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CAGcast #324: Still Breathing


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#31 bickle

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:10 PM

But the Pebble Watch works Inside AND Outside!!!


That part was hilarious.

#32 jollydwarf

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:34 PM

Don't you three DARE drop the handles! I can't imagine the disconnect of hearing your banal real names in this context. I mean, it's not like...I still imagine animated versions of your avatars doing the talking...or anything....

#33 Jasper Kazai

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:01 AM

- Does anyone pay for a podcast? I've never searched itunes to see if any of them aren't free. If there is I would never pay for a podcast. So I'm not sure that's a feasible option. If you need money for your 'cast do what everyone else does and get a sponsor.

I do not pay personally, but yes, there are podcasts that charge. Well, I'm not sure if there is a podcast that charges for every ep, but I follow a couple of podcasts that charge maybe $1-3 for certain eps, i.e. a special feature of some sorts. (I just skip those myself, though.)

The handles are fine. ScrewAttack's Stuttering Craig is a semi-handle, and he still uses it, but it isn't as front-and-center as it once was. The whole ScrewAttack crew used to use nicknames, but they've kind of fallen to the wayside now.
I have a group of online friends that I've known for about 8 years now, and even though we all know each other's real names, we still refer to one another as our online names since it's just more natural.

This is a moot point, but I think Wombat mistook the end of the Saint's Row IV question (the guy saying he just isn't interested) as Cheapy's opinion, which it wasn't. I just felt like pointing that out.

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#34 wickerjoe

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:21 AM

I'd back a CAG kickstarter in a second. Years of free podcasts, hundreds of dollars in savings, and a free live cheap bracelet? That's worth something.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:40 AM

Good show, good discussion as usual, very entertaining. Was I the only person yelling "ITS THE WARRIORS!" at my iPod during the advertising segment?

I rate this podcast 8.5/10; would download again A+++.

#36 apathylad

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:34 AM

Hey guys, I think internet friends referring to each other by their screen names is a lot more common than Wombat made it sound. Calling someone by their real name when I haven't met the person just seems too...formal, I guess? I know I do that among most of the people I know in the internet.

#37 io

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 08:54 AM

Interesting talk on the use of screen names. I'll relate my little experience. My first real life meeting with Cheapy (and Shipwreck and Mrs. Shipwreck) happened last year at PAX. Me and my son actually ran into them on the street the evening before the convention. Cheapy being the big-time Internet celeb that he is, I recognized him right away. But to make sure, when I introduced myself, I addressed him as Cheapy - that just seemed like the right thing to do. It would have felt odd calling him Dave or David. Same with Ship. On the other hand, I would feel odd calling Mrs. Shipwreck "Mrs. Shipwreck". But that just might be because she was not nearly as much of a forum regular as the other two. I would have no problem calling the other guy "Wombat" (haven't met him though).

And I say all this as someone who is a bit older and finds the ideas of Internet "handles" themselves very strange (and yet a necessary evil to maintain some level of privacy). However, I guess over many years of being on CAG I've gotten used to them. Though I would find it extremely odd if anyone ever called me "Io" in person. That is the name of my (now deceased) cat by the way... Yeah, I couldn't think of anything better when I signed up oh so many years ago ;).

#38 polly

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:12 AM

I agree that the Penny Arcade Kickstarter comes across as incredibly tacky and gross, especially given the success that they have enjoyed. The biggest problem with it (aside from the obvious one of asking for money to do a podcast) is that they're using the Kickstarter platform as their personal subscription service, which I really believe goes against the spirit of Kickstarter, even if it turns out to not technically be against the rules.

Many may not remember, but when Penny Arcade originally started their "Downloadable Content" podcast back in March 2006 they made a not-too-subtle jab at Tim Buckley (of Ctrl+Alt+Del) for charging a subscription fee for his extra content package "CAD Premium." Mike Krahulik (Gabe) then goes on to explain how simple it is to do their podcast: "We’re putting it out there to gauge interest. Would you guys like to get one of these a week? I mean, we’re writing the strip anyway, it’s not hard to turn the mic on."

The hypocrisy is simply delicious.

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#39 The Great BM

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

The sad thing about the PA thing is that it isn't even the most egregious example of violating the spirit of Kickstarter. What really chaps my hide are the ones where celebrities start one to fund their Hollywood movies, like the Veronica Mars or Zach Braff ones. These people aren't starving artists. I certainly understand the desire to have creative control over your product, but the fact is they have access to funds that smaller guys don't, and like you guys said, it becomes more of a marketing ploy than a creative endeavor.

