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CAGcast #315: PS4 and So Much More!


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#31 actripxl

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:51 PM

I'm pretty shocked so many people are down on this announcement. I'm not a fanboy either way as I have owned at one point all of the consoles (yes, even Wii U), but I think IF Sony can keep their promises this generation they will have a better chance this generation at succeeding. This isn't E3, so I don't get why so many people feel let down from this event. Either way, I'm excited. I am one of the few who has enough bandwidth to be able to actually stream games, so if they can really pull that feature off I will be very pleased.


Notice how these "gamers" that are down on the conference only have XBL gamer tags or if they have a PSN one as well its really low (trophy count). Its confirmed that the PS4 will play used games but you have one Xbot playing with semantics on the first page to continue putting doubt on this "feature". Major Nelson had a really lame ass tweet about the PS4 not being shown, if he was so sure of HIS product why did he "attack" the most insignificant thing of last nights conference.

I avoided everything till last night and I was really pleased with the features shown, as for the games they look really good for 1st gen games on a system and with time still to go.

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Can't wait for the next Uncharted and Halo on my next-gen systems!


#32 usickenme

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:08 PM

Besides the flood of news stories... CAGcast is the only gaming podcast out today talking PS4 stuff that I subscribe to (nothin from giant bomb, Rebel FM, Weekend Confirmed...). Tip o' the hat to you semi-informed entertainers for educating my ear holes.


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#33 trip1eX

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

What sucked about the PS4 announcement is Sony didn't show any exciting fresh new experiences.

Same sht we are playing. And in some cases the graphics weren't all that better looking. We even saw press the square button to end the misery of this press conference message on the screen in some game footage. Yawn. Ok it might have said something different.

Yes Sony showed off features that make the gaming experience more convenient. Nice, but 'tis icing on the cake. And not the cake we were came for.

The hardware specs are fine. But is this a selling point any more in the age of Apple? IT is about the whole experience. Specs were great when we saw massive leaps in graphics and gameplay. Now? Seems all we are getting is slicker looking worlds while the rest of the game world still feels semi-retarded.

But the good news is the system is still 9 months away from launching and we are probably a good 2 years from having the "real" games show up for it. HOpefully, for Sony, the best is yet to come.

Still, Sony should have waited until a human being could personally show off all the features they talked about on stage. Show me why I need a touchpad on my controller. Show me what is so great about the resume feature or my controller glowing blue or the camera. Show me what all this power will do for me. And make the 2 hr event an event. Not 2 hrs of dragging out something they could have put into a short press release with a picture of the controller.

And have someone at the company that is actually into the product show this stuff off.

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#34 Thomas96

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:43 AM

The episode was fine. We've stooped much lower in the past.


I think this one was the lowest.
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#35 mrx001

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:51 AM

And they wonder why they aren't invited to events.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:52 AM

I think this one was the lowest.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:54 AM

I was actually more interested in hearing about the Eagles documentary. It's too early for me to feel any excitement for the PS4; I still have enough PS2 and PS3 games to get to in my backlog.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:08 AM

Notice how these "gamers" that are down on the conference only have XBL gamer tags or if they have a PSN one as well its really low (trophy count). Its confirmed that the PS4 will play used games but you have one Xbot playing with semantics on the first page to continue putting doubt on this "feature".


In what way was my post anti Sony? Just because I only have an Xbox gt?

Did you read the article? If so, how can you not suspect there is something they are not saying?

So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, I asked, you're not going to stop them reselling it?


"Aaaah," was Yoshida's initial answer, but seemingly only because he'd forgotten his line. "So what was our official answer to our internal question?" he asked his Japanese PR advisor. The advisor stepped in but didn't seem to answer clearly, at least to my ears. Yoshida then took control again firmly:


"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

I said I thought that was fine.


If there are no strings attached to used game sales such as a re-license fee, why not just say "yes" to the first question?

But you can't answer that without taking off your rose colored glasses, it is easier to just spout "herp XBOT derp" like an over-sensitive console warrior.

