about that.
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#12 Jruth

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

For the record I didn't report you. That's pussy shit and I hope we can all agree.

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#13 mykevermin

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

Well, I don't use the word "pussy," but otherwise sure.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

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#15 metaphysicalstyles

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

Any clue as to which mod did the ban? I have my suspicions...
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#16 Confucius

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

I got banned for a week during Sandy. My crime? I said, in very raw words, that the people who didn't heed the governor's warning to evacuate their towns, were selfish and putting other people at risk.

Now, for all the things I could be banned for, that seems silly. But I have no idea who banned me. It seems like for something like that, as opposed to spam or racial attacks or shit like that, that a mod could at least start a dialogue or identify himself.

If you're gonna ban someone, even if it's dohdough(!), at least let them explain themselves. I guess identifying yourself is a little too much to ask? I dunno. Seems fair to me.

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#17 The Crotch

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

Setting aside the present state of the political debate subforum...

I've been saying for ages that this place should have some manner of "banned user graveryard", like so many other forums. Teamliquid has one, as well as a greasemonkey script to make it easier to navigate and a thread devoted specifically to rubbernecking. SA has its Leper's Colony, which you should fuckin' see the day after an election, holy shit. The Escapist doesn't have one, but it modifies every single post by the banned person with a link to the post that they were banned for.

Now, I imagine that a CAG equivalent would be a lot more boring than those examples. Far more "generic spambot" and less "you are a worthless human being please never return to this website". But it would still serve its purpose. For the average user, it would sate their curiousity when they see someone they recognize suddenly banned and they know not why. For the mods, they can use it as a giant, "Hey, you see this? You see what that guy did back there? Don't fucking do that." sign.

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#18 skiizim

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

I got banned for a week during Sandy. My crime? I said, in very raw words, that the people who didn't heed the governor's warning to evacuate their towns, were selfish and putting other people at risk.

Now, for all the things I could be banned for, that seems silly. But I have no idea who banned me. It seems like for something like that, as opposed to spam or racial attacks or shit like that, that a mod could at least start a dialogue or identify himself.

If you're gonna ban someone, even if it's dohdough(!), at least let them explain themselves. I guess identifying yourself is a little too much to ask? I dunno. Seems fair to me.


Stop lying, you and IATCG were having a public love affair and it got a little steamy. =P

#19 Confucius

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

Stop lying, you and IATCG were having a public love affair and it got a little steamy. =P


No, the mods loved that. Those saucy bastards.

@crotch - that lepers colony thing is pretty neat. I have zero idea what the hell any of the posts on somethingawful mean though.

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#20 Clak

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

There really is a lack of openness here. Mods take an action and nobody knows why, not even sure the banned member knows sometimes. Seems that sometimes people get banned just because the mod who finds the post doesn't like it themselves, never mind any rule against it. And the worst part is that they've seen this thread and are hiding in the shadows as usual.
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#21 ID2006

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:27 AM

Now I'm expecting a plot twist.

#22 dohdough

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:04 AM

SA Forums has the most transparent system I've seen. Suspensions and bans require a regular mod to submit and a super mod to approve along with an explanation, which is all viewable in the user's profile and all linked to the offending post. Banned members also don't have their existence completely wiped from the forums, unlike some users here. If slidecage was ever banned, I'd still like to be able to go back and have a chuckle at the insanity. I don't have that luxury with gargus. edit: Point is that it would give others an explanation as to why.

After reading the pinned Tag Abuse thread, I can safely assume that they have their own private subforum to discuss these matters and that Cheapy isn't as hands-off as myke may think.

Edited by dohdough, 26 January 2013 - 01:22 AM.


#23 Trakan

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:05 AM

There really is a lack of openness here. Mods take an action and nobody knows why, not even sure the banned member knows sometimes. Seems that sometimes people get banned just because the mod who finds the post doesn't like it themselves, never mind any rule against it. And the worst part is that they've seen this thread and are hiding in the shadows as usual.


I'm not hiding from anything. The Vs. forum is mostly an un-moderated forum, compared to the rest of the site. I usually leave it be, but I've seen some of the shit that is said in that forum from reported posts, and I don't blame any mod for temp banning people for it. Temp bans are usually handed out on a per-moderator basis. When I temp ban someone, I do have the option of showing them the reason, and I do. I will warn the user either in the thread or via PM before I do so though.

After reading the pinned Tag Abuse thread, I can safely assume that they have their own private subforum to discuss these matters and that Cheapy isn't as hands-off as myke may think.


