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#31 dmaul1114

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:05 PM

I guess I'm just in the "bigger the better" mindset.

I'm currently in the process of building my own 6/7 bedroom house, with a dedicated cinema room. I'm doing most of the work myself, with my Dad, so it'll take 2 years or so. My wife and I have two kids, with number 3 on the way. We want a few more, maybe 10 altogether. So my cinema room will be a family cinema room, not a mancave. I can't wait to sit around with my wife and a bunch of kids, watching an 80+ inch, or someday 100+ inch TV, in the comfort of our own home.


Yeah, we're just polar opposite on that. The fiance and I loathe kids--just got my second post vasectomy analysis today and I'm shooting blanks so that's all taken care of! :-)

And we both like keeping our carbon footprints reasonably small (though we're not uber obsessive about it as we both like the A/C pretty low etc.).

We're also more go out and do stuff people (be it hiking, walking the dogs, museums, eating out, drinks out with friends, concerts, sporting events etc.) rather than lounge around the house types. I like gaming and reading, curling up with her to watch a movie or show etc., but given the chance I'd rather be out and about doing things than in the house vegging out.

And yeah, on the media format, physically, HVD might replace blu-ray, but hopefully streaming continues to grow. I don't like having an unnecessary physical collection either. I got rid of my DVD collection years ago, and have never even bought 1 blu-ray of anything. Digital copies and streaming all they way.


Yeah I'm pretty torn on that as movies are the one thing I do like collecting. I still have 180 some DVDs and 190 some Blurays. But I am sick of the unsightly racks. I'll probably shell out and by some nice media cabinets with doors on them when I move--I need more capacity anyway.

But I am buying a lot less--just mainly because we're not re-watchings all that often, preferring to watch something new from Netflix disc rental or streaming, Amazon streaming or grab something from Redbox. Watching something for the first time just can't be beat by a re-watch--assuming I like the movies equally of course.

Do remember thought that the lighter these sets become, wall mounting them gets even easier. Most people, even in small apartments, have 70 inches of wall space.


That's not the issue really, it's more whether the rooms big enough to sit far enough away from that big of a screen.

For instance, the front of my couch in the living room of my apartment is like 7 feet from the opposite wall--and that's the only way to set the room up as one end is an open kitchen and the other end double sliding doors onto the balcony. So I can't really do bigger than a 60" set in here--maybe a 65" without being too close to it to watch comfortably. I'm happy with the 55" one I have for now as it's a nice size in terms of being plenty big, and not looking too big for the room.

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#32 crunchewy

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

I am almost 100% certain I'd hear that plasma buzzing during bright scenes and that it would drive me insane. I do hear noises like that. So I guess plasma is out. I didn't know they did that.
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#33 dmaul1114

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:29 PM

I am almost 100% certain I'd hear that plasma buzzing during bright scenes and that it would drive me insane. I do hear noises like that. So I guess plasma is out. I didn't know they did that.


Yeah, they all do in my experience. A lot of people can't hear it though unless it's a bad set that buzzes extra loud. i.e. my girlfriend couldn't hear it on mine other than when showing a white slide or very bright scene with the sound muted--where as I could hear it in any remotely bright scene, even over dialogue etc.

I still don't think they're well suited for heavy gaming anyway due to the IR issues with game huds etc. Again, it apparently gets better after you put a lot of hours on the set in terms of the IR taking longer to set in and going away faster. But who wants to shell out for a new TV you have to baby for the first 1,000 hours? I don't want to limit my gaming sessions as I tend to just do my console gaming in 4+ hour binges a time or two a week, with any shorter burst gaming being on my 3DS or iPad.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:31 PM

I am almost 100% certain I'd hear that plasma buzzing during bright scenes and that it would drive me insane. I do hear noises like that. So I guess plasma is out. I didn't know they did that.


You're doing it wrong.;) The surround sound and speakers should mask any buzzing from the TV. From personal experience high end plasma TVs do not buzz as much if at all. I own a Panasonic VT50 and I can't hear a peep from it.
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#35 dmaul1114

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:45 PM

You're doing it wrong.;) The surround sound and speakers should mask any buzzing from the TV. From personal experience high end plasma TVs do not buzz as much if at all. I own a Panasonic VT50 and I can't hear a peep from it.


