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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:58 PM


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:14 AM

If you had any doubt whether or not the Aries/Hemme situation was a work, the latest report is that Aries will be punished live on Impact this Thursday. Go Fuck yourselves, TNA - while I'm pretty positive it was a work all along, it's reprehensible to pass it off as anything remotely serious if you're going to just mock it for ratings.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:28 AM

If you had any doubt whether or not the Aries/Hemme situation was a work, the latest report is that Aries will be punished live on Impact this Thursday. Go Fuck yourselves, TNA - while I'm pretty positive it was a work all along, it's reprehensible to pass it off as anything remotely serious if you're going to just mock it for ratings.


You say this like you're surprised that TNA would mock something for ratings...

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:34 AM

If you had any doubt whether or not the Aries/Hemme situation was a work, the latest report is that Aries will be punished live on Impact this Thursday. Go Fuck yourselves, TNA - while I'm pretty positive it was a work all along, it's reprehensible to pass it off as anything remotely serious if you're going to just mock it for ratings.



By normal world standards, I can see how it would be offensive to joke about sexual harassment. However, as a wrasslin angle, it works. There have been far more insensitive angles in pro wrestling. For example, WWE mocked suicide with those Tim White suicide skits.

I like the pro wrestling part of pro wrestling, and that's why I watch PWG. But, I can also appreciate the outrageous caricaturization of life that wrasslin can offer. Sheamus, for example. On a more outrageous level, the Tim White suicide skits, the various crucifixion angles (Austin in WWE, Sandman in ECW), amongst other things. This is a form of entertainment where women having affairs is so ordinary it's boring and assaulting other coworkers is like saying hello.

At its best, the "sports entertainment" version of pro wrestling is a parody of real-life. At least in my opinion. And you may want to take into account that it is very difficult to offend me. I cannot stomach this recent wave of easily offended people. Not that you are one of those people. I'm just rambling now. Pardon.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:36 AM

If you had any doubt whether or not the Aries/Hemme situation was a work, the latest report is that Aries will be punished live on Impact this Thursday. Go Fuck yourselves, TNA - while I'm pretty positive it was a work all along, it's reprehensible to pass it off as anything remotely serious if you're going to just mock it for ratings.


Actually, I'm wondering if it's not TNA that wants to punish The Great Man That Ever Lived, but Spike TV, and I believe Dixie's just following suit. But between Bobby ROOO-ing and this, Hemme's been botching too regularly lately, and she's not even a ring worker anymore. I like her, but she knew she messed up, and stuff happens when people mess up in the ring. Remember when Lillian Garcia called Chris Benoit Chris Jericho? She got off easy with a murderous (no pun intended) staredown. And when the Rock used to misogynize(?) everyone that was all happy happy joy joy. If this was really not a work, I'd rather not see this double standard and have both punished, for messing up at their respective positions.

I like the pro wrestling part of pro wrestling, and that's why I watch PWG.


On the same subject, I still miss Joey Ryan in PWG, treating Candice LeRae like crap. "Boob-plex!"

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:34 AM

If you had any doubt whether or not the Aries/Hemme situation was a work, the latest report is that Aries will be punished live on Impact this Thursday. Go Fuck yourselves, TNA - while I'm pretty positive it was a work all along, it's reprehensible to pass it off as anything remotely serious if you're going to just mock it for ratings.


Since none of us are privy to what is actually going on behind the scenes all any of us can do is speculate. I watched that segment and that didn't look anything like a work to me. The commentators made no reference to it at all. IMO, Aries did that in the moment. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do, particularly on live television. He literally had her cornered and then put his crotch just a few inches from her face. No matter how you slice it that will be construed as sexual harassment at the least. If his crotch touched her she could even make a claim of sexual battery (assuming Mississippi law is the same as Georgia law on this matter).

As for mocking it for ratings, David Schwarz, Senior Vice President of Communications for Spike TV, had this to say.

“We have a zero tolerance policy for sexual harassment,” said Schwarz. “We discussed [the incident] with our partner. [Aries is] being disciplined. I’m trying to get more information on what action is being taken. Dixie Carter took this very personally. He will be disciplined. Again, we have a zero tolerance policy for sexual harassment.

“I’m not sure specifically how [the discipline] will be handled. To what extent, I don’t know. This is certainly something we don’t condone and don’t tolerate. Such behavior is not welcome."


In response to whether Aries' discipline should be made public since Hemme was harassed on national television, Schwarz responded, "I think that a statement of some sort will be coming. That’s being worked out. But immediate action will be taken."