Correct. Cheapy and us mods discuss everything in a private subforum. As I mentioned above, most temp bans are dealt with by a single mod, but we discuss permanent bans before any action is taken.

#24 mykevermin

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:32 AM

don't get me wrong, I never pointed to one person and said so-and-so is hands off. Historically, the vs. forum was very, very, VERY "hands off" in regards to mods. That's clearly changed, and that's fine. That's what I meant - that particular subforum, not this mod or that.

I don't think anyone is saying <whichever ban is being discussed> should not have happened. I simply think people would like (a) explanations consistently given and (b) equal enforcement. (b) in particular, because it appears that some users get special treatment in those forums, and despite being obnoxious trolls, they get no sanction ever.

All I would like to see is equity; transparency is nice, but the former is more important.
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#25 dohdough

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:29 AM

I'm not hiding from anything. The Vs. forum is mostly an un-moderated forum, compared to the rest of the site. I usually leave it be, but I've seen some of the shit that is said in that forum from reported posts, and I don't blame any mod for temp banning people for it. Temp bans are usually handed out on a per-moderator basis. When I temp ban someone, I do have the option of showing them the reason, and I do. I will warn the user either in the thread or via PM before I do so though.

Firstly, thank you for making an appearance, especially as a mod, to give some insight. This actually clears a lot of things up in regards to some of the mechanics of bans and the nature of moderating Vs. Us regulars all know that mods are mostly hands-off in Vs. except for extreme cases and that's been relatively consistent since I've been a member, but this has changed.

The main issue I have is with the bolded because while there's a reason, it's still anonymous and from who I've seen disciplined, there's just a complete lack of consistency especially in Vs. For instance, there have been about a handful of permanent bans last year that mostly consist of super racist trolls that decide to try and turn it into Stormfront over the course of a couple of days that get banned, yet you have someone like halo4/05(?), who's offense was calling them out for what they were, getting banned as well. On the another hand, you have other trolls that don't go whole hog and passive aggressively troll for years.

For a long while, posts were just pulled and edited, but no bans, temporary or otherwise. I know for a fact that before I was even a member, when there were a bunch of CAG's that just couldn't get along, they were all told to put eachother on ignore and if they directly addressed eachother again, there would be permanent bans, but at least this was a two-way street. Lately, all I've been seeing is one way (temporary) bans with no warnings whatsoever. I also know for a fact that I'm being targeted by one particular CAG and he's probably targeting a couple others. Why this particular CAG doesn't receive any scrutiny or reprimand is beyond me.

Correct. Cheapy and us mods discuss everything in a private subforum. As I mentioned above, most temp bans are dealt with by a single mod, but we discuss permanent bans before any action is taken.

Glad to know there's a protocol. Just for clarification, each mod has the power to temp ban someone and it's up to each individual mod's discretion, right? I'm assuming that there are specific mods per subforum.

pseudo edit: I agree with mykevermin in that transparency would be nice, but equitable enforcement is far more important.

#26 RedvsBlue

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:39 AM

On the Lately, all I've been seeing is one way (temporary) bans with no warnings whatsoever. I also know for a fact that I'm being targeted by one particular CAG and he's probably targeting a couple others. Why this particular CAG doesn't receive any scrutiny or reprimand is beyond me.


So, are you thinking this is the same CAG as last time?

#27 skiizim

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:54 AM

^---That's why you shouldn't leave the sanctity of the Lego thread. =P

I think anybody that has visited vs. knows who it is. >_<

#28 Trakan

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

Just for clarification, each mod has the power to temp ban someone and it's up to each individual mod's discretion, right? I'm assuming that there are specific mods per subforum.


Yeah, each mod can temp ban and it's up to the individual. All the mods look over all forums. There's no forum specific mods.

#29 RedvsBlue

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:36 PM

^---That's why you shouldn't leave the sanctity of the Lego thread. =P

I think anybody that has visited vs. knows who it is. >_<


Yeah, I had a pretty good sense that I knew who it was. I confirmed on PM with dohdough that I was correct. That CAG is notoriously absent from this thread which only further fits with his passive aggressive nature. We also have a pretty good sense of which mod has been on a ban-happy trip. For obvious reasons that conversation will stay on PMs.

#30 ShockandAww

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

Yeah, each mod can temp ban and it's up to the individual. All the mods look over all forums. There's no forum specific mods.


Can all mods at least see all bans? Not like it would change if not, but it should work that way just to keep people in check if necessary.