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#211 waldo21212

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:25 AM

Always online is needed due to pirates.

I don't know why people are getting mad over it. If you guys want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who pirate games.


Fuck over paying customers with shitty DRM in order to attempt to stop people who would have never paid anyway and will still find work a rounds and still won't buy games. Seems like a good idea right?

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:28 AM

Always online is needed due to pirates.

I don't know why people are getting mad over it. If you guys want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who pirate games.


This may be the most ridiculous response. Making things harder for paying customers to eliminate some nonpaying customers who were never going to pay you anyway is so anti-consumer it is laughable. The onus should not be on the consumer. It is the problem of the provider and making a shit sandwich and telling consumers to eat it since they cannot find peanut butter and jelly is wrong. It will backfire and consumers will reject it eventually.

Would you be ok if a store frisked you every time you left a store since they are trying to prevent shoplifting? They could right? Would people shop there much? Most likely no.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:29 AM

Fuck over paying customers with shitty DRM in order to attempt to stop people who would have never paid anyway and will still find work a rounds and still won't buy games. Seems like a good idea right?


Plus it's a giant copout. Pirates vs legit owners isn't even close. The biggest region for piracy is China, and IIRC, much of it stems from a ban on videogame imports and that's the only way they can get games there since there is no legal way to do so.

Maybe MS and all of the other big companies should work on the Chinese gov't, try to open a new market and have millions of new customers. But no, let's just do this instead.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:29 AM

I would never go for this because I know Microsoft is not going to discount games the way Steam does.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:42 AM

Always online is needed due to pirates.

I don't know why people are getting mad over it. If you guys want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who pirate games.

Piracy will always find a way, they are just making it more fun for the hackers. Look at the Russian versions of SCII and Diablo III.

The only way to stop piracy is to move the entire (or majority of the) processing task to the cloud, like what Onlive used to do.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:01 AM

Plus it's a giant copout. Pirates vs legit owners isn't even close. The biggest region for piracy is China, and IIRC, much of it stems from a ban on videogame imports and that's the only way they can get games there since there is no legal way to do so.

Maybe MS and all of the other big companies should work on the Chinese gov't, try to open a new market and have millions of new customers. But no, let's just do this instead.

I don't believe this move could possibly be geared towards China, it does not make business sense, since they won't be able to sell their consoles there regardless of what they do to stop piracy.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

It's a rumor people. Please get mad after any announcements/explanation of their motive. And if you don't want whatever it is after the announcement then enjoy your PS4.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

It's a rumor people. Please get mad after any announcements/explanation of their motive. And if you don't want whatever it is after the announcement then enjoy your PS4.


It's a rumor with some relatively reliable sources backing it up though. So it's most likely true unless MS back pedals and remove this "feature" in the final console.

As for getting mad after the fact, that doesn't make much sense to me. I'm "mad" now because there's a good chance that it will happen. Even if there was a very small chance, I'd think people should be mad sooner rather than later so that ideally MS could see the reactions and react accordingly. I know in reality that probably won't happen and it's probably too late, but if nothing else I still get to say I told you so (to MS) if they fail next gen.

And wait for an explanation for their motive? Come on now..

#219 ShockandAww

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:40 AM

This entertaining fellow sums things up

and here's his follow up video also well worth the watch (thanks to Neogaf for posting)

and one more video on consumerism and such

to hufferstl - At the end of the second video (starting at 4:15) he explains why we should all be mad right now, and not later.

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#220 David Hibiki

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:28 PM

He is also acting which is part of his job, at least in the first video.

People are still over reacting to RUMORS. Wait till MS shows something themselves. If people think this outrage is bad wait a few years (whether It's 10,15, or 20+) when Sony takes down content server side that you can't re-download (or the 360 for that matter if the 720 isn't backwards). it's just another reason I'm glad Steam is around and that the digital content for consoles isn't looking hot at all.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:31 PM

It's a rumor people. Please get mad after any announcements/explanation of their motive. And if you don't want whatever it is after the announcement then enjoy your PS4.

Usually rumors are dispelled after a while and not have people who work for you confirm them.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:32 PM

Always online is needed due to pirates.

I don't know why people are getting mad over it. If you guys want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who pirate games.


Always online doesn't stop pirates. They will find a way to pirate things no matter how many hurdles you throw at them.

It's why the makers of Witcher basically went DRM free and said "Go ahead, pirate if you want to.".

#223 hufferstl

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

Usually rumors are dispelled after a while and not have people who work for you confirm them.


The entire system is a rumor right now.

From what I read, that guys said "always on", not "always online". Those are different things.

I just think that people need to react to fact and not rumor. People are acting buthurt about a product that doesn't even have a name yet.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

Glad to see the guy was fired. Hope he enjoys unemployment.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:25 PM

The entire system is a rumor right now.

From what I read, that guys said "always on", not "always online". Those are different things.

I just think that people need to react to fact and not rumor. People are acting buthurt about a product that doesn't even have a name yet.


The full rumor is that the system will require an internet connection to start games. Can't change that through wordplay.

Better to react early to rumors while there's still a chance, however small, that they could realize it would be a bad idea.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:50 PM

I don't think this will happen, for now at least
If always online is implemented on consoles I'll go back to my pc
No used games wouldn't really impact me since I pretty much always buy new, but I have a right to be able to resell anything I paid for, I can do it with pretty much anything else; lets see phone and TV manufacturers implement "one owner, no used merchandise" (I know it's not the same but just to go to the hyperbole)
Used game restrictions could also impact those of us who don't really buy used games... would it be linked to the system? to my live account?
As for always online on PC, sooner or later every single game with that features as been cracked by the community to allow offline play.
Worst case scenario, I'll still be able to play what's on pc EVEN if I have to pirate the games.
I sometimes feel that little by little they are pushing the boundaries of what we consider acceptable, online passes, first DLC, or DLC thats actually already on the disc but you have to pay to unlock it are terrible unjustified anti-consumer ideas that we have all learned to live with, its only a matter of time until they figure what else can they shove down our collective throats

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:35 PM

I just think that people need to react to fact and not rumor. People are acting buthurt about a product that doesn't even have a name yet.

