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#1111 jza1218

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 10:36 PM

All that considered, I'm very happy the Yankees signed him. He's a huge improvement over what they have had at catcher the past several years, and it's not a contract that cripples the team long-term. Honestly, it's not a great contract for McCann, since it will expire as he's about to turn 35 and no one will want to go near him at that age. Maybe that's why he's getting $17M a season...but who knows what other teams were offering.

 

As a player, I think I'd be much more inclined to take less dollars annually and get more years out of a deal. That's the problem with Cano right now. He's older than McCann...and is trying to gouge both money and years.

 

I actually think it's a great contract for McCann. A catcher who's been playing fewer and fewer games each year and who gets hurt very often getting a five-year deal with that much money plus a vesting option, he should be ecstatic. Honestly, I'd be surprised if he doesn't retire when his contract is up.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 01:15 AM

All that considered, I'm very happy the Yankees signed him. He's a huge improvement over what they have had at catcher the past several years, and it's not a contract that cripples the team long-term. Honestly, it's not a great contract for McCann, since it will expire as he's about to turn 35 and no one will want to go near him at that age. Maybe that's why he's getting $17M a season...but who knows what other teams were offering.

 

As a player, I think I'd be much more inclined to take less dollars annually and get more years out of a deal. That's the problem with Cano right now. He's older than McCann...and is trying to gouge both money and years.

That's true enough. Plus RF in Yankee Stadium will help boost his power numbers, and being in the AL will allow him to DH or play 1B more frequently than he'd have been able to in Atlanta.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 07:45 AM

I actually think it's a great contract for McCann. A catcher who's been playing fewer and fewer games each year and who gets hurt very often getting a five-year deal with that much money plus a vesting option, he should be ecstatic. Honestly, I'd be surprised if he doesn't retire when his contract is up.

 

That's a good point. And if he is thinking that way, then good for him. I'm just not used to players being realistic about how many more good years they have left in them, lol.

 

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 02:01 AM

Yankees sign Ellsbury...7 years...meaning he will be 38 when that deal is up...yeah...wonderful...



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 03:16 PM

Yankees sign Ellsbury...7 years...meaning he will be 38 when that deal is up...yeah...wonderful...

That's an awful lot of money to be paying for only a good player. Could have brought Grandy back for a lot less money and fewer years. As a lifelong Yankee fan I'm at a loss for words. Not sure what they were thinking. :headache:


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:47 PM

Yeah, makes zero sense to sign an injury-prone outfielder with speed as his greatest asset to a 7 year deal that will carry him into his late 30s. Absolute best case scenario, by the end of the deal, he's just an average outfielder playing out the string. Worst case, he doesn't even make it to the end of the contract.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:49 PM

To make things better, the Yankees go from Robbie Cano to...Kelly Johnson! Yankee fans must be thrilled.

EDIT: All a part of Brian Cashman's checklist.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 05:43 PM

To make things better, the Yankees go from Robbie Cano to...Kelly Johnson! Yankee fans must be thrilled.

EDIT: All a part of Brian Cashman's checklist.

Kelly Johnson makes sense. He is insurance in case Cano leaves and can also play 3B in case Arod gets suspended.  Plus, by signing Johnson you are forcing Cano's hand a bit. My guess is the Yankees sign him for 7 years $180M.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 06:08 PM

At this point, I think the Mariners break the bank and pay at least 200M to Cano. 

 

I'm also curious what this means for Shin Soo Choo. I know the Rangers traded away Craig Gentry, which may have opened up the door to signing Choo, though I'd like to see Micheal Choice get the starting job in left field. Was a really good trade for the Rangers.

 

At this rate, the winter meetings are going to be really boring if everyone is off the table. 


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:12 PM

Granderson is talking to the Mets.  Ugh.  Don't want.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 12:27 AM

Yeah, makes zero sense to sign an injury-prone outfielder with speed as his greatest asset to a 7 year deal that will carry him into his late 30s. Absolute best case scenario, by the end of the deal, he's just an average outfielder playing out the string. Worst case, he doesn't even make it to the end of the contract.

 

I just don't know how the Yankees don't look at Ellsbury and see a player they already have...Brett Gardner. It's like Johnny Damon all over again. Maybe it'll work out, but I'll be surprised. The first thought was Gardner would be traded...but apparently the plan is to put them 1 - 2 in the batting order. I don't know. I don't see it...but maybe Cashman will strike gold. It's happened before.

