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#1 ClydeShebang

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

Does anyone around these boards watch Mad Men? I remember watching parts of season 1 a few years ago but never truly got into until recently when I bought the dvd's quite cheap and am currently 5 episodes in the first season.

I'm really enjoying it thus far, it's a nice counterbalance to everything else I watch and I just love the the setting. Though I want to say that I dislike Don Draper since I hate people who cheat on their partners and after how he was with his brother, I just don't. I just find him a fascinating character.

So far my favourite character is Roger Sterling, from what little I've seen of him.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

YEP. And get ready, Roger will stay your favorite character. The season premiere was this past Sunday and Roger is still fucking amazing.

You'll keep finding yourself liking Don, too. Especially when he tries to have changes of heart all the time and stop cheating/drinking/smoking. It's always hilarious.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:04 PM

I just got to season 5.

Although a fairly shallow character, Sterling is awesome for what he is.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 04:18 PM

Yup, I watch it. I think Roger Sterling is most people's favorite character. The actor I think does the best on the show is the guy who plays Pete Campbell. He does a great job at being absolute scumbag at times.

I definitely like Don as the strong, silent type. But I understand OP's feeling about him, he is an extremely flawed protagonist.

As for the show, it's a pretty good show but it can move too slow for me at times. The Season 6 premiere is a great example. I have a couple other small qualms about the show as well that I won't get into because they're a bit spoiler-filled, but I do hope this thread takes off as a Mad Men discussion thread.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:49 AM

I couldn't get past the first 15 minutes of Sunday's premiere. I tried to watch it twice and just couldn't. Season 5 ended on a pretty decent note so maybe my expectations were blown out of proportion?



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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:32 AM

^The last 4-5 episodes of Season 5 were great. Turns out, when things actually happen on the show, it's pretty entertaining.

You didn't miss much from last weeks episodes. Maybe next weeks will be better if you try and watch it, the only things that might surprise you are
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

As for the show, it's a pretty good show but it can move too slow for me at times.


One things I've noticed and that may help explain this is that they tend to "preview" story developments in innocent side scenes, that drop the "news bomb" to us the viewers before being presented as a bomb to the characters. This makes for less passionate and more tactful drama that is true to the series' main character's traits.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

I get the the whole shallow thing, i think on the face value most of the characters are are quite shallow.
I just enjoy the show as a nice quiet counterpart to something like It's Always Sunny, which is the total opposite.

The Pete Campbell actor is indeed very good, it also doesn't hurt that his wife is played by Alison Brie

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 12:42 AM

This is one of the few shows I follow (once it's on DVD). There's some real subtle things that make me laugh a lot. I think early in Season 1 there's a scene where Don playfully kicks his son as he's walking by him, when he's sick and lights up a cigarette and puts it out after coughing immediately, some other things I can't recall off the top of my head but they happen frequently.

Season 5 started slow.. during one of the middle episodes there's a scene where everyone is sitting at a table dejected over recent events and it pans out with them all looking miserable and it got me right back in. There's moments here and there.
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:33 PM

Great show! My wife and I love it. We just finished season 5, but we haven't seen any of season 6 yet.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:44 PM

I'm on Season 5 right now about 1/2 way through. I like the show a lot - especially when I'm watching it.... but it's weird that I never feel compelled to sit down and watch it. Other shows I enjoy like Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, etc. I'm usually looking forward to way more.

I don't know... maybe the slow pace is the main factor here - I don't feel like I'm ever missing anything. For example, I was current through Season 4 and then I had all of Season 5 on my DVR because I couldn't compel myself to watch it. Then I deleted it to make space. Now that it is on Netflix I'm watching it while Season 6 piles up on the DVR again!

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

I'm on Season 5 right now about 1/2 way through. I like the show a lot - especially when I'm watching it.... but it's weird that I never feel compelled to sit down and watch it. Other shows I enjoy like Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, etc. I'm usually looking forward to way more.

I don't know... maybe the slow pace is the main factor here - I don't feel like I'm ever missing anything. For example, I was current through Season 4 and then I had all of Season 5 on my DVR because I couldn't compel myself to watch it. Then I deleted it to make space. Now that it is on Netflix I'm watching it while Season 6 piles up on the DVR again!


I kinda feel the same way, at first though mad men was one of those shows for me, like breaking bad and thrones is. I watch thrones first now because that's how excited I am for it. I am however, caught up on mad men however. Though I feel breaking bad has become superior. Walking dead not so much

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:36 PM

Turns out, when things actually happen on the show, it's pretty entertaining.


