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#331 davo1224

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

I'm pretty sure Bruno is just at the point where he realizes his time here on Earth might be up soon and it's best for him to be remembered the way he wants to be. Same exact deal with Bret, except Bret has far too much ego.

That and HHH doesn't let his hubris get in the way of a good manipulation. Vince is all about the "grapefruits" whereas I can easily see HHH spouting off some BS just to say that he was the one who got Bruno to come back.

I'm extremely cynical about the whole situation since I've seen it too many times with Foley, Bret, Sable, etc.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:13 PM

JR wrote up a solid blog on Bruno and what he means to the business. Pretty good read explaining how Bruno was pretty much THE face of the northeast until Hogan. His inclusion in the HOF is impressive considering he's largely turned his back on the business in the last 20 years.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

Some people just aren't cut out for the wrestling business. I don't mean the physicality or acting of it, just the sleaziness of it. The back stabbing, the double standards, getting outright screwed over just because you can be. It'd be like working with a pit of snakes every day.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

JR wrote up a solid blog on Bruno and what he means to the business. Pretty good read explaining how Bruno was pretty much THE face of the northeast until Hogan. His inclusion in the HOF is impressive considering he's largely turned his back on the business in the last 20 years.


Find it below. Good Stuff.

The Bruno Sammartino video package, as I tweeted earlier in the day @JRsBBQ, I expected to be heavy duty and it was. Bruno's career IE body of work will never be replicated in today's marketplace within the genre. An eight YEAR run ON TOP in the #1 territory in the world is unfathomable if one gives that accomplishment any serious, intelligent thought. Students of the game 'get it' while squeaky wheel, attention seeking, Keyboard Warriors simply want to be defiant while refusing to acknowledge the career of a man like Bruno. Instead of celebrating a legit legend getting a WWE HOF nod after years of waiting by his long suffering fans and who, just recently, overcame philosophical differences with WWE, many who follow me on Twitter used Bruno's induction announcement as another vehicle to drive ad nauseam the Macho Man HOF questions of the day.

Really?

I realize that there is a generation gap as it relates to many fans between Bruno and Savage, even though their careers actually overlapped, but these are two separate entities with two, separate agendas. Older fans and fans especially those who had family growing up in the Northeast United States revere Bruno who was considered a "Sports God" to his fans. Bruno was just as big a celebrity as any professional athlete in the NE on any team during the Italian strongman's heyday....and still is to an entire generation of fans.

I can simply tell you that when I got in the business in 1974 that the goal of virtually every wrestler that I knew was to get booked in WWWF aka WWE and if said wrestler was a villain the ONLY goal was to get your 'run' with Bruno which guaranteed that one would earn big money. A few months run with Sammartino in WWWF would be more money than most wrestlers would make in a year of territory wrestling.

I recall how happy General Scandar Akbar was to get the WWWF call and leave the Oklahoma territory on occasion to go to the WWWF TV's and destroy some willing souls as Ak prepared for his title challenge against the Living Legend. Unfortunately, Bruno was severely injured against Stan Hansen and the Bruno vs. Akbar rivalry never happened.

Cowboy Bill Watts career as a legit main eventer was validated by Watts tag teaming with Bruno in the WWWF and Watts subsequent turn on his partner which resulted in Cowboy Bill Watts headlining Madison Square Garden vs. Bruno in only Bill's third year in the business. Bruno liked Bill and they sold out MSG three times versus each other in the 60's which was unheard of at the time as usually a talent only got 1-2 shots vs Bruno in the Garden.

It cannot be overstated how big it truly is for Bruno Sammartino to be inducted into the 2013 WWE Hall of Fame which makes this class, even if he was going in solo, the best WWE HOF class ever in my humble opinion and that includes my own class in 2007. I pray for good health so that I can join my Pittsburgh wife and attend the most special of nights, April 6, 2013 when the Steel City's own Bruno Sammartino once again sells out MSG but this time, I'm assuming, he will go on last which is something that the main eventers never did back in the day at MSG.

The potential projects that Bruno can be involved with in the future with WWE are virtually limitless and his mere presence adds massive credibility to what ever project is being marketed. I hope that I get to work with the Living Legend on something in the future. It would be a great honor, I assure you, for this fan who grew up not seeing Bruno wrestle but instead by reading the monthly, pro wrestling magazines which allowed my imagination to carry me from Westville, Oklahoma to far away arenas thanks to the photos that were utilized and the intriguing copy that accompanied the memorable photos. Bruno Sammartino was to pro wrestling what John Wayne was to western movies...the ultimate hero who always overcame the odds by doing things the old school way.



When I was younger, Bruno lived about two miles from me before I moved. I'd occasionally see him at the the grocery store and whatnot. I never said anything to him, but it was kind of surreal knowing who he was and what he'd done.

#335 HydroX

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

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Why? It's an okay figure, but nothing I would buy right away

Miss Elizabeth is in the set and apparently she's incredibly rare.. 1 per every 16 figures.. $35-$40 is the going rate on eBay and Amazon


I'm a huge HBK fan, and I have been slowly buying some of the Attitude-era figures (I only have Bret Hart, Diesel and HBK). Plus I absolutely love how great of a job Mattel did on the HBK tights.