 

And I'm very happy about the Kelly Johnson and Brendan Ryan signings if for no other reason than to get Eduardo Nunez the Fuck out of the Bronx, lol. I always used to hate how the Yankees never gave their young players a shot at making the team, but that guy has had a ridiculous amount of chances to stick around thanks to all the injuries, and he's terrible on almost all fronts. I'd rather not see Ryan and Johnson both being everyday starters...but as insurance and depth, those are great moves.

 

I can't believe how many new position players tha Yanks have grabbed already: Ellsbury, McCann, Ryan, and Johnson. Half the damn team is going to be new at this rate, haha.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 12:34 AM

I just don't know how the Yankees don't look at Ellsbury and see a player they already have...Brett Gardner. It's like Johnny Damon all over again. Maybe it'll work out, but I'll be surprised. The first thought was Gardner would be traded...but apparently the plan is to put them 1 - 2 in the batting order. I don't know. I don't see it...but maybe Cashman will strike gold. It's happened before.

 

And I'm very happy about the Kelly Johnson and Brendan Ryan signings if for no other reason than to get Eduardo Nunez the Fuck out of the Bronx, lol. I always used to hate how the Yankees never gave their young players a shot at making the team, but that guy has had a ridiculous amount of chances to stick around thanks to all the injuries, and he's terrible on almost all fronts. I'd rather not see Ryan and Johnson both being everyday starters...but as insurance and depth, those are great moves.

 

I can't believe how many new position players tha Yanks have grabbed already: Ellsbury, McCann, Ryan, and Johnson. Half the damn team is going to be new at this rate, haha.

I hope we get a SP and I want Cano for a reasonable price. That said Ellsbury's contract is still awful. I do think he's a better player than Gardner but not $100M better. At this rate I don't even want to think what Trout will cost a few years from now.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:43 AM

I treat enters free agency in his age 26 year (which he should if he is smart), he could be the first 300 million dollar contract. That is, if Kershaw doesn't get that first. I'd gladly pay 30 million dollars a year for Mike Trout on my team.

 

Also, this day seems really boring after all the shit that happened yesterday, haha.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:48 AM

I just don't know how the Yankees don't look at Ellsbury and see a player they already have...Brett Gardner. It's like Johnny Damon all over again. Maybe it'll work out, but I'll be surprised. The first thought was Gardner would be traded...but apparently the plan is to put them 1 - 2 in the batting order. I don't know. I don't see it...but maybe Cashman will strike gold. It's happened before.

 

And I'm very happy about the Kelly Johnson and Brendan Ryan signings if for no other reason than to get Eduardo Nunez the Fuck out of the Bronx, lol. I always used to hate how the Yankees never gave their young players a shot at making the team, but that guy has had a ridiculous amount of chances to stick around thanks to all the injuries, and he's terrible on almost all fronts. I'd rather not see Ryan and Johnson both being everyday starters...but as insurance and depth, those are great moves.

 

I can't believe how many new position players tha Yanks have grabbed already: Ellsbury, McCann, Ryan, and Johnson. Half the damn team is going to be new at this rate, haha.

If Ryan starts, the Yankees will have an awesome defense. Ellsbury and Gardner make for an elite OF.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:49 AM

I really cant see how the Yankees get a good deal with Ellsbury, 7 years is just way too long given his injury history.  Id be surprised if he makes it 5 years honestly.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:03 AM

The Ellsbury contract might be fine. Ichiro was excellent through his age 37 season, and Ellsbury has similar abilities (his power advantage makes up for Ichiro's superior bat control).

 

Two of his injuries were from collisions, it's not like he's torn several ligaments in his legs and has torn muscles or anything. Moving forward, I'm much more concerned by Matt Kemp's injury history than Ellsbury's. Plus, Boston is one of the worst parks in baseball for left-handed power, and he's going to the very best park in the game for that. It's not saying too much to suggest he can hit 15-20 HR a year while playing for the Yankees.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:29 AM

If Ryan starts, the Yankees will have an awesome defense. Ellsbury and Gardner make for an elite OF.

 

True...but I don't know that the Yanks have enough pitching for it to matter. They're basically begging Kuroda to not retire. That pretty much says it all, lol. I'm fine with having a lineup of contact hitters. I'd honestly prefer it to the "wait for the 3 run homer" garbage. But I don't know if scoring 2-3 runs is enough to win a game with this pitching staff. Even Sabathia is a question mark at this point.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:57 AM

The Ellsbury contract might be fine. Ichiro was excellent through his age 37 season, and Ellsbury has similar abilities (his power advantage makes up for Ichiro's superior bat control).
 