It just varies by your hearing, some people have bad luck and just really hear that type of buzzing. I've been around low and high end plasmas and heard it on all--though some due buzz louder than others for sure.

Loud sound doesn't always help as it's still audible (to me) during bright, quiet scenes in a movie (i.e. a sunny outdoor scene that is just people talking). One good example of something that was particularly bad was Jiro Dreams of Sushi--just a lot of talking/interviews with Sushi chefs in bright white chef's outfits--buzzed like crazy! Plus, being in a condo, I can't blare the sound system anyway, so I sometimes did hear it even in bright action scenes--especially if watching late at night when I really have to keep the volume lower than I'd like.

It's very distracting to me because it's intermittent and just audible in those types of bright and quiet scenes so it always snaps me out of the moment. It would be different it it was a more constant hum like old CRT TVs, or the buzzing fridge I hear all the time in my condo--that stuff is easy to tune out. But intermittent buzzing drives me nuts.

Thankfully I'm not a video at all and don't really care that much about picture quality--beyond having a decent set from a decent brand I can be totally happy with pretty much TV as long as it's big enough for the room/viewing distance.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

If you go Sharp make sure it's the Quatron.

If you want a plasma go Panasonic only.

Since you said you watch a lot of sports go with the 240hz. At my work we sell a 70 sharp with everything you want and I think it's $1900.

I am a bit of a fan of Samsung TVs they are super Nice. You can't go wrong if you get a LG, Sharp or Samsung in this size. Also since your getting 3d make sure it is active 3d.

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#37 dmaul1114

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:50 PM

Also since your getting 3d make sure it is active 3d.


I'd actually disagree with that too.

The plasma I tried was a Panasonic plasma with active 3D, and I exchanged that for a Panasonic LED that's passive 3D.

Granted that's only two TVs, but I prefer the passive. The active 3D tired my eyes a lot faster than the passive, the crosstalk (double imaging of pop out effects) was worse on the active, and I'm not fond of 3D glasses that require batteries or recharging as you have to worry about them being dead the few times you get around to watching the limited 3D content out there.

It seems to be a too each, their own thing though as there is a ton of debate about which is "better" out there from what I gathered when researching TVs this winter.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:04 PM

I'm in the market for a 70" TV. I'm leaning towards an LED TV but I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions on this stuff. It is tough to wade through all of the crap online.

THIS is the one I'm thinking about. Sharp 70-Inch LE757 Class Aquos® Quattron 1080p 240Hz LED 3D HDTV. Any thoughts or suggestions?



Sharp LED TVs are generally very good (their Elite series is top notch). I would check out this model instead (CNET Review to get you started). In the meantime, keep an eye out on Slickdeals for Sony's KDL - HX850 or HX950 series because they have been on sale lately and they are amazing TVs.

Also check out this Vizio as an alternative. Not much to say about Samsung aside from last year being a disappointment, especially when you consider the high price tag.

If you change your mind and want to explore Plasma TVs, this years crop of Panasonic and Samsung are all quiet good. The top of the line Panasonic ZT60 is on par with, if not better, then Kuros from a few years back. Obviously the price of the ZT60 a bit steep.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:07 PM

I'd actually disagree with that too.

The plasma I tried was a Panasonic plasma with active 3D, and I exchanged that for a Panasonic LED that's passive 3D.

Granted that's only two TVs, but I prefer the passive. The active 3D tired my eyes a lot faster than the passive, the crosstalk (double imaging of pop out effects) was worse on the active, and I'm not fond of 3D glasses that require batteries or recharging as you have to worry about them being dead the few times you get around to watching the limited 3D content out there.

It seems to be a too each, their own thing though as there is a ton of debate about which is "better" out there from what I gathered when researching TVs this winter.


When it comes to 3D its all subjective. You have to try it out yourself in your living room before you can make a decision as to what you like.

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#40 dmaul1114

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:17 PM

One more thing to note for Javery, is that this is a really lousy time of year to buy TVs for the most part.

The new year models have came out over the past couple of months, so prices are very high.

The best time of year to buy is January/February when there's a bunch of crazy sales as stores are trying to get rid of the prior year models before the new years hit.

