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Massive Gitmo hunger strike reaches past 11th week, over half the detainees.


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#31 Knoell

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:25 PM

I am not making any claims, but don't you find it strange that Obama ran an the popular idea of closing guantanomo back in 2008.

Then he became President and decided not to.

Maybe it is just the optimistic side of me, and it obviously isn't good enough to hold people, but maybe...just maybe there is a reason he has kept it open that we don't know about. Maybe even a good one.

#32 UncleBob

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:11 PM

What's the good reason for "secret" military prisons outside of the US so that the US doesn't have to treat the prisoners with dignity and respect?
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#33 Knoell

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

What's the good reason for "secret" military prisons outside of the US so that the US doesn't have to treat the prisoners with dignity and respect?


Ask the guy with all of the information.

Even if there isn't a good reason, something changed his tune about it. I would think that when you obtain that Office, you get a wealth of information you didn't have when you were campaigning.

Of course he could have blatently lied about wanting to close it. I guess there's a good chance of that.

#34 UncleBob

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

He's the guy who like bombing people with unmanned drones.

You'll forgive me if I don't put a lot of trust in his decision making abilities.
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#35 Spokker

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 12:52 AM

Spare us the faux concern. It's a winner issue for the GOP. They can do nothing to close it AND bitch about Obama not keeping promises.

What is it like living in a world where Obama did not sign the NDAA that one time? I want to go to there.

#36 Finger_Shocker

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

First of all GITMO is a POW camp no matter how much spin you like to put on it....

We the USA has kept POWs longer then any other nation that capture our soldiers during times of war.

#37 ID2006

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:16 PM

It's up to 97 (58%) prisoners now, including 5 who've been hospitalized and 19 who've been force fed via tubes

Here's a handy chart of the changes in the past several weeks.

#38 mykevermin

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:31 AM

Spare us the faux concern. It's a winner issue for the GOP.


Gonna keep this quote handy when it comes to the inevitable Syria thread.
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#39 joeboosauce

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

Why would Obama keep innocent people in jail?


Because he's a fascist masquerading as a democratically-elected politician, cut from the same cloth as his predecessors.

And to the ignoramus (perdition) who posted crap on letting innocent people starve and rot away in this prison camp, nearly 100 of the remaining have been deemed innocent when Obama was first elected and have been held for no good reason.
Innocent, but still locked-up: Guantanamo prisoners stay behind bars years after being cleared for release

“One of the greatest injustices at Guantánamo is that, of the 169 prisoners still held, over half — 87 in total — were cleared for release by President Obama’s interagency Guantánamo Review Task Force,” writes Worthington. That task force, he says, was established at the dawn of the Obama administration and has pulled minds from varying intelligence agencies and government departments to determine the fate of the prisoners. Even after being let off the hook, however, dozens of those detainees have been subjected to continuous imprisonment at the military jail.

Former State Department Official: Team Bush Knew Many at Gitmo Were Innocent

Retired Colonel Lawrence B. Wilkerson, who served the Bush Administration as a senior official in the State Department with access to classified documents and the most senior White House officials, was willing to testify, and formally declared under penalty of perjury, that many of the prisoners detained at Guantanamo Bay were taken into custody "without regard for whether they were truly enemy combatants, or in fact whether many of them were enemies at all."

And related to this and conveniently unreported by the mainstream...
Bipartisan Report Concludes There's No Doubt U.S. Tortured, Violated Law

The assessment was put together by the Constitution Project, and was lead by a Democrat and a Republican--both of them former members of Congress. The 577 page report states that torture has “no justification” and “damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary and potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive.” It also concludes that torture does not provide reliable intelligence. The Constitution Project publication calls on Guantanamo Bay to be closed by 2014, and says that the nation's highest officials bear responsibility for the use of torture.
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

^This is not to counter your points but did he not just go on TV today and say we need to shut it down?

"The notion that we're going to continue to keep over 100 individuals in a no-man's land in perpetuity-even at a time when we've wound down the war in Iraq, we're winding down the war in Afghanistan, we're having success defeating al Qaeda, we've kept the pressure up on all these transnational networks, when we've transfsferred detention authority in Afghanistan- the idea that we would still maintain, forever, a group of individuals who have not been tried, that's contrary to who we are, it's contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop."

#41 ID2006

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:21 PM

I saw that earlier today. Looked like he wasn't expecting it to be brought up.

Anyway, Obama really seems more concerned about the dismal image that Gitmo projects (on his legacy) than he is about the people suffering inside and the lack of due process for each of them. To him, it's probably an embarrassment if anything. Some of his plans in the past have been to move these people to a brand new Gitmo, essentially.

And it's not like he's powerless to do anything, either.

Also, this.

Edit: And, this.
Links courtesy of Glenn Greenwald.

#42 joeboosauce

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

^This is not to counter your points but did he not just go on TV today and say we need to shut it down?

"The notion that we're going to continue to keep over 100 individuals in a no-man's land in perpetuity-even at a time when we've wound down the war in Iraq, we're winding down the war in Afghanistan, we're having success defeating al Qaeda, we've kept the pressure up on all these transnational networks, when we've transfsferred detention authority in Afghanistan- the idea that we would still maintain, forever, a group of individuals who have not been tried, that's contrary to who we are, it's contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop."


Yeah, I posted that yesterday so looks like he responded to my pressure! LOL. Well, I guess the hunger strike is working contrary to what some idiot said early on in the thread. Good that Obama feels the pressure to comment. Now, will this go the same way when he said similar things at the start of his presidency? I surely hope not.
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#43 joeboosauce

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:32 PM

I saw that earlier today. Looked like he wasn't expecting it to be brought up.

Anyway, Obama really seems more concerned about the dismal image that Gitmo projects (on his legacy) than he is about the people suffering inside and the lack of due process for each of them. To him, it's probably an embarrassment if anything. Some of his plans in the past have been to move these people to a brand new Gitmo, essentially.

And it's not like he's powerless to do anything, either.

Also, this.

Edit: And, this.
Links courtesy of Glenn Greenwald.


Very good links. Thanks!

#44 ID2006

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:13 PM

Article about the agony of forced feeding.

It's pretty disquieting.