#40 xilly

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:55 PM

Wombat was pretty spot-on in saying how gross it was that PA set the donation goal to $10, simply because no matter how much money they got the thing was technically funded, and therefore they got to keep all of the money regardless of what they choose to do with it.

The entire debacle is atrocious and clearly shows just how easily exploitable the kickstarter system can be. The entire kickstarter page reads like a pretentious jerk saying "I could do everything here for free, but let me see how much money you suckers will give me."

What PA should be doing with that money is using it to fund projects that are struggling and could use the bump instead. Of course, they won't, because then how would they be able to fund PAX Australia?

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#41 cereal_killerxx

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:55 PM

Anybody else notice that they all tried talking over each other multiple times during this podcast? I thought that it was kind of funny. xD

#42 LiK

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:56 PM

I agree that the Penny Arcade Kickstarter comes across as incredibly tacky and gross, especially given the success that they have enjoyed. The biggest problem with it (aside from the obvious one of asking for money to do a podcast) is that they're using the Kickstarter platform as their personal subscription service, which I really believe goes against the spirit of Kickstarter, even if it turns out to not technically be against the rules.

Many may not remember, but when Penny Arcade originally started their "Downloadable Content" podcast back in March 2006 they made a not-too-subtle jab at Tim Buckley (of Ctrl+Alt+Del) for charging a subscription fee for his extra content package "CAD Premium." Mike Krahulik (Gabe) then goes on to explain how simple it is to do their podcast: "We’re putting it out there to gauge interest. Would you guys like to get one of these a week? I mean, we’re writing the strip anyway, it’s not hard to turn the mic on."

The hypocrisy is simply delicious.

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#43 xrayzwei

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

I guess I'm not falling in line with all of the opposition to paying PA for their podcast.

1) I never give those guys any money: I have never clicked an ad on their site, bought any of their merch nor participated in the community. Maybe for someone else like me this is just a way to give those guys some money.

2) I have enjoyed PA entertainment for over a decade: to get 3 comics and commentary on the industry for ~13 years I think I've gotten a lot for my money, which is great.

3) I would gladly pay for every podcast I listen to: BUT I don't want to pay for them on iTunes. Not everyone uses iTunes for podcasts.

4) This podcast is only pay now for backers only downloads: They're going to charge "pay what you want" for episodes (two weeks later), no indication has been made as to if this will be "pay nothing" if'n you want, but it might just be free anyway.

Ultimately I think that asking for money is not that bad; just don't pay. But I have a feeling that if I "kickstarted" this project I would have more to show for my money than a couple of other projects I've backed. IronBuds I'm looking at you...
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#44 basston3s

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

Cheapy, your Kickstart the heart joke was probably the funniest joke you have said. Bravo!

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:51 PM

I think one thing kickstarter should do is put a cap on the amount of money you can take in. If you want $50,000, then $50K is what you will get (Nothing More Nothing Less). If you put your amount at $10, that's what you'll get.

This would eliminate 2 things. . . (1) People can't lowball to eliminate the risk of not reaching their goal and (2) People asking to $10,000 won't get a bajjillion dollars if there is an insane interest (Kickstarter shouldn't be the equivalent of winning the lottery). I seriously doubt Kickstarter would do this since they benefit financially from all of this crap as well.

#46 Jasper Kazai

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:09 PM

I think one thing kickstarter should do is put a cap on the amount of money you can take in. If you want $50,000, then $50K is what you will get (Nothing More Nothing Less). If you put your amount at $10, that's what you'll get.

This would eliminate 2 things. . . (1) People can't lowball to eliminate the risk of not reaching their goal and (2) People asking to $10,000 won't get a bajjillion dollars if there is an insane interest (Kickstarter shouldn't be the equivalent of winning the lottery). I seriously doubt Kickstarter would do this since they benefit financially from all of this crap as well.


That's not necessarily a bad idea, but then stretch goals are no longer possible, at least in the way that they exist currently.

#47 paddlefoot

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:56 PM

The sad thing about the PA thing is that it isn't even the most egregious example of violating the spirit of Kickstarter. What really chaps my hide are the ones where celebrities start one to fund their Hollywood movies, like the Veronica Mars or Zach Braff ones. These people aren't starving artists. I certainly understand the desire to have creative control over your product, but the fact is they have access to funds that smaller guys don't, and like you guys said, it becomes more of a marketing ploy than a creative endeavor.