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#39 encendido5

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:00 AM

I'm about an hour into the show and thought you guys did a good job covering the press conference. I was actually looking to hear a podcast on it and was glad to see you guys cover it. To be honest, I'm not that excited about the new gen. The PS3 still looks plenty good to me, and like somebody mentioned, the PC can pretty much show those types of graphics.
By the way cheapy, you go on for minutes sometimes talking about your watch this movies and you cut cut off poor wombat when he was clearly excited about it.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:01 AM

Avid listener of the CAGCast, just never post here.

The problem with Diablo 3 is they screwed up the formula. The removed stat and skill points, and removed the "fun-ness" of creating tons of different classes with different builds. Also, the online auction house is a disaster. I could go throw in Diablo 2 today and probably still create a character build i have yet to do. Torchlight 2 is actually a lot more like Diablo 2, and stays true to the old formula.

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#41 Dr Mario Kart

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:18 AM

There have been 3 HD consoles prior to now, each one losing between ~2 and 4 BILLION dollars across the life cycle. Nintendo saw this and decided that they wanted in on that. They abandoned two wildly successful machines in the DS and Wii, and their financials have been in the toilet ever since. They wanted to get back into the power race and thought they could compete with Sony and Microsoft on a budget. They deserve pretty much everything they have coming to them this cycle. Nintendo still has $7-8 billion cash on hand from the ~$15 Billion they made just from '08 through '10. They could've certainly made a more serious entry into the HD market if they really wanted to. This would've been crazy its own way, but that boat has sailed.

	   Sony		    Nintendo	      Microsoft	        Total
Y/E 1998 $902,811,090 $1,023,333,867 $1,926,144,957
Y/E 1999 $1,102,563,557 $1,301,350,000 $2,403,913,557
Y/E 2000 $722,738,949 $1,368,207,547 $2,090,946,497
Y/E 2001 [COLOR="Red"]-$449,776,290[/COLOR] $677,576,000 $227,799,710
Y/E 2002 $629,101,056 $895,872,180 [COLOR="Red"]-$1,135,000,000[/COLOR] $389,973,237
Y/E 2003 $935,569,253 $834,333,333 [COLOR="red"]-$1,191,000,000[/COLOR] $578,902,586
Y/E 2004 $627,195,212 $993,161,303 [COLOR="red"]-$1,337,000,000[/COLOR] $283,356,515
Y/E 2005 $419,888,799 $1,056,056,202 [COLOR="red"]-$539,000,000[/COLOR] $936,945,001
Y/E 2006 $69,129,058 $774,478,055 [COLOR="red"]-$1,339,000,000[/COLOR] -$495,392,887
Y/E 2007 [COLOR="red"]-$1,970,923,859[/COLOR] $1,914,666,388 [COLOR="red"] -$1,969,000,000[/COLOR] -$2,025,257,471
Y/E 2008 [COLOR="red"]-$1,079,994,103[/COLOR] $4,322,637,887 $426,000,000 $3,668,643,783
Y/E 2009 [COLOR="red"]-$664,313,787[/COLOR] $5,691,428,301 $169,000,000 $5,196,114,515

Y/E 10Q1 [COLOR="red"]-$413,541,667[/COLOR] $420,843,750 $312,000,000 $319,302,083
Y/E 10Q2 [COLOR="red"]-$653,333,333[/COLOR] $710,655,556 $375,000,000 $432,011,111
Y/E 10Q3 $210,629,750 $2,087,904,452 N/A N/A

Note: Both Sony and Microsoft have folded their gaming divisions in with other divisions and this chart is no longer being updated.

#42 htz

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

I'm rather indifferent about the PS4, the only game I'm interested in is Infamous other than that...meh. I don't really care social aspects, as I doubt I would ever use it. I also tend to take a lot of what Sony says with a grain of salt. This is the same guys who said the PS2's graphic would be on par with Toy Story. Sadly as of now, investors don't seem happy either.

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http://www.gamesindu...ses-on-ps4-news

Didn't it went up?