Exactly how I've felt about it. This premiere turned me off pretty hard, but I'll give it a few more episodes. I think I might just be done with it, personally. It was a fun enough ride.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:50 PM

Exactly how I've felt about it. This premiere turned me off pretty hard, but I'll give it a few more episodes. I think I might just be done with it, personally. It was a fun enough ride.


With only 2 seasons left, I'll probably ride the show out til the end. But I didn't go out of my way to watch the new episode last night (it's on the DVR at my mom's house, I'll catch it eventually) because I found the premiere pretty lackluster as well.

I think the most interesting aspect of the show is the business itself. From the restructuring from Sterling Cooper to SCDP, to the fake commercial they put together for Honda, to the ups and downs they had with Heinz, I usually find the day-to-day going-on's of the company more appealing than any of the individual character's storylines.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

I'm on Season 5 right now about 1/2 way through. I like the show a lot - especially when I'm watching it.... but it's weird that I never feel compelled to sit down and watch it. Other shows I enjoy like Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, etc. I'm usually looking forward to way more.

I don't know... maybe the slow pace is the main factor here - I don't feel like I'm ever missing anything. For example, I was current through Season 4 and then I had all of Season 5 on my DVR because I couldn't compel myself to watch it. Then I deleted it to make space. Now that it is on Netflix I'm watching it while Season 6 piles up on the DVR again!


All them shows that you have listed I've been meaning to watch but it's all about one thing - finding the time. Between work, gaming and life in general I'm really behind on a lot of shows.
Watched the first season of walking dead on dvd but haven't got round to the rest since a lot of chatter about the third season hasn't been so positive so thought move on to something else for now.

Still need to watch nikita yet, had that on blu ray over a year now...

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:28 AM

Finally caught Sunday night's episode. Significantly better than the premiere. Pretty good pace and some interesting bits. Couple thoughts:

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

Love the show. I actually liked the premiere of season 6 a lot. I found it really interesting that no matter how many 2nd chances Don gets to rebuild himself he is never genuinely happy.

Roger Sterling is my favorite character, he's the only one that is completely honest with who he is, his flaws, and doesn't hide it.

The slow pace of Mad Men is deliberate and can turn away a lot of potential fans but when stuff happens, it's leaves you at the edge of your seat. Like the end of Season 3.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 12:32 AM

Very good episode 2 weeks ago, and an amazing episode last Sunday. This is what Mad Men always should have been. (Obviously what happened in Sunday's episode can't happen every week, but I've mentioned before how big of a role SCDP plays in the show. When SCDP is in focus, Mad Men is at its absolute best).

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

Been watching since the beginning but I just watched my first "Next time on madmen" preview during the credits. Is every preview just random clips of people saying two words at a time with no real context?

I thought it was quite hilarious.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

Been watching since the beginning but I just watched my first "Next time on madmen" preview during the credits. Is every preview just random clips of people saying two words at a time with no real context?

I thought it was quite hilarious.


Yes, they're completely non-nonsensical and entirely out of context. From what I've read, the creator/showrunner is crazy focused on keeping any sort of spoiler or story info completely private until the next episode airs. It ends up making the preview pretty humorous.

I haven't had a chance to see last night's episode yet, hopefully I'll catch it tonight!

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:31 AM

A spoiler for those not into season 6 yet, but I have to ask this:
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I think I hate Sylvia's character about as much as Betty or Pete right now (which as a viewer I suppose you are supposed to), talk about no redeeming qualities, hopefully she's gone now. I also can't seem to place Bob Benson. He's either simultaneously both the nicest/smartest guy in the room or he just seems super happy about everything yet will eventually walk into SDCP with a shotgun. The episode title "Man with a Plan" probably refers to Don/Ted but Bob seemed like he made the biggest play this time around both professionally and maybe personally. Best moments this week had to be a tie though between
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:37 PM

A spoiler for those not into season 6 yet, but I have to ask this:

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I think I hate Sylvia's character about as much as Betty or Pete right now (which as a viewer I suppose you are supposed to), talk about no redeeming qualities, hopefully she's gone now. I also can't seem to place Bob Benson. He's either simultaneously both the nicest/smartest guy in the room or he just seems super happy about everything yet will eventually walk into SDCP with a shotgun. The episode title "Man with a Plan" probably refers to Don/Ted but Bob seemed like he made the biggest play this time around both professionally and maybe personally. Best moments this week had to be a tie though between
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Pretty much all this is spoilers, but since this is specifically a Mad Men discussion thread, I'm not sure if we need the spoiler tag, do we?

I'm glad I had to Google Christian Grey.

