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#31 banodyne

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:29 PM

I Know alot of DC fans who pick up comics weekly and my comic shop as well that are excited for Injustice. It's ridiculous to get hung up on basically what counts as an Elseworlds tale. Plus superheroes fight each all the goddamn time, the first two or three issues of DC's stupidly overhyped new 52 Justice League had 2-3 issues of Batman, Green Lantern and Flash trying to take down Superman. In short, who cares!

And yes there is a HUGE difference in Scorpion's harpoon and Batman's grappling hook attack. Scorpion's dazes opponents and can be used to set up combo's, while Batman's just knocks opponents back.

When Batman can kick Doomsday through a building, you're doing it wrong. If you're going to make a DC Comics fighting game choose either human or superpowered superheroes. Mixing the two always comes off as silly.

Yes, Batman fights superpowered characters all the time but he doesn't try straight out punching and kicking the powerhouses. He usually has a plan that weakens them first.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:26 PM

The Disney/LucasArts thing continues to show that doing video game business with Disney is basically giving up because nobody makes it out alive. Black Rock Studios (Pure and Split/Second), Propaganda Games (Turok, Tron Evolution, and the cancelled Pirates of the Caribbean game), and Junction Point Games (Epic Mickey 1/2) have all seen their attempts to do more original games for the company lead to a shut down after a change in Disney's desire to become a legitimate publisher. The only developers I can see that are still around for Disney are Avalanche Software (Toy Story 3 and Disney Infinity) and Wideload Games (Stubbs the Zombie and Guilty Party), which both have had major restructuring with Avalanche getting another studios merged into them and Wideload Games has been restructured into a mobile game developer now making stuff like the Avenger Initiative. The acquisition of LucasFilm was pretty much the nail in the coffin for LucasArts, so them finally closing LucasArts was not a surprise to me at all.

The thing Cheapy overlooks in his praise of Rock Band DLC is how it puts everything else to shame in terms of backwards compatibility that nobody else really comes close outside of LittleBigPlanet costumes.

If Wombat doesn't like Injustice from the demo, I'm sure that he definitely wouldn't like the prequel comic that seems to be one of the dumbest comic stories ever, which is really saying something when comics constantly do dumb things.


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#33 Medium_Pimpin

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:11 PM

Regarding your conversation about sending your 3DS in for Credit, Shipping to and from Fufillment by Amazon Services is extremely cheap. One would need to pay a monthly fee based on size of inventory coming in/out but it's generally less than $1 shipping costs outgoing, incoming is even cheaper, although I'm not certain about off-site shipping locations. It is definitely worth their time even if they send a few units back to savvy consumers like yourself.

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#34 4thHorseman

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:24 PM

Loved the section about Batman/comics/Freeze.

But...little dork peeve.

Graphic Novel: Story told specifically for that format that is not released in single issues. Batman and Superman Earth One GN's are examples of this.

Trade Paperback: Collection of single issues. Walking Dead, Watchmen, and every other "Graphic Novel" that people enjoy but refuse to acknowledge they are comic books because the term graphic novel makes them feel more adult.

Anyways, Wombat, if you enjoyed Snyder's run in the New 52, you should pick up The Black Mirror he wrote before the New 52 reboot. Enjoyed that more as you don't have to ignore plot induced stupidity (from what I recall) and it's much darker. Though, I like Capullo's work more.


Also to Wombat (Sorry listening to the podcast and posting as I hear things): About the wanting a new DC game, did you hear the announcement of the DC Infinite Crisis MOBA game coming out? I know you're not a PC gamer, but would you be interested in that type of DC Game on consoles?

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#35 Wombat

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:11 PM

Also to Wombat (Sorry listening to the podcast and posting as I hear things): About the wanting a new DC game, did you hear the announcement of the DC Infinite Crisis MOBA game coming out? I know you're not a PC gamer, but would you be interested in that type of DC Game on consoles?


I think I am. I know it is early to say having not played the full game, but something about Superman & Batman, to me, I feel need to played with in an open world. They are vertical characters. Fighting games, even with layered levels still feel claustrophobic, in my opinion.

#36 Blue Arcana

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:23 PM

With a baby on the way, does it mean the end of the Donkey Kong Piano Room?