For instance, I got my 55" Panasonic LED for $899.99 as I noted earlier. It has a list price of $1,899.99 and went for around $1,200-1,500 when it came out, and prices gradually dropped through the fall and hit bottom around spring.

You may be able to still find some previous year models on ok sales--I see Amazon has the one I bought back in stock again (it sold out at the $899 price) for $958.95.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:21 PM

One more thing to note for Javery, is that this is a really lousy time of year to buy TVs for the most part.

The new year models have came out over the past couple of months, so prices are very high.

The best time of year to buy is January/February when there's a bunch of crazy sales as stores are trying to get rid of the prior year models before the new years hit.

For instance, I got my 55" Panasonic LED for $899.99 as I noted earlier. It has a list price of $1,899.99 and went for around $1,200-1,500 when it came out, and prices gradually dropped through the fall and hit bottom around spring.

You may be able to still find some previous year models on ok sales--I see Amazon has the one I bought back in stock again (it sold out at the $899 price) for $958.95.


Completely agree, and told Javery as much the last time he was TV shopping. However, Best Buy has a sale in the Summer which sometimes yields some decent deals. This time a year price mistakes are usually your best bet for great deals.
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#42 dmaul1114

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:22 PM

Oh, and one more thing on plasmas that hasn't (I think) been mentioned--they aren't great in bright rooms. The high end models have filters on the screen which do help a lot. But they tend to be pretty reflective and washout a lot in sunlight or with a lot of lights on in the room. So that may be an issue if you watch during the day and can't easily control lighting in your media room/living room. Usually just a matter of getting some blackout blinds/curtains--but a major pain for people with skylights, floor to ceiling windows etc.

Wasn't a huge issue for me as I have a solid roll down blind on my balcony doors in the living room. I did hate having to close them to watch TV during the day though, as I hate losing my 21st story view. To be fair, my Panny LED isn't great with them open either as it has a glossy reflective screen too--but it doesn't totally washout like the Panny UT50 plasma did. Though that is their lower end model, and didn't have the filter that the higher end models do.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:37 PM

Oh, and one more thing on plasmas that hasn't (I think) been mentioned--they aren't great in bright rooms. The high end models have filters on the screen which do help a lot. But they tend to be pretty reflective and washout a lot in sunlight or with a lot of lights on in the room. So that may be an issue if you watch during the day and can't easily control lighting in your media room/living room. Usually just a matter of getting some blackout blinds/curtains--but a major pain for people with skylights, floor to ceiling windows etc.

Wasn't a huge issue for me as I have a solid roll down blind on my balcony doors in the living room. I did hate having to close them to watch TV during the day though, as I hate losing my 21st story view. To be fair, my Panny LED isn't great with them open either as it has a glossy reflective screen too--but it doesn't totally washout like the Panny UT50 plasma did. Though that is their lower end model, and didn't have the filter that the higher end models do.


Completely agreed.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:20 PM

Check it out in-store if you can. I find that even the expensive LEDs tend to have the soap opera effect.

Plasmas buzz but so do CRTs. LCDs are terrible for games and sports. Of course there are always exceptions to this.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:30 PM

Completely agree, and told Javery as much the last time he was TV shopping. However, Best Buy has a sale in the Summer which sometimes yields some decent deals. This time a year price mistakes are usually your best bet for great deals.


Oh, and one more thing on plasmas that hasn't (I think) been mentioned--they aren't great in bright rooms. The high end models have filters on the screen which do help a lot. But they tend to be pretty reflective and washout a lot in sunlight or with a lot of lights on in the room. So that may be an issue if you watch during the day and can't easily control lighting in your media room/living room. Usually just a matter of getting some blackout blinds/curtains--but a major pain for people with skylights, floor to ceiling windows etc.

Wasn't a huge issue for me as I have a solid roll down blind on my balcony doors in the living room. I did hate having to close them to watch TV during the day though, as I hate losing my 21st story view. To be fair, my Panny LED isn't great with them open either as it has a glossy reflective screen too--but it doesn't totally washout like the Panny UT50 plasma did. Though that is their lower end model, and didn't have the filter that the higher end models do.


