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#1 ShockandAww

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:05 PM

4/25/13 Update: Always online required to function rumors persist so who knows. I guess we can only hope to find out on May 21st.

I emailed Paul Thurrott asking him about the online requirement and he responded: "I'm saying we need to wait and see what Microsoft officially says about this requirement/functionality. It's not what the conspiracy theorists believe."
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4/10/13 Edit/Update: Looks like the online requirement may be for it's companion backwards compatibility device (a new Xbox 360 mini?) only and the "no used games" rumor may be false and also stemmed from the add-on/new device, which may not have a disc drive (hence no used games...). http://www.vgleaks.c...x-roadmap-2013/
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Note these are just rumors as usual nothing concrete. All of it's coming to Edge from an unnamed source.

The article says that the next Xbox will require an internet connection to function. Also says that games are believed to come with an activation code, and will have no value beyond the initial user.

Frankly I don't believe it. Would MS really be this dumb to kill the entire used game market? They may want to, but to actually do it like this? I don't believe it. Maybe they will do something closer to what happens now and force a game code activation to be bought for $10 or so for a used game, but to end them all together?

Also always online? Always, in order for it to "function"?? I don't believe it.

If Sony doesn't go down this road it's going to be an automatic win for them in the next generation imo. The backlash against MS would be massive and instant. The entire linked article is basically screaming don't buy an Xbox next gen because it sucks.

Now maybe Sony is going down the same road though. In that case it could really really hurt the entire industry.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

It is easy. Any console that does either of these 2 things and I am not buying. I have plenty of games this generation left to play and I may be jealous of some of the new games but I will still be entertained. They are going to be their own worst enemy if they do this. Why buy a "nextbox" if you have a library of 600+ games in HD that are going to cost you $20 or less? I see big problems if they choose this route.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

Also always online? Always, in order for it to "function"?? I don't believe it.

I think this is a security measure to slow down or prevent piracy. Having the next xbox not fully function offline will mean everything you do will be monitored by MS which allows them to reproduce exploits and patch them quicker.

#4 ShockandAww

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:33 PM

It is easy. Any console that does either of these 2 things and I am not buying. I have plenty of games this generation left to play and I may be jealous of some of the new games but I will still be entertained. They are going to be their own worst enemy if they do this. Why buy a "nextbox" if you have a library of 600+ games in HD that are going to cost you $20 or less? I see big problems if they choose this route.


I'm in the same boat if MS does it. Will not buy unless the console is like a dollar or something. If Sony also does something like this, I probably will still buy a PS4 but certainly not day one, or even year one. I'd wait until there was a large library of games I really wanted and could get at discounted prices. Until then I'd be fine with my PC and PS3. And by that time PC would almost certainly be well ahead of the consoles and I'd just buy a new PC over a PS4 anyway.

There's no way in hell I'd buy either if they do this and continue the $60 games trend. There'd just be no reason to when there's services like Steam or just PC games in general which you can almost always find cheaper than their inferior console versions.

Anyway like I said the article just comes off as completely anti MS. Like someone who knows exactly what everyone does not want, and then decided for some reason to say that all those things are happening. I just don't believe it's all true. It's either some Sony fanboy trying to rile people up, or someone trying to force MS to comment on next gen.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:33 PM

I couldn't have said it better myself cancerman1120. I will pick whatever one that has neither of these two things also, it would really shoot xbox in the foot because the core-gamers are a huge percent of the money made and they use the resale market as a reason to buy a game at release. If both Sony and MS both do it I will probably start pc gaming, I never like it as much as console but compared to the other options I would have to get used to it.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:36 PM

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:36 PM

If Sony doesn't go down this road it's going to be an automatic win for them in the next generation imo. The backlash against MS would be massive and instant. The entire linked article is basically screaming don't buy an Xbox next gen because it sucks.

Now maybe Sony is going down the same road though. In that case it could really really hurt the entire industry.

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Remember Sony's patent from a few months back...the one that would effectively kill used games through the use of a "tag" of some sort either on disc or included with disc? At least Sony's solution wouldn't mandate an online connection.

If Sony/Microsoft kill used games, that's one less plus they'll have over PC games. I get a good controller, and the switch to PC only won't be that hard.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:41 PM

Well, I guess if both companies are doing something like this, I'm done with "modern" gaming. They can Fuck right off with that shit.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

Whoever doesn't go this route in the next generation is getting my purchase.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

How many Xbox 360 owners have their consoles online? 50-60%? There are something like 70 million Xboxes sold and 40+ million Live accounts (I think the last time I saw a stat was some time in 2012). Of course that's not an exact comparison because multiple people can game on the same console, and some users have bought multiple consoles. But say it's roughly 60%.

No way in hell Microsoft is excluding 40% of their existing customer base before the generation even starts. Just no way.