I don't see any logical reason to wait in this case. Care to explain? Good luck.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:49 PM

I don't see any logical reason to wait in this case. Care to explain? Good luck.


Again, until this feature is announced and explained, I don't see the point in adding fuel to the fire when nothing is concrete yet. It all seems like a waste of energy.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:59 PM

Again, until this feature is announced and explained, I don't see the point in adding fuel to the fire when nothing is concrete yet. It all seems like a waste of energy.


This is the internet, it's all about wasting energy; it's not like we're curing cancer here or solving world hunger...

#230 ShockandAww

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:09 PM

Again, until this feature is announced and explained, I don't see the point in adding fuel to the fire when nothing is concrete yet. It all seems like a waste of energy.


Hypothetically let's say that people complaining now does end up making Microsoft change their minds about requiring always online. Would that be a waste of energy? Personally I think it'd be well worth the "effort". It'd help both consumers and MS in the long run imo.

Now the other possibilities would be that 1) they don't listen and include it anyway or 2) They were never going to do this to begin with.

If 1, then good luck to them I suppose. I won't support it and hopefully others won't or if 2) You may be right and it may be a waste of energy, but to me it makes no sense not to take that "risk" in case they are in fact planning to include always online.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

You know what would make Microsoft change their mind even faster - If no one bought it. Hopefully soon, Microsoft announces their plans and we can put this issue to bed.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

Glad to see the guy was fired. Hope he enjoys unemployment.


Fired? Where did you read that?

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:23 PM

He is also acting which is part of his job, at least in the first video.

People are still over reacting to RUMORS. Wait till MS shows something themselves. If people think this outrage is bad wait a few years (whether It's 10,15, or 20+) when Sony takes down content server side that you can't re-download (or the 360 for that matter if the 720 isn't backwards). it's just another reason I'm glad Steam is around and that the digital content for consoles isn't looking hot at all.

Well, this isn't all about the digital content expiring. It's the possibly of blocked used games, not being able to play in rural areas, and being charged gold memberships to play a single player game, etc. etc.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:24 PM

You know what would make Microsoft change their mind even faster - If no one bought it. Hopefully soon, Microsoft announces their plans and we can put this issue to bed.

Everybody will still buy it, they know that, that's why they have the balls to do it.
Everybody was up in arms about EA doing microtransactions on $60 games, but still they made plenty of profit off of this "new" idea.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:32 PM

There are people that are willing to get Nextbox knowing they have to pay for live so they can have their achievement/friend list/gametag. Also very little impact on their core user base, people who mainly use it for COD/Halo/Madden online.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:38 PM

I do think MS takes a hit though. I do most of my gaming on the 360 and I won't buy an "always on" box that limits used games. I will stick with what I have currently and as long as the PS4 remains what they have advertised I will eventually get that. It is just a bad idea to shut an entire device down if it loses an internet connection. Why would I want any device that stops working the minute I am disconnected. Hell my old iPhone still works as an ipod and itouch even though I do not get phone service through it. Imagine if Apple made it so the entire device was useless without cell service. Just a bad bad idea.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:24 AM

Always online is needed due to pirates.

I don't know why people are getting mad over it. If you guys want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who pirate games.


I disagree. Pirating 360 games is not an issue, imo. Why should I get mad at a pirate? They got to play SimCity and Diablo III on Day 1 release, good for them. Get mad at the publisher for doing this shit. DRM hurts paying (full price paying, even) customers. Your "always online" iPad, iPhone, etc, that that dumb guy mentioned on twitter, still plays games when not online, *shocked*.

They want always online for 2 other reasons imo:

1. The $10 used game pass. It's an extension of the $10($15 in some cases) online pass that you all (gaming community) gave in to, good job. "We need it to pay for the servers, boo hoo" Ya ok then why am I paying for GOLD? To watch Netflix? Hahahahahaha, TV/other does it for free. Oh, and Arkham City was a single player game, good one.

2. Advertisements. They want those ads to be updated every second and littered all over your dashboard.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:24 AM

Well, this isn't all about the digital content expiring. It's the possibly of blocked used games, not being able to play in rural areas, and being charged gold memberships to play a single player game, etc. etc.


1) Gamestop is "excited" for the next xbox. Seems like used games will still work, or Gamestop is getting money somehow.

2) Rural area? DEAL WITH IT /meme

3) Gold memberships to play single player... what?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:20 AM

Everybody will still buy it, they know that, that's why they have the balls to do it.

Yep I'm scared that the people thinking this way are right, but hoping they're wrong.

We've allowed for the most part the season passes and the on disc DLC and the online passes and the shoe horned multiplayer and whatever other garbage we got this gen, but I think always online or no used games will be the straw/s that break the camels back. I just don't think people are going to accept either one if one console does it and the other doesn't.

Who knows. It's going to end up being a good test for my faith in humanity I think :)

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:23 AM

Always online doesn't stop pirates. They will find a way to pirate things no matter how many hurdles you throw at them.

It's why the makers of Witcher basically went DRM free and said "Go ahead, pirate if you want to.".


The harder it is, the less likely people are to do it.

The only ones who still would are losers and people who couldn't afford the game anyways.

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