Thanks guys - these are excellent points. I'm not sure I can wait until January/February but who knows. The addition on my house will be completely finished by the end of June (finally) and I'm going to have a giant blank wall where the TV will eventually go. I suppose I could just put my 42" plasma there in the meantime but I was planning on moving it to the bedroom. The room is VERY well lit - 6 full sized windows plus a transom on one other wall - so daytime viewing is definitely a concern. The old TV room was like a cave so I didn't have any issues with light in there. Someone needs to start a business where a truck will show up to your house one Saturday and they can let you test 4 or 5 TVs you are considering.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:35 PM

Check it out in-store if you can. I find that even the expensive LEDs tend to have the soap opera effect.

Plasmas buzz but so do CRTs. LCDs are terrible for games and sports. Of course there are always exceptions to this.


It's all in the eye of the beholder though. I've never seen the soap opera effect personally, and motion blur doesn't really bother me either. But again, I'm not remotely a videophile type so I don't go looking for that kind of stuff, nor do I try to educate myself on what a "reference" picture is etc. I just want a big screen for my games/shows/movies, and don't care beyond doing a quick picture adjustment with the Disney WoW calibration disc.

Anyway, every type of TV has some type of drawbacks, The best one can do is just check out a bunch of TVs before deciding, and order/buy somewhere with a great return/exchange policy in case you end up not liking it once you get it home.

I went with Amazon, free shipping and great (and painless) return policy when I exchanged the plasma for the LED (no fees, took away the plasma when they delivered the LED etc.) Just be sure to keep the box until you're for sure you're going to keep the set.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:15 AM

Wow I didn't know they had such a good return policy. Good to know.
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Posted 09 June 2013 - 12:48 PM

OK, I think I'm settled on a 70" TV - I laid it out on my TV wall and it looks great proportionately.  Now I need to decide on which one...

 

Although THIS plasma looks awesome but it's "only" 65-inches... I have a Panasonic plasma which I LOVE so this is why I'd be willing to go plasma again.



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Posted 09 June 2013 - 06:47 PM

If you don't need an ultra thin tv look into a DLP tv. They are amazing. I have a Mitsubishi 73'' DLP and it is awesome. You get more for the price as well. 

 

Definitely go in store, change the settings to normal (from super bright), and just watch. Make sure there is no soap opera effect. I hate watching LED tv's that have the soap opera effect especially for sports. It is really bothersome


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 07:48 PM

That TV looks awesome - especially the 82" model!  I do have to go with the ultra thin wall mount though for the WAF.



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 12:02 AM

Careful the ST series might be the one with high input lag.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 02:14 AM

First off, it's awesome that you'll be getting such a huge tv. I'm seriously jealous.

 

Secondly, check out this tv!: http://www.amazon.co...1&keywords=zt60

 

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 12:47 PM

Wow that thing sounds sweet.  It's a little out of my price range though.  I'm trying to keep it under $2.5K if I can.  If I need to wait until the fall for Black Friday or something I think I can wait it out though.... maybe.  I don't know - the renovation to my house has been not fun and the big TV purchase is the one thing I'm looking forward to...



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 11:28 PM

I recommend this site for A/V research and questions.  Tons of crazy videophiles and audiophiles there:  http://www.avsforum.com/f/



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:43 AM

I think plasmas definitely offer the best picture (bright colors, deep blacks, less glare, larger viewing angles, etc). But they also DEFNITELY consume a crap ton of energy. What some people may not think about with this is energy = heat. I'm sure the tech has gotten better since I got my 50" plasma in 2006, but back when my wife and I lived in a smaller apartment with baseboard heating, we actually went through a winter where we never had to use heat in the living room because just having the TV on was enough to keep things toasty in there, lol. Granted, this was in North Carolina, so it wasn't exactly frigid outside.

But I would imagine even the newer models still get hotter than LCD or LED. And yeah, plasmas weigh more...but that's not really a huge issue if you don't plan on moving it very often. Plasmas also tend to be more fragile due to the components inside (though mine has been moved in a truck four times since we've had it, and has survived just fine...yay Toshiba!). So, almost like with anything in life, there's a bit of a give and take. If you want the benefits of lower energy consumption and lighter weight, you'll be sacrificing a bit of picture quality. I can say though, if I was assessing the "negatives" with my plasma, none of it would have to do with its performance.