The used games thing? Maybe. I doubt it, but at least it's remotely conceivable.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:52 PM

Well, O guess if both companies are doing something like this, I'm done with "modern" gaming. They can Fuck right off with that shit.


This. If it's all in the name of "stopping piracy," they need to step back and compare how much money they'd be saving by a crusade against piracy and how much they'd lose when customers tell them to Fuck off, and see if they offset.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:53 PM

I don't see why Microsoft would do this. Microsoft games don't use online passes and their main IPs sell so well in their first week of sales that the used market doesn't really effect them at all. They don't need to cater to third parties because without the console manufacturers EA or Activision wouldn't exist.

Also I don't think it would be that big of a backlash if this were true. There is no used market on PC yet there are plenty of gamers who buy PC games at full price. And games like Diablo III prove that making a game online only that doesn't really need be isn't gonna to effect sales much. Gamers will complain on forums before release like they always do about stuff like this but the developers know that these people are in the minority.

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#13 ShockandAww

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:54 PM

Remember Sony's patent from a few months back...the one that would effectively kill used games through the use of a "tag" of some sort either on disc or included with disc? At least Sony's solution wouldn't mandate an online connection.

If Sony/Microsoft kill used games, that's one less plus they'll have over PC games. I get a good controller, and the switch to PC only won't be that hard.


Yeah they've had patents for quite some time. Even before PS3 came out I think. Hopefully they aren't going to actually put them to use. Or at least nothing so restrictive as this.

Also Jack Tretton has said he's against blocking used games and called it anti-consumer. Hopefully that is still the case. Even so he clarified that his Japanese counterparts may not feel the same. Meaning we could see it regardless of how he feels (or says he feels) about it.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:54 PM

Sony PS4 will take the same to no use of used games feature. Not sure why you all are against this (maybe because this site is for "Cheap Ass Gamers"). It's already in parctice... EA have that code you have to enter in-order to play online multiplayer. Steam games are tied to your account and you can't resell.

IMHO - I believe the price of the games will be reduce down from $60 to entice buyers when the new consoles comes out. Only this way it will support the "no used game" feature. Let's get rid of use game sales companies (e.g. - GS)!!! Also, don't forget... digital download is the future.

The always "online" features is also in practice too. Your PC is always connected online (hence you pay for ISP). Your cable box is always online (unless you really do power it off).

The only thing that I hope for is these new consoles will be backward compatible. I missed alot of good games on my old consoles that I haven't played.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

Sony PS4 will take the same to no use of used games feature. Not sure why you all are against this (maybe because this site is for "Cheap Ass Gamers"). It's already in parctice... EA have that code you have to enter in-order to play online multiplayer. Steam games are tied to your account and you can't resell.

IMHO - I believe the price of the games will be reduce down from $60 to entice buyers when the new consoles comes out. Only this way it will support the "no used game" feature. Let's get rid of use game sales companies (e.g. - GS)!!! Also, don't forget... digital download is the future.

The always "online" features is also in practice too. Your PC is always connected online (hence you pay for ISP). Your cable box is always online (unless you really do power it off).

The only thing that I hope for is these new consoles will be backward compatible. I missed alot of good games on my old consoles that I haven't played.


I am not sure you understand what always online means. Not every PC game has always on DRM. What the hell does cable TV even have to do with this.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

No used gaming = no buy from me. And I buy upwards of 25 brand new games a year.

I've got no qualms about using the money I would have used to buy a PS4 and an Xbox 720 to buy myself a nice ass computer. I prefer console gaming, but if they're going to take scummy, self-entitled business routes like this, I'll switch in a heartbeat. I'll pirate their shit too.

#17 ShockandAww

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

Sony PS4 will take the same to no use of used games feature. Not sure why you all are against this (maybe because this site is for "Cheap Ass Gamers"). It's already in parctice... EA have that code you have to enter in-order to play online multiplayer. Steam games are tied to your account and you can't resell.

IMHO - I believe the price of the games will be reduce down from $60 to entice buyers when the new consoles comes out. Only this way it will support the "no used game" feature. Let's get rid of use game sales companies (e.g. - GS)!!! Also, don't forget... digital download is the future.

The always "online" features is also in practice too. Your PC is always connected online (hence you pay for ISP). Your cable box is always online (unless you really do power it off).

The only thing that I hope for is these new consoles will be backward compatible. I missed alot of good games on my old consoles that I haven't played.


Personally I'm against it for a lot of reasons. A few:

I think it will be bad for the industry. Many people do not have the income to afford only new games, or don't have the option to always be online with their consoles.

Even someone like myself will not give a new ip much of a fair chance at full retail price because I don't want to feel like I've thrown my money away if I decide I don't like it. And now I can't even get part of my money back by reselling it? I just won't buy it to begin with.

As for Steam games, you can pretty easily find them cheaper than the console versions. And they're usually better to top it off. Like I said I'd just play Steam/PC games and ignore a console that goes down the no used games or always online road.