Two of his injuries were from collisions, it's not like he's torn several ligaments in his legs and has torn muscles or anything. Moving forward, I'm much more concerned by Matt Kemp's injury history than Ellsbury's. Plus, Boston is one of the worst parks in baseball for left-handed power, and he's going to the very best park in the game for that. It's not saying too much to suggest he can hit 15-20 HR a year while playing for the Yankees.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 05:11 AM

If Ryan starts, the Yankees will have an awesome defense. Ellsbury and Gardner make for an elite OF.

I doubt Gardner is a Yankee this year. Soriano will start in left, and Gardner does not have the offense or the arm to play right. If they can, I suspect the Yankees will try to shop him around and get an innings eater for the 5th spot in the rotation.



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 04:46 PM

The Mariners signed Cano for 10 years/240 million. This will work for maybe 3-4 years before he starts declining and then it becomes probably the worst contract in baseball. Also, this doesn't really make Seattle a threat to either Oakland or Texas atop the division.

 

EDIT: And it appears the Mets have signed Curtis Granderson.


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 06:00 PM

I wish the Phillies made that Granderson signing.  It sounds like a decent deal.  But no, we have Marlon Fucking Byrd.  The Cano signing is shit on top of shit.  And I'm reading the Mariners are still pursuing Cruz, Beltran and Choo.  When did they become the Angels/Dodgers?



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 06:48 PM

Good for the Yankees for letting Cano walk. 10 years is ridiculous at his age. If the Yanks ever want to get away from these albatross contracts, it had to start here. I just hope Ellsbury doesn't become one anyway. Can't wait to see what the team does with that Cano money now though. Time to go shopping!

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 08:25 PM

 And I'm reading the Mariners are still pursuing Cruz, Beltran and Choo.  When did they become the Angels/Dodgers

Well before Cano, Hernandez was the only player with a large contract.

 

I don't like the signing to well, but I see why it was done.

 

Hopefully having a big name in the lineup/ on the team will lead to other players willing to come and play in Seattle.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 01:40 AM

I wish the Phillies made that Granderson signing.  It sounds like a decent deal.  But no, we have Marlon Fucking Byrd.  The Cano signing is shit on top of shit.  And I'm reading the Mariners are still pursuing Cruz, Beltran and Choo.  When did they become the Angels/Dodgers?

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 01:57 AM

Well before Cano, Hernandez was the only player with a large contract.

 

I don't like the signing to well, but I see why it was done.

 

Hopefully having a big name in the lineup/ on the team will lead to other players willing to come and play in Seattle.

Well yeah, but teams like the Mariners don't make huge signings like that, was my point.  They're going to need some other heavy hitter in that lineup because opposing pitchers might as well walk him every AB.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 04:23 AM

Good for the Yankees for letting Cano walk. 10 years is ridiculous at his age. If the Yanks ever want to get away from these albatross contracts, it had to start here. I just hope Ellsbury doesn't become one anyway. Can't wait to see what the team does with that Cano money now though. Time to go shopping!

Were you hoping they'd give Beltran $45 million over three years with that Cano money?


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:00 AM

Well yeah, but teams like the Mariners don't make huge signings like that, was my point.  They're going to need some other heavy hitter in that lineup because opposing pitchers might as well walk him every AB.

Well, I think his signing was with hopes that it brings someone else to Seattle. Having a high profile player aside from Felix might have others thinking signing with Seattle would be ok.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:02 AM

Were you hoping they'd give Beltran $45 million over three years with that Cano money?

 

I don't understand why teams think Beltran is still worth that kind of money. His numbers were solid last year...but in the NL. I'm glad it's only a 3 year deal...but I would have felt much better if it was 2 years and a team option. It's definitely a reactionary signing...and at this rate, the team will have an outfielder for every position, lol. Gardner is without question gone now though.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 03:59 PM

ESPN decided that we all want more Curt Schilling and decided to stick him in the booth.

He has to have something on the exec's in Bristol because he stinks. They should have fired him after the season and brought back Bobby V.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:17 PM

Doc Halladay is calling it a career. Press Conference is supposed to happen later today per MLB Network Radio.


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