Yeah, the Don affair storyline isn't great, and honestly it never really has been. He's a straight-up womanizer at this point, which is fine, that's his character. But I don't understand why he looks for deeper meaning with most these women. Does he seriously not realize that he'll grow tired of them too? Why is he still bothering to look for happiness with women? He looked rather dejected when Cynthia left, and in earlier seasons he has practically begged some other women to run away with him permanently. I think that's what bores me the most about his affairs with women, he's not learning anything about himself. He's just making the same mistakes over and over.

I understand the bossing around of Cynthia had some deeper meaning (I'm not sure exactly what that is) but it was pretty creepy and not enjoyable to watch.

As for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. Burt getting fired again was definitely the highlight for me, Sterling did is so cold-heartedly it was hilarious. I want to see Ted Chaough succeed, but I'm not sure he'll even make it through the end of the season. I myself am most intrigued with Bob Benson, I really want to see what they have planned for him.

With this merger, it feels like we're starting to have too many characters again. I'm wondering if we're going to see a repeat of the end of Season 3, when they formed SCDP and basically said goodbye to some well established characters like Kinsey and Sal. I'm wondering if a few of the minor but significant role players from Seasons 4 and 5 may be looking at far less screen time. (Specifically I'm thinking Harry, Kenny Cosgrove, and Burt Cooper).

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:52 PM

Also, unless I missed it, they didn't reveal the name of the new agency, did they?

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:58 PM

I think the point with Don's affairs are to point out the flaw in most people's relationships.. The fact that people can fall into and out of love so easily. I mean, he idealizes most of these women (thinking "this one will be different!"), asks them to run away with them, and then the second some shit hits the fan they break things off and he starts blubbering. It doesn't take long to get started, doesn't take long to fall apart, and in the end all it earns you is grief. Don seems like the guy that would've married in high school, realized he was unhappy after 2-3 years, and then just up and leave. Of course, he'd be back in a relationship before you know it because he doesn't have a sense of singular identity. He's only himself when he's around a love interest. I could be wrong about all of this, but I've been thinking about it a lot since I saw Rick kind of doing the same in The Walking Dead books. I think it's just supposed to represent how people are in relationships.

As for what happens with all of the characters? I think the new firm will open up a branch near Chevy and that's where most of them will get shuttled off to. Maybe have Peggy or Pete be the head of the branch. And no, they didn't reveal the new name yet.

Edit: Also, I hate Bob Benson. Almost entirely sure he has ulterior motives for everything. Hoping he kills himself soon.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:33 AM

Also, unless I missed it, they didn't reveal the name of the new agency, did they?


Nope, which is odd that they spend 20 mins tyring to come up with a slogan for margarine but forgot to re-brand their own agency...

The one thing I really wanted to see (and I hope it's next episode but prob not) is Jim Cutler & Roger's trip to Germany to placate Leica cameras. That'd no doubt be fun to watch.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:37 AM

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Edit: Also, I hate Bob Benson. Almost entirely sure he has ulterior motives for everything. Hoping he kills himself soon.


Even so I can't fault the character for that, I mean it's the world of Mad Men, basically everyone has ulterior motives for almost everything they do.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:28 AM

Nope, which is odd that they spend 20 mins tyring to come up with a slogan for margarine but forgot to re-brand their own agency...

The one thing I really wanted to see (and I hope it's next episode but prob not) is Jim Cutler & Roger's trip to Germany to placate Leica cameras. That'd no doubt be fun to watch.


That does sound entertaining. I totally forgot about that bit.

Even so I can't fault the character for that, I mean it's the world of Mad Men, basically everyone has ulterior motives for almost everything they do.


I agree, and I like Bob Benson. I actually feel like he's a red herring and won't end up doing anything besides maybe hooking up with Joan. But who knows.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:26 PM

I don't know what it is, anytime Cosgrove or Campbel's charactersl are on screen talking, I'm suddenly super aware I'm watching people spout memorized lines and I get taken out of the moment. They're not necessarily bad actors, they just throw off the flow to me. That dancing scene from last night had me cringing pretty bad.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:51 PM

I'm reading a lot of mixed reactions about last night, personally I liked last night's episode. Very little plot and lots of character interaction.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:54 AM

I don't know what it is, anytime Cosgrove or Campbel's charactersl are on screen talking, I'm suddenly super aware I'm watching people spout memorized lines and I get taken out of the moment. They're not necessarily bad actors, they just throw off the flow to me. That dancing scene from last night had me cringing pretty bad.


Really? I don't have any problem with either of those guys. The dancing thing was really weird though. That whole episode was really weird. I am tired of Don/Cynthia. I loved that Don rode the elevator with her in complete silence and stepped off the elevator before she did.

Also, why was Kenny injured? Just from having to entertain those crazy Chevy dudes, or did I miss something else?

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