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Anyways it looks like the Xbox team was watching the event closely. I can understand Sony not wanting to unveil the box and more detailed information until MS show's what they got cooking. Kaz Hirai did say "Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?". Sony did a smart move by announcing the PS4 and not exactly showing it. Now devs and consumers can begin talking about it while MS is still as clueless as us about what Sony's technical specs are.

#43 bickle

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

Show Notes

0:00 PS4 announcement
2:45 Killzone
4:30 New controller
8:15 Media Molecule (?)
- bouncing around on PS4/PS Plus topics -
31:00 The Witness
33:15 David Cage
34:00 Deep Down (Dragon's Dogma 2)
35:45 Square-Enix Old Man demo
37:00 Watchdogs
40:00 Diablo III on PS3/PS4
47:00 Destiny
51:30 Show Feedback
51:30 - Backwards compatibility
53:15 Watch This: Skyfall (comparisons to Dark Knight)
57:30 - History of the Eagles
59:30 New Releases
59:30 - Crysis 3
59:45 - MGS: Revengeance
1:01:00 - Capcom Arcade Collection
1:02:30 - Serious Sam DDXL
1:03:00 - Generation of Chaos: Pandora's Reflection
1:06:30 March of the Eagles
1:07:00 January NPD's - WiiU and Vita
1:16:00 Vita TrialsHD clone
1:17:00 PS4 bundled with headset, sixaxis, lightbar, controller details
1:21:15 Harmonix stopping DLC for Rock Band 3

I'm surprised that Star Wars:1313 wasn't shown at the Sony event, considering how far along it is and it's obviously for the PS4/next Xbox.

#44 guardian_owl

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:55 AM

That's the first thing I thought too when you mentioned it at the top of the show, why try and talk about it before you had even watched the conference, but it ended up alright.

PS3 is a disaster? come on, perhaps your experience is colored by the growing pains at launch? I didn't purchase the system until after they had redesigned the XMB and have never had any problems finding anything.

If they end up launching first, then that will allow them more leverage to go pay-for multiplayer, launching the PS3 at such a higher price than the 360 and later means they were in catch-up mode and needed an competitive advantage.

The fact that they were trying to call so much attention to the changing sword interface on the Deep Down video made be think it was bullshit, that it was just a pre-rendered video that they were trying to pass off as gameplay. The game thing with that marionette band video, there's no way they were actually controlling that "live." They probably just animated it and then practiced mimicking the moves with the controller to make it seem like it.

That's just because Diablo 3 was awful, a link was pasted in the PS4 thread that summed up nicely the thesis that Diablo 3 was gimped with future release of consoles in mind.

I think you are seeing what you want to see in the whole "The Dark Skyfall" segment. They serve somewhat similar story functions, but their motivations, personality, and mannerisms are completely different. Also, a long shot of a person on a building wearing clothing flowing in the wind is a rip off of Dark Knight? really...because I'm pretty sure that existed before 2008.

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#45 casamh

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:31 AM

Yea, the PS3 disaster comment by Cheapy was ridiculous. The PSN outage was a disaster. The XBOX360 failure rate is a disaster. Maybe that's why they sell so many consoles. I'm on my third.
I wouldn't call the ps3 a disaster, I would call it a great console which millions of people enjoy. I found this episode to be one of the more negative CAGcasts I've heard, especially Shipwreck. I for one am excited about the ps4, and am excited to see how the new XBOX shapes up. You all should have some sex once in awhile, and you'll be in better moods. Well, maybe Wombat's good...he sounded pretty happy this show.

#46 itachiitachi

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:21 AM

The reason no one talks about Diablo 3 is it is a disappointment. There where plenty of people who where looking forward to D3 when it was announced. Then the people actually played and found out it really wasn't a diablo game but more of top down WOW for consoles being beta tested on PC's. There is still plenty of interest in the hack and slash genre, every one I know went back to titan's quest or on to Tourchlight after D3. Neither of those games fill the niche that D2 filled though.

Basically diablo 3 is the starwars episode 1 of video games.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:38 AM

I was listening to this episode while driving home and it was snowing pretty badly. All I could think of was if I crashed and died one of your voices would be the last thing I would hear.