There is nothing in that quote or anywhere else in that article that would even imply that Spike TV and/or TNA will try to use it to bump ratings.

BTW, I'm saying all of this as a pretty big Aries fan. He did something incredibly stupid and then exasperated it further online. Pretty dumb couple of days for someone who seems to be a fairly bright guy.

You say this like you're surprised that TNA would mock something for ratings...


Care to cite an actual event to back up this statement?

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#8 Yggy87

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:29 AM

I guess you're right, Cisco. All we wrestling fans can do is speculate at best. It's things like this that makes me feel like wrestling takes a step forward and two steps backwards when it comes to these kinds of situations as it slowly loses popularity among the masses in favor of the "real stuff" (MMA), like the Jay Briscoe tweeting incident.

So what would be an agreeable punishment? A fine? A real (not kayfabe) suspension? I'd say a fine is most likely here.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:50 AM

Here's what I don't necessarily understand: Spike TV broadcast the Raws in 2004 when Kane was stalking Lita and basically forced her to have sex with him to stop him from beating up Matt Hardy and marry him. That's not sexual harassment because it was part of the storyline?

#10 Halo05

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:51 AM

Yeah, go away. Next time, take your public sexual harassment and act like you're lovin' it!


Are you clamoring for Bryan Cranston to go to jail for meth production and murder?

He's an actor, he acts like a dick (har har), it's what he's supposed to do.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:04 AM

Got Virtual Pro Wrestling 64 (Japanese version of WCW Vs. nWo: World Tour) earlier this week. Was worth it for Stan Hansen alone.

I had a match against "Dr. Death" Steve Williams where he german suplexed Hansen, but Stan rolled backwards onto his feet and floored Williams with a running lariot for a near-fall. MARKED. THE Fuck. OUT. The rematch between them was an epic twenty-four minute, twenty second classic. Hansen (me) won both bouts.

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#12 neocisco

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:09 AM

Here's what I don't necessarily understand: Spike TV broadcast the Raws in 2004 when Kane was stalking Lita and basically forced her to have sex with him to stop him from beating up Matt Hardy and marry him. That's not sexual harassment because it was part of the storyline?


At the risk of breaking kayfabe, Kane didn't actually have sex with Lita and marry her. Aries actually did corner Hemme and put his crotch in her face. If Hemme had agreed to it then it would a different story but it's pretty clear that she didn't. As far as Spike is concerned, that was 9 years ago. Corporate leadership and policies can change quite a bit in that length of time (assuming the two situations are analogous to begin with).

Are you clamoring for Bryan Cranston to go to jail for meth production and murder?

He's an actor, he acts like a dick (har har), it's what he's supposed to do.


When actors are acting, all of the actors are "in on it", so to speak. Are you saying that you actually believe that Christy Hemme knew Aries was going to be putting his crotch in her face? Terrible analogy comparing this situation to something like that. He crossed a line and did it on national television. Of course there are going to be repercussions.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:07 AM

I don't watch any shows anymore, but couldn't resist browsing the thread. Is TNA Impact aired live?

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:38 AM

Every other week. The next week's show is taped that same night. They started doing all Impacts on the road a couple of months ago and it has helped a lot in giving the show a bigger feel.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:02 AM

I didn't know a vegetarian could commit sexual harassment.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:28 AM

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:47 AM

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:19 PM

Impact is taped this Thursday, so there's no way they can punish him on live impact this Thursday.

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#19 The Great Muta

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:13 PM

I didn't know a vegetarian could commit sexual harassment.



Adolf Hitler has been regarded by some as a vegetarian.

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And this Aries-Hemme thing has to be an angle because there is no way Spike TV has standards.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:16 PM

Got Virtual Pro Wrestling 64 (Japanese version of WCW Vs. nWo: World Tour) earlier this week. Was worth it for Stan Hansen alone.

I had a match against "Dr. Death" Steve Williams where he german suplexed Hansen, but Stan rolled backwards onto his feet and floored Williams with a running lariot for a near-fall. MARKED. THE Fuck. OUT. The rematch between them was an epic twenty-four minute, twenty second classic. Hansen (me) won both bouts.

I'm already enjoying VPW64 way more than that steaming piece of crap, WWE '13.


After having played the sequel to this game (which is even better if you can imagine that), my friends had no idea why I shit on WWE '13 so much. Now I just play WWE '13 offline with the reversals turned down and finisher/weapon impact high to make it passable/semi-enjoyable.