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#37 4thHorseman

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:43 PM

I think I am. I know it is early to say having not played the full game, but something about Superman & Batman, to me, I feel need to played with in an open world. They are vertical characters. Fighting games, even with layered levels still feel claustrophobic, in my opinion.


Agreed. I would love if Warner Brothers tried to give another Superman game a shot when the new movie is released. Since we haven't heard anything, I have my doubts of that happening, but there's always hope.

And still kinda upset we haven't heard anything more about the next Batman game especially since it's rumored to come out at the end of this year. Guess there's always E3...

#38 AlertTheJ

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:36 AM

Am I the only one that gets annoyed when Wombat says Mario?

#39 hunterny77

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:37 AM

I recall the short discussion the CAGcast had about podcasters Kickstarting new shows. I am kinda appalled by Jeff Cannnata's "finishing move" on the 3/22/2013 episode of Weekend Confirmed pimping his Kickstarter and asking for even more money. This guy's initial goal was 20K and is up to over 150K in funding and still wants more. Has the evil green monster syndrome set in on him? I know Wombat has his own show as well. What's your and Cheapy's take on "over funding" ?

#40 mwmike11

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:26 AM

Great show, wanted to chime in on a couple points.

Have the demo for Injustice, but haven't had a chance to play it, having been playing BioShock Infinite for a while, and honestly, I'm not at all looking forward to it. Just not a fan of fighting games in general. Would DEFINITELY prefer another Marvel Ultimate Alliance/X-Men Legends game.

In addition to the games already out I was looking forward to (DmC, Tomb Raider, BioShock Infinite), I'm DEFINITELY looking forward to Dragon Age III and LEGO Marvel. I'm a little concerned that Dragon Age III might not make it to current-gen consoles, but the fact that it is coming this year (per BioWare), I think it's a safe bet for 360/PS3, and possibly next-gen as well. Another one I have been getting a little more interested in is that Remember Me, though. Definitely seems like an interesting topic, though not sure about whether it is full priced-worthy or not.

Also, I think you forgot about some of the GREATEST LucasArts-published games: Knights of the Old Republic and Jedi Knight. Sounds like Raven at least hopes SOMEONE will snag the Jedi Knight license, as they released the source code for it, and I've long been hoping for a true Knights of the Old Republic III. Fingers crossed Disney will make the right choice...

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#41 DragoonKnight

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:03 PM

I recall the short discussion the CAGcast had about podcasters Kickstarting new shows. I am kinda appalled by Jeff Cannnata's "finishing move" on the 3/22/2013 episode of Weekend Confirmed pimping his Kickstarter and asking for even more money. This guy's initial goal was 20K and is up to over 150K in funding and still wants more. Has the evil green monster syndrome set in on him? I know Wombat has his own show as well. What's your and Cheapy's take on "over funding" ?


I think you are missing the point entirely. Jeff wasn't asking for more money because he wasn't satisfied with the amount he had already received. He was asking for more backers. He made it abundantly clear that even $1 was greatly appreciated because at that point the total number of backers was more important to the future success of his show. The total number of backers would be used to show the potential audience he would have and would hopefully encourage a company to invest in him.

Also, just because his goal was $20k doesn't necessarily mean that was how much he needed. Many Kickstarters set their goals lower than they realistically should be to ensure that they will receive funding with the assumption that they will receive more than that total.

#42 davucini

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:08 PM

Am I the only one that gets annoyed when Wombat says Anything?


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#43 Kazaganthi

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:51 AM

I cannot believe Amazon would not accept an Incredible device for trade in, for shame Amazon. No I didn't say Exceptional, Cheapy.


#44 hunterny77

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:59 AM

I think you are missing the point entirely. Jeff wasn't asking for more money because he wasn't satisfied with the amount he had already received. He was asking for more backers. He made it abundantly clear that even $1 was greatly appreciated because at that point the total number of backers was more important to the future success of his show. The total number of backers would be used to show the potential audience he would have and would hopefully encourage a company to invest in him.

Also, just because his goal was $20k doesn't necessarily mean that was how much he needed. Many Kickstarters set their goals lower than they realistically should be to ensure that they will receive funding with the assumption that they will receive more than that total.


Based on what you just said he may have asked for even just one dollar with the assumption he will receive more than just that dollar. I don't know if you are a Cannata fan or not. I do like Cannata for the most part. But, satisfaction had nothing to do with his requesting more backers or financial funding. I boils down to extra expenses that he has incurred on himself for stretch goals including guest host who may likely need to be paid per appearance.