The purpose of kickstarter is funding. Veronica Mars and Wish I Was Here appeared on kickstarter for crowd sourcing so they might get funded. The celebrity status and wealth of Zach Braff and Kristen Bell does not change that fact. Certainly they could have chosen alternative, more traditional methods, but they chose crowd sourcing.

The Penny Arcade podcast kickstarter isn't funding anything. Which is why it does not compare to Veronica Mars or Wish I Was Here, and also why it does not belong on kickstarter.

#48 Kazaganthi

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:59 PM

The hypocrisy is simply delicious.

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#49 4nik8tor

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:44 AM

its penny arcade. wgaf.
I've never visited their site. ever.

#50 testudo

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:34 AM

I would never support a CAGcast Kickstarter.

But I would support a CAGexpo Kickstarter. Honestly, I think a lot of other people would as well.

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#51 donkeydrop

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:40 PM

I don't agree with Cheapy that Penny Arcade meets the Kickstarter guidelines. In the past they have turned down several podcast producers saying that a podcast does not meet their definition of a "product" and does not have a definite end (this included Leo Laporte who talked about it on a recent episode of TWIT).

There really is no question that what they are actually doing is asking for donations (which is also against Kickstarter rules) and that based on their prior experience thay have concluded that even paying a cut to Kickstarter they will make more money than by doing a direct appeal on their own web site.

#52 AvidWriter

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 04:15 PM

PA obviously got really greedy after their last kickstarter and it's obvious that it's a cash grab. Fucking assholes abusing their fans and the system.

#53 Sgt Barone

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:38 PM

Great show! Very good jokes about the Penny Arcade Kickstarter. Also, Wombat, the UnOp cast was hilarious! We appreciate you and ship doing the cagcast for free. You say its not alot of work, but it is 2 hours out of your Wednesday. Keep up the good work!

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#54 CheapyD

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:45 AM

I don't agree with Cheapy that Penny Arcade meets the Kickstarter guidelines. In the past they have turned down several podcast producers saying that a podcast does not meet their definition of a "product" and does not have a definite end (this included Leo Laporte who talked about it on a recent episode of TWIT).


The PA Kickstarter is for 20 episodes, 20-60 minutes each.

#55 Maklershed

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:57 PM

Wombat - I listened to the private dining experience story on the "other" podcast. Entertaining, amusing, and well told but I'll be damned if that shouldn't be the Urban Dictionary entry for the term "First World Problems". Your frustrations and anger were understandable however.

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#56 The Great Muta

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

Late to the party.

I think Kickstarter is a disappointment. Crowdsource funding has so much potential, but Kickstarter is mostly people panhandling for entertainment endeavors or just stuff. Stuff can be nice. And I totally understand the importance of entertainment. People use it to recharge their batteries. No disputing that.

Looking over the most popular projects, right now, and nothing catches my attention. I would support a NASA kickstarter, since, ya know, the government doesn't care, and space exploration is neat and will become a necessity in the future. Or something like giving money to help someone with a terminal illness fulfill their last adventure. Things like this.

Could just be me, but I roll my eyes at Kickstarters for stuff like Zach Braff's film and the Veronica Mars film. And the Penny Arcade podcast panhandling is disgusting.

Just my two cents, tho.

#57 ILikePopCans

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

Come on Cheapy.

'I'm sure they try to "exploit" everything for traffic. Why wouldn't you if you were paid per view?'

Are you saying all gaming articles have zero credibility than since all their doing is trying to "exploit" people? Money is not always FIRST in peoples minds; you seem to forget that quite often. Please don't make such blanket statements.

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#58 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:14 AM

The thing that seems more egregious than questionable Kickstarter subjects are these lowball goals that seem to just exploit the very spirit of the service where you set a reasonable goal to ensure you get the funding needed to actually complete the project. There was one indie developer that would've finished the game anyway, but set up a Kickstarter with a $1 goal to ensure that he'll get money for it anyway.

My experience with Kickstarter has been great so far as I've gotten the promised rewards for some of the projects and the others are progressing nicely with good updates every month or so to let me know what's up. You just have to know what projects you can reliably invest in and which would be best to wait on before you put down your money.


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#59 CheapyD

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:49 AM

Come on Cheapy.
Are you saying all gaming articles have zero credibility than since all their doing is trying to "exploit" people? Money is not always FIRST in peoples minds; you seem to forget that quite often. Please don't make such blanket statements.

And keep up the good work.


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#60 Icedus

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:39 PM

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