There are quirks in the AKI games but there aren't giant flaws either. Reversals are night and day between the two games. They felt satisfying, competitive, and realistic in the AKI games. They're just artificial difficulty in the new series. If you fell off the ladder or cage in No Mercy, you were down for a while. If you get thrown off the Hell in a Cell in WWE '13, wait a few seconds and you'll be back up.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:40 PM

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:55 PM

Anybody else hate watching Big E Langston and his way too tiny outfit...?

#23 The Great Muta

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:40 PM

On the same subject, I still miss Joey Ryan in PWG, treating Candice LeRae like crap. "Boob-plex!"



The Young Bucks have elevated their sleaze to compensate for Joey Ryan's absence. I love it. They are my favorite tag team today. Just incredible heels and excellent at what they do.

On a similar note, The RockNES Monsters, as of late, have changed their move set and style for the better. Shame WCW didn't get to live. I could absolutely see both teams fighting for the WCW cruiserweight tag titles.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:02 PM

FWIW, the WCW Cruiserweight division towards the end had amazing action but was also downright dreadful at times. It tends to get romanticized like the Attitude Era. My friend and I used to watch all the cruiserweight matches in 2000 and 2001 for the botchfests alone. Anything actually good was a bonus.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:39 PM

Does anyone here know if Shimmer tours at all? I'd love to see a live event but it seems like they stay put in IL most of the time.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:44 AM

Sami Callahan was suddenly pulled from Big Japan's Strong Style Tournament and is rumored to make his final PWG appearance next month before heading off to NXT.

That said, PWG's "Is Your Body Ready?" takes place June 15th from Reseda, CA.

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#27 Angry Man

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:04 AM

I really wish PWG would get their stuff on live iPPV. I would certainly order a show or two as they have some great cards on paper.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:13 PM

Got Virtual Pro Wrestling 64 (Japanese version of WCW Vs. nWo: World Tour) earlier this week. Was worth it for Stan Hansen alone.

I had a match against "Dr. Death" Steve Williams where he german suplexed Hansen, but Stan rolled backwards onto his feet and floored Williams with a running lariot for a near-fall. MARKED. THE Fuck. OUT. The rematch between them was an epic twenty-four minute, twenty second classic. Hansen (me) won both bouts.

I'm already enjoying VPW64 way more than that steaming piece of crap, WWE '13.


An epic game, but as stated, VPW2 is even better (as WCW vs. nWo: Revenge was to World Tour). Some definite markout moments to be had in all of the aforementioned games, WWE '13 included.

After playing Fire Pro Wrestling Returns for a few days this past week, it is pretty damn amazing. It gets a little repetitive, but some mat classics have been had, and I can't wait to invest in customization to prolong it's awesomeness.

#29 The Great Muta

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

Sami Callahan was suddenly pulled from Big Japan's Strong Style Tournament and is rumored to make his final PWG appearance next month before heading off to NXT.

That said, PWG's "Is Your Body Ready?" takes place June 15th from Reseda, CA.

PWG Championship 60-min Iron Man Match
© Adam Cole vs Sami Callahan

"The Sky Is Falling" Tornado Rules
The Young Bucks vs Ricochet & Samuray Del Sol

Kevin Steen vs Drake Younger

Eddie Edwards & Roderick Strong vs Johnny Gargano & Chuck Taylor

Kyle O'Reilly vs Davey Richards

The RockNES Monsters vs Michael Elgin & Brian Cage



I have been toying with the idea of making it a vacation and attending this card. Just saw the front row tickets have been sold out, which is sorta a bummer, but I'm still thinking about it. I'm low on vacation time, tho. So we'll see.

Cole won't lose to Callihan, but it doesn't matter. I have always shat on promotions like CZW, XPW, and every other garbage wrestling promotion that came to life after the death of ECW—but have newfound respect for at least some of their talent.

Apparently, Callihan and Cole have been built as bitter rivals, so that match is gonna be intense. In general, Younger, Callihan, Cole, AR Fox, and Rich Swann have shown that CZW possesses some outstanding talent. Dunno if they went through a paradigm shift over the years, but they have built some solid, well-rounded talent, and not just garbage wrasslers.

On a similar note, I am surprised by how much I like Ricochet. He is exceptionally good at what he does.

#30 Sonne

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

Just saw El Generico's first promo on NXT. It was...interesting. He was dressed I guess you could say like a sort of Hipster? He was super polite and kept hitting on the interview lady. Looks interesting so far, can't wait to see the match itself.