I just feel that this whole Kickstarter movement treads on pyschology of fan manipulation. In so that fans want to get on the bandwagon and celebration. They want to have a sense of entering the fold and feeling like they are recognized by their idol. Hence, they contribute money sometimes extreme amounts to get this recognition i.e. (Cannata's $5000 pledge The backer gets all other rewards and wil be a guest on the show )(awesome!?) but pay your own airplane ticket dude.

Also in response to your statement, "The total number of backers would be used to show the potential audience he would have and would hopefully encourage a company to invest in him." My take on this is use people (fans) to make yourself even more money. Moreover, he actually was asking for more money.

Prey on those who adore you they will buy you what you want! It happens in all forms of interactions. Daughter manipulates dad for new car. Boyfriend manipulates girlfriend for new car. Kickstarter's project Initiator manipulates fans (supporters) for new car.

With that being said I am a proponent of capping the funding. Let the project initiator get what they need with itemized listing of where the monies will be allocated to. Stop the unnecessary stretch goals which will ultimately take money from your project total funding.

Edited by hunterny77, 07 April 2013 - 05:12 AM.


#45 teknikalei

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:10 AM

Shipwreck - could I buy your 3DS? I'm being totally serious. I'd give a fair price.

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#46 KaCeX

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:13 AM

Shipwreck did you watch GI Joe in 3D? Action scenes suffer from it IMO... similar to Thor in 3D

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

Shipwreck did you watch GI Joe in 3D? Action scenes suffer from it IMO... similar to Thor in 3D


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#48 detectiveconan16

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

Shame on CheapyD for not knowing the Universal monsters.

I particularly like the Frankenstein movies, as menacing as Karloff in the role of the monster is, the scientists give particularly great performances.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:33 AM

RIP Poppa Wombat er I mean Roger Ebert.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:41 AM

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I went ahead and took the survey Cheapy. I have to say though I'm never a fan of surveys that ask for my income without an "opt-out" or "decline to state" option. I suppose that may defeat the purpose of these kinds of surveys, but I prefer to keep that kind of info private.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:01 AM

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#54 itachiitachi

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:01 PM

Regarding the 3DS Amazon trade in - sounds sketchy to me... perhaps a good test would be to have a new 3DS / Vita / console literally only cut the seal on the box but never open then ship to amazon. Select the return back option and see what offers you get..

I agree with this, apparently that company has been ripping people of for years. I'd like to see shipwreck do some investigative journalism and blow the lid off of the story.

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#55 jkam

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:26 PM

Just dropping in to give a late Congrats to Shipwreck!

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:45 PM

Completely disagree with Wombat over his thoughts on Injustice. The couple of hardcore comic fans that I'm friends with are very interested in it and as a casual comic-fan/fighting-game enthusiast, my interest in the title primarily stems from it being from NetherRealm Studios. That last Mortal Kombat game was fantastic due to the low learning-curve regarding the fighting mechanics, and I have faith that this one will be something similar, except with Capes.

How Wombat cannot see how this is just a goofy title full of fan service is beyond me.

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#57 4thHorseman

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:16 AM

Completely disagree with Wombat over his thoughts on Injustice. The couple of hardcore comic fans that I'm friends with are very interested in it and as a casual comic-fan/fighting-game enthusiast, my interest in the title primarily stems from it being from NetherRealm Studios. That last Mortal Kombat game was fantastic due to the low learning-curve regarding the fighting mechanics, and I have faith that this one will be something similar, except with Capes.

How Wombat cannot see how this is just a goofy title full of fan service is beyond me.


I love DC, but Im with Wombat. Part of the reason is I just cant stay interested in fighting games, even the MKvDC that came out. Story is nice and all, but dont enjoy fighters. Played the demo, and while it looks nice, easy moves, and smooth; I just didnt wanna play anymore after I fought everyone as Batman.

#58 jsmc

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:44 AM

I feel like I was more interested in Injustice prior to hearing there was a new Arkham game in the works. I'm not a huge DC or comic book guy but enjoy Batman stuff quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Injustice will be good but I feel like I can still play MK and get my Batman fix elsewhere later this year.