Wombat, I just want you to know that if that had to happen, I would have wanted it to be your voice.

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#48 4nik8tor

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:10 AM

keep in mind that this was an announcement that the ps4 was officially on the way.
We'll hear much more about this in the months to come.


I personally don't care. Microsoft is seriously gonna have to pull a WiiU for me not to buy the next xbox.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:37 AM

You don't need to spend $30 on Diablo 3. You really, really don't. There's nothing there that you are missing. Just play Borderlands 2 some more or something. They both have awful loot and skill trees but at least the game is pretty and you can drive a car. And can cheat. Cheating in Borderlands is very satisfying. Playing Diablo 3 isn't.

Also what the Fuck is the point of PS+ if the PS4 can't play PS3 games?

#50 htz

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

Man responsible for Durango Leak to Kotaku was raided by FBI. Raid was requested by Microsoft which means the stuff he was leaking must be real.

Kotaku article discussing the leaked info for Durango.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

http://www.gamesindu...ses-on-ps4-news

Didn't it went up?


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Anyways it looks like the Xbox team was watching the event closely. I can understand Sony not wanting to unveil the box and more detailed information until MS show's what they got cooking. Kaz Hirai did say "Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?". Sony did a smart move by announcing the PS4 and not exactly showing it. Now devs and consumers can begin talking about it while MS is still as clueless as us about what Sony's technical specs are.



Except they released the specs, didn't they?

#52 htz

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

Except they released the specs, didn't they?


  • Main Processor: Single chip custom processor. CPU is an x86-64 AMD "Jaguar", 8 cores. GPU is an AMD next-generation Radeon graphics engine rated at 1.84 teraflops with 18 unified Compute Units.
  • Memory: 8GB GDDR5 with 176GB/s bandwidth.
  • Hard Drive: Built-in
  • Optical Drive (read only): BD 6x CAV, DVD 8x CAV
  • I/O: Super-Speed USB 3.0, Aux (for PS4 Eye)
  • Communication: Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T), IEEE 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1 (EDR)
  • AV Output: HDMI, Analogue AV out, optical digital audio output
^Those are the specs Sony has confirmed but the only concrete information is the memory, optical drive, I/O, communication, and av ouput. CPU and GPU are not specific enough to give MS much to go on.

#53 InvaderZim

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

Yeah... no desire for PS4.

I already have a PS3 and it fills my high def gaming needs and blu-ray requirements.

Like Nintendo, Sony will have a difficult time convincing the gaming public they need a new system.


#54 Blue Arcana

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

I hate the fucking Eagles, man

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#55 guardian_owl

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:54 PM

Also, something that could help with remembering the Ni no Kuni name is to just eschew it entirely and refer to it by it's subtitle, Wrath of the White Witch or Ni: Wrath of the White Witch.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:02 PM

I finally got to the point where Ni No Kuni rolls off the tongue and now you want to change it up? Thanks a lot.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:36 PM

Shipwreck said that the Dualshock 4's lightbar thing was what the 360 controller has now... no, it's not. The 360 controller's lights indicate what player you are, yes - but the Dualshock 3 already has this indication as well. There's 4 lights on the top of the controller (near L1) that indicate what player you are. This lightbar thing is something totally different. I think what Sony means is that the color will change based on what literal color your in-game character is or something. I don't know - it sounds unnecessary. I'm not defending the feature, I'm just saying that it's something the 360 does not have currently.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

I laughed when Cheapy pretty much dismissed Wombat watching a documentary about The Eagles. 'It's not obscure enough,' is what I imagined him thinking. Especially after he raved about Searching for Sugar Man not too long ago. 'The only movies I like are documentaries, obscure and depressing.'

#59 banodyne

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

Wombat was so proud of his Jetpack Joyride playing. It's like he wanted some sort of record or... What's the word? ...achievements! There is. It's free on Windows 8. http://www.xbox360ac...e/achievements/

#60 trip1eX

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

"You shouldn't care about games coming out. Just buy them when they are released and play them. You will be better off." - Confucius Cheapie in the month of February in the year 2013

So f'n true!