Miss Elizabeth is only in case set B, which is apparently only available in Target stores as of right now -- if they even got their cases yet. Walmart is getting case set A for right now, which has everyone in it except for Liz.

#336 pitfallharry219

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

Is there a Ryback figure out yet? My friend's son has been going crazy wanting one.

#337 Vulcan2422

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

Is there a Ryback figure out yet? My friend's son has been going crazy wanting one.



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#338 HydroX

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:18 PM

Is there a Ryback figure out yet? My friend's son has been going crazy wanting one.


Not yet, but soon. If you find one be sure to pick it up, because people will be scalping the hell out of them on eBay and Amazon once they are released. Hell, ringsidecollectibles is already charging $29.99 for the basic version, and $39.99 for the Elite version -- both due out in April/May.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:30 AM

I haven't liked a line of wrestling figures since the WWF Hasbro line. Every series since then has been serious hit or miss. If it's not a horrid head "scan", it's an awful body mold. The female figures have it the worst, I have seen maybe two that looked like actual women, the rest look like Taker's ex-wife with facepaint.

And then there's the issue of articulation. This doesn't apply to the Hasbro figures obviously but if you are going to pose or showcase or hell even let someone play with a figure (gasp!), shouldn't it be able to, you know, move his legs? The last 3-5 years of figures make Hogan look like a member of Cirque du Soleil by comparison.
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#340 HydroX

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:39 AM

I haven't liked a line of wrestling figures since the WWF Hasbro line. Every series since then has been serious hit or miss. If it's not a horrid head "scan", it's an awful body mold. The female figures have it the worst, I have seen maybe two that looked like actual women, the rest look like Taker's ex-wife with facepaint.

And then there's the issue of articulation. This doesn't apply to the Hasbro figures obviously but if you are going to pose or showcase or hell even let someone play with a figure (gasp!), shouldn't it be able to, you know, move his legs? The last 3-5 years of figures make Hogan look like a member of Cirque du Soleil by comparison.


The Mattel elite line of figures is pretty legit. Some head scans are off, but most are spot on. Articulation on the Mattel elite line isn't an issue, either. You might be referring to the basics, which are god awful.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:57 AM

With TNA Impact Wrestling taking their show on the road, WWE has began contacting a number of major arenas to put holds on them for future dates. At least one person within WWE thinks that if TNA begins going on the road every Thursday, WWE may need to change their touring schedule to Thursday, Friday and Saturday for at least one of the brands.

There is internal talk that WWE will put some arena dates on hold to make sure TNA doesn't get into them. WWE also may be enforcing some of their non-compete clauses so TNA can't run in the same buildings they do.

WTF? I thought they didn't see TNA as a competitor but they're pulling this crap. Sounds like they're treating arenas like talent. So if they "future endeavor" an arena, does mean they can't compete for another promotion for 90 days?

Kinda reminds the WCW/WWF days, since there towns where certain arenas would be exclusive to one promotion. Like the arenas near me, where one was where all the WWE stuff happened, while the other was used by WCW & ECW when they were in town.

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#342 neocisco

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:43 AM

I remember the first time I saw a WWF show advertised for The Omni in Atlanta. It just blew my mind. The equivalent would have been WCW doing a show in MSG.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:59 AM

If competition really matters to you, keep your money in your pocket and don't go when WWE comes to town. Go see TNA when they do.

there are enough venues in the US, TNA will be fine. Still makes WWE pigdogs for shying away from direct market competition.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:14 AM

I'm a huge HBK fan, and I have been slowly buying some of the Attitude-era figures (I only have Bret Hart, Diesel and HBK). Plus I absolutely love how great of a job Mattel did on the HBK tights.

Miss Elizabeth is only in case set B, which is apparently only available in Target stores as of right now -- if they even got their cases yet. Walmart is getting case set A for right now, which has everyone in it except for Liz.


This shit is why I gave up on collecting figures. Don't see why they can't just make a reasonable amount so anybody who wants one has a decent shot without having to resort to Ebay or sites like Ringside Collectibles and their overinflated prices
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#345 no_chocobo

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:17 AM

there are enough venues in the US, TNA will be fine.


I'd imagine that TNA would be targeting smaller venues than WWE anyway, nothing looks worse on TV than an empty arena.
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#346 Vulcan2422

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:52 AM

I must say, Naomi has got some talent. Enjoyed watching her on Main Event.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:11 AM

I'd imagine that TNA would be targeting smaller venues than WWE anyway, nothing looks worse on TV than an empty arena.


There's ways to squeeze people in the right place. TNA should offer low ticket prices for starters - get people in the habit of going to their shows. "TNA is in town? *Of course* I'm going!" Travel costs will likely be helped by running two shows in a row every other week. Emphasize the interactive nature of their shows (photos w/, meet and greet, etc.). Emphasizing fan involvement is a must, and promotion as well. TNA ran a show here a few months ago and I didn't know about it until a few days later.