 

Quoting my own post to kick myself in the ass (or pat myself on the back depending on how you look at it). About a week ago, my above mentioned TV crapped out on me. The picture started having a random flash of black during viewing. At first, I thought it was just a glitch with Netflix, but then it happened during regular OTA viewing. The next day, the picture went out completely and started strobing a white frame every few seconds, accompanied by a ticking sound. I did some research to see if this was fixable, and was informed that the problem was a bad Y Sus board. I took the board out, had it repaired, but then had a vertical color band problem after putting it back in...which directed me to another bad board (though I found conflicting reports of which one it was). Ultimately, it started feeling like a rabbit hole situation, and I decided to let the TV go.

 

Living this past week with a single 26" TV (which doubles as my computer monitor) and a 10" tablet to keep myself, my wife, and our 18 month old daughter entertained has been horrible, lol. If that doesn't make you want to just cough up the money for a new TV, nothing will. So, after some intensive research over the span of 48 hours, I just ordered this:

 

http://www.amazon.co...ds=lg 60 plasma

 

Yes, yes. LG Plasma. Boo-urns! Panasonic is the only way to go! Blah blah.. Although it's fairly new, I've read several good things about this model. I hadn't ever really looked into 3D before (though I have several 3D Disney discs), so I went to Best Buy to see what I could try out. They had 3 3D models on the floor...only one of which was functional, and it was a passive 3D unit. They had the Panasonic TC-P60ST60, and the guy was telling me how amazing it was, and how it got a 5 star rating on CNET. Then, he remembers that for whatever reason, Panasonic disabled their 3D demo. Ok...

 

I went back home, looked into that TV a bit, and saw some reports of pretty bad input lag, despite the 5 star rating. So, like all of the TVs in this price range, it seems to have its issues as well...not to mention Amazon said it wouldn't ship for 1-2 months. So, I went with the LG because both my wife and I really liked the features and there seem to be plenty of people who really love the TV. Pretty excited for this unexpected upgrade.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:39 AM

http://news.consumer...plasma-tvs.html


If you're getting a TV for picture quality, nothing with beat plasma. It's just a fact at this point. All it depends on now is whether you want the image quality or the luxury of not having to work around IR.

 

I just purchased a 2012 GT50 Panasonic Plasma for about $800. I originally had a UT50 which had some problems but I returned it, got $125 credit, and used it towards an Amazon Warehouse deal where I got the normally $1500 TV for about $900.

 

The TV itself is beautiful and the blacks are milky smooth. I take breaks from gaming every hour or so but real burn-in doesn't happen until about 3 hours of straight playing with no breaks. Movies won't ever cause an issue but playing Mega Max X for too long left the health bar on the screen for nearly a week or so. It's gone now but it was a little scary for me at the time. Now I always make sure to take a break or two during marathon sessions. 

 

Heat however is also an issue as in the summer the rooms get stuffy and I need the AC running to keep things ventilated and cool. But to me, the little bit of hassle is totally worth the image quality because once I go over to other friend's homes, the quality is pretty noticeable. 

 

If you have the best picture quality of any TV currently on the market: http://reviews.cnet....7-35567247.html - There you go. See for yourself. If it's not in your price range, you can start budgeting yourself to see where you want to be.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:33 PM

Pretty excited for this unexpected upgrade.

 

Let us know how you like it.



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:50 AM

What downside is there to plasma, if any? How about use for video games? Which is better? I could be in the market for a larger TV (not 70", but I could see getting a 50" set) sometime in the next year or so.

Uses a lot more energy.



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 01:22 PM

 

What downside is there to plasma, if any? How about use for video games? Which is better? I could be in the market for a larger TV (not 70", but I could see getting a 50" set) sometime in the next year or so.

Uses a lot more energy.

 

And runs hot as hell - it makes a temperature difference in a small room.



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 02:12 PM

What downside is there to plasma, if any? How about use for video games? Which is better? I could be in the market for a larger TV (not 70", but I could see getting a 50" set) sometime in the next year or so.

Uses a lot more energy.

And runs hot as hell - it makes a temperature difference in a small room.

Unless you go Panasonic

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