Also pirates won't be happy and will be constantly attacking the damn things, which may or may not be effective.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

I was talking about this months ago when the Sony patent thing came out with a manager at Gamestop. He said at the time that Gamestop wouldn't even carry the system or new games if they went the route with the activation codes. Not sure how likely that is to happen, but if it does, I guess I better figure out what I'm going to do with my remaining $600 in Gamestop credit...probably enjoy tons of 360/PS3/Wii U games.

I won't say I'll never buy into a new game-only system, but it sure as hell wouldn't be for more than a year so the games have a chance to drop in MSRP to $20-$30. If they think I'm paying $70 for every new game (assuming it'll cost that now), they are seriously misguided.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

Part of me thinks that they're doing this just to see how far they can push the boundaries of limiting content and usage rights by consumers. Companies have been getting away with some real shady crap with DLC, so I guess it's not too far fetched to limit used games.

Whatever the case, I don't think this will fly with consumers but I also don't think that will stop Sony and MS from trying. I've got hundreds of games left to play from this and prior generations, and the Wii U's upcoming line up looks pretty tempting. I can pass on the PS4 and Xbox 720.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

Even someone like myself will not give a new ip much of a fair chance at full retail price because I don't want to feel like I've thrown my money away if I decide I don't like it. And now I can't even get part of my money back by reselling it? I just won't buy it to begin with.


Seriously, they better have full games, not demos, available for extended periods of play at kiosks at stores for people to try out.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

Part of me thinks that they're doing this just to see how far they can push the boundaries of limiting content and usage rights by consumers. Companies have been getting away with some real shady crap with DLC, so I guess it's not too far fetched to limit used games.

Whatever the case, I don't think this will fly with consumers but I also don't think that will stop Sony and MS from trying. I've got hundreds of games left to play from this and prior generations, and the Wii U's upcoming line up looks pretty tempting. I can pass on the PS4 and Xbox 720.


I honestly think it will push up the value of some current gen games. Good luck getting Xenoblade Chronicles now :)

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:17 PM

I honestly think it will push up the value of some current gen games. Good luck getting Xenoblade Chronicles now :)


If both consoles do this then I won't even bother buying a console until I already have a stack of AAA games I paid $10 or less for.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:20 PM

If both ideas were implemented by both companies, I'd seriously consider jumping into PC gaming.

If only one company does it, I'll buy the other console.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:20 PM

I'm not willing to believe this yet. It really reads like a "What are the worst things Microsoft could possibly do" list that the Sony Defense Force put together.

If it is all true, I'd imagine there are details we don't know yet that will lessen the blow these policies will have. For example, the no used games thing likely has a "but ..." somewhere in the details. It will probably turn out to be some sort of option that publishers could choose to implement if they wanted to.

I'm waiting for official announcements until I'll believe anything on the PS4 or X720.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

I feel like we should flood Microsoft and Sony's forums and websites with posts condemning this business practice.

I wanna know if this shit is real or not so I can stop saving my money on what could be worthless bags of shit passed off as next-gen consoles.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

I'm not willing to believe this yet. It really reads like a "What are the worst things Microsoft could possibly do" list that the Sony Defense Force put together.

If it is all true, I'd imagine there are details we don't know yet that will lessen the blow these policies will have. For example, the no used games thing likely has a "but ..." somewhere in the details. It will probably turn out to be some sort of option that publishers could choose to implement if they wanted to.

I'm waiting for official announcements until I'll believe anything on the PS4 or X720.

Normally I would agree as far as rumors go, but the Sony patent application along these same lines was no rumor. Was mentioned months ago with XBOX too. It's just coming up too many times to completely dismiss anymore.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

I am partly concerned about the talk of a "new xbox live". Does that mean the old xbox live is being replaced? What would that mean for achievements or online play? I know paying for Gold is a touchy subject on CAG but if they start messing with Gold for 360 owners after the new system comes out I will be unhappy.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:36 PM

I don't buy these either because they are terrible ideas. Always online sounds feasible because yes, so many people have broadband internet but even still, not everybody does. There are still many people that don't have access or if they do, they don't have it set up for wireless so they cant be online all the time. It's just a really easy way to eliminate a significant number of buyers.

The used game thing would also tie into this because I assume if there is some code, you will have to be online to enter it. Totally killing used games I am more likely to believe but even that sounds like BS.

I am really starting to think game companies are throwing these rumors out there because they are testing the public perception. They are seeing how far consumers are willing to bend on these things.

We screwed up when we so readily accepted project $10 dollar. I think that was the first foray into seeing how pliable we are to this type of change. The majority went along with it without a fuss and now they are pushing more and more to eliminate used games all together.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:41 PM

Hey look EA found out that pushing micro-transactions is not always in the best interest of the game. I really do hope if they decide to try and kill used games that gamers revolt. It seems EA has seen at least a little bit of light on the issue. They are still having DLC mind you but cutting back on the BS stuff.

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