After all this time, after all their mistakes, I still want to see TNA succeed, I want to support them - I want there to be competition. So if they come around, I'll go. But they need to grow fans, they can't rely on people who are already invested in and follow wrestling to be their only fan base.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:12 AM

If competition really matters to you, keep your money in your pocket and don't go when WWE comes to town. Go see TNA when they do.

there are enough venues in the US, TNA will be fine. Still makes WWE pigdogs for shying away from direct market competition.


Yup. I didn't go to Raw this past Monday but it's a pretty safe bet that I'll go to another TNA show when they come back through. There are multiple venue options in the metro Atlanta area, not just Philips Arena. Even WWE in the past has optioned to not use Philips and go to Gwinnett Arena instead.

I absolutely love the changes TNA has been making this year. Less PPV's, making the remaining ones actual events. Now sending Impact out on tour starting after Lockdown, another strong improvement. The Impact Zone is great for a TV studio, but in the end it's still a TV studio (with a large portion of it's audience being freebies).

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#349 axlrose4183

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

I think TNA should run the venues ECW did or the type of venues like WCW would use for Sat night tapings.. the ones that hold 2-4k people, if those are still even around. I know I used to go watch them in Rome and Dalton GA back in the day and also in Montgomery, Al at their civic center.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:16 PM

There are multiple venue options in the metro Atlanta area, not just Philips Arena.


World Congress Center, yo. We ran the WFTDA Championships there last November. One of the convention halls could work for a TNA taping with the right lighting. Ain't gotta have a 15K seater if you're drawing 3-5K.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

If competition really matters to you, keep your money in your pocket and don't go when WWE comes to town. Go see TNA when they do.

there are enough venues in the US, TNA will be fine. Still makes WWE pigdogs for shying away from direct market competition.


I feel awful for saying this, but I mainly stayed away from WCW programming because it made me feel...dirty. I know this might make zero sense to some, but back when I was younger I viewed it as the evil wrestling company because it was owned by a billionaire who kept stealing away wrestlers that I liked.

Now the shoe is on the other foot. I have watched WWF (WWE will never sound okay with me) for so long that I feel like a traitor for wanting to watch TNA. It's sad that WWF has been doing just about everything in their power to make me want to give up and switch. Some of the "top stars" there bore the ever-loving shit out of me, no matter how talented they are.
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#352 HydroX

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

On a semi-positive note, Punk's promo this past Monday was pretty damn good. I normally cringe when the show starts off with a promo and fast forward it to 15-20 minutes in, but I'm glad I didn't. But yeah, I just watched/fast forwarded through the Hulu+ version of RAW, it's all I can tolerate. Yeesh.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

Totally fake but kinda neat. This would never fly in WWE.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:36 PM

WWE booked a "hold" on the Wolstein Center at Cleveland State University for later this year. That IS the smaller venue in Cleveland, holding around 7-8K rather than the 16K Quicken Loans Arena holds. It's the venue WCW used to run Thunder and Nitro in - brilliant if WWE is going to book the second tier and leave the bigger arena that TNA obviously won't fill.

TNA house shows run approximately 1500 attending - it'll be weird to see them in anything resembling an arena.

#355 HydroX

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

TNA ran a house show at the Coca-Cola Events Center in OKC when they were here last time. It was no bigger than my old high school gym.

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#356 pitfallharry219

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

It's not like this is anything new from WWE. They've been doing TV from small towns, where Vince won't even allow the announcers to say what town they're in. I think attendance is just down for them. I think it also helps that they're trying to screw over TNA in the process.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:37 PM

WWE booked a "hold" on the Wolstein Center at Cleveland State University for later this year. That IS the smaller venue in Cleveland, holding around 7-8K rather than the 16K Quicken Loans Arena holds. It's the venue WCW used to run Thunder and Nitro in - brilliant if WWE is going to book the second tier and leave the bigger arena that TNA obviously won't fill.

TNA house shows run approximately 1500 attending - it'll be weird to see them in anything resembling an arena.


To be fair, they've run the Wolstein Center instead of the Q the past few times they've come to town; iirc the last two times I went one was in the Q (Unforgiven) and one was at Wolstein (Smackdown taping, maybe?).
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#358 Ultimate Matt X

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:57 AM

Good to see some Cleveland talk in here, any locals going to AIW tomorrow night?

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:31 AM

World Congress Center, yo. We ran the WFTDA Championships there last November. One of the convention halls could work for a TNA taping with the right lighting. Ain't gotta have a 15K seater if you're drawing 3-5K.


Also Cobb County Civic Center which ECW did some shows in. I went to an ECW show in Rome like pimpster mentioned and an indy show in Rome and they both did well. Both are north of the metro area but still accessible. Rome in particular is a good small-medium venue for wrestling.

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#360 axlrose4183

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:52 AM

North GA has a good wrestling fan base.. the convention center in dalton draws good crowds.. might be the rome folks going also since it's so close. Chattanooga would probably draw good too.

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