Jump to content



Photo
- - - - -

So... which giant TV should I buy?


  • Please log in to reply
133 replies to this topic

#61 n8rockerasu

n8rockerasu

    Shhh...I'm Invisible

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:02 PM

 

 

What downside is there to plasma, if any? How about use for video games? Which is better? I could be in the market for a larger TV (not 70", but I could see getting a 50" set) sometime in the next year or so.

Uses a lot more energy.

 

And runs hot as hell - it makes a temperature difference in a small room.

 

 

That's one interesting thing about the LG I just bought. I read a review from somebody who said they had theirs on for about 10 hours and it was hardly warm to the touch. Sooo...fingers crossed that this is just a good one that not a lot of people are aware of yet. After learning from my wife that all that mattered to her was size (to which I responded "Hey...hey...but you said..." lol), I started looking at the size:cost ratios. And it seemed to me that once you go above 60", the price goes way up. Even for a 65" in the same product line it would be like $800-$1000 more. And after having paid $2,000 for that 50" 720p Toshiba back in 2006, I wasn't exactly dying to be at the bleeding edge of the tech anymore. Along with the reviews on Amazon, here's the thread that convinced me to go for the 60PH6700.

 

http://www.avsforum....plasma-60ph6700

 

Tuesday can't get here quick enough, haha. :bouncy:



#62 b3b0p

b3b0p

    Where's r0ckst34dy?

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:11 PM

I wouldn't touch an LCD witha 10 foot pole. 

 

Regarding plasma and image retention or burn-in if that's what you want to call it. Plasma's have a half life of 60,000-100,000 hours. Over time, it will smooth out and you won't notice anything. If you can't understand this than you must be living a pretty miserable life worried about such important things. 

 

I'd get the best damn plasma you can. Panasonic VT or whatever it is now-a-days. I have a VT-something I got on clearance when Ultimate Electronics was going down. I don't envision replacing it for 10 years. At least.



#63 n8rockerasu

n8rockerasu

    Shhh...I'm Invisible

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:13 AM

All right, so I have spent 2 full days with my new LG 60PH6700...and I gotta say, I'm loving what I've seen so far. Amazon used CEVA delivery which had 2 guys carry the TV into my apartment, unpackage it, set it up, and make sure everything was working properly. And the first thing I noticed was a very clear, crisp picture right out of the box with those beautifully vivid colors that plasmas are known for. It's also exceptionally fast. A simple press of the "Smart" button on the remote takes me to the "command center" where I can choose among my various inputs (3 HDMI, 1 component/composite, 3 USB), choose from all the different streaming apps (Netflix, Hulu Plus, MLB.tv, and even Redbox Instant...which surprised me...though I was prompted to do a system update immediately, so that might explain Redbox).

 

The Magic Remote this thing comes with is also pretty slick. It seriously makes for the most gloriously lazy channel surfing I've ever experienced in my life. It has a scroll wheel (similar to a PC mouse), which you can use to quickly flip through channels. You don't even have to point the damn thing at the TV. I was just lying on the couch like a bum barely moving my thumb and just flying through channels. You could be 99% paralyzed and still enjoy this TV, lol. It also has voice command features...not quite on the level of XBox One, but you can tell it what to search for on the internet or Youtube, and it does a fairly good job of pulling it up for you.

 

The 3D is pretty outstanding. From what I had read, that has been a strong suit of LG for awhile, and it does not disappoint here. The TV itself didn't come with any 3D glasses, but you don't have to spend the $50-80 for LG's brand. Any bluetooth pair will work. Samsung makes a $20 pair that uses a watch battery. Or, you can get a pair made by Sainsonic that has a rechargeable battery for $30 on Amazon (that's what I did). There are many different 3D options and modes, depending what your media demands. For instance, I played a bit of Crysis 2 in 3D on my Xbox 360, which asked for the "side by side" 3D mode. It was trippy as hell. The 3D looked great (though there was some ghosting. I didn't play long enough to figure out if it was the game/glasses/TV though), but if you got a notification or pulled up the guide, it would be split across the sides of the screen, haha. Really weird. Finding Nemo looked amazing in 3D though. I can see this being a huge treat for my daughter as she gets older.

 

Honestly, the only "negative" I've noticed so far is that there seems to be a reasonably large disparity in what "loud" is with the TV volume, depending on where your source is coming from. For instance, with OTA television, the sound is really quiet, and I have to put the volume to at least 30 to be able to watch. However, when I play a blu-ray on my PS3 via HDMI, 30 is loud as balls, and I have to turn it down to around 12. Not a huge deal, but that seems to be a fairly substantial gap. I read something about being able to adjust volume levels, but I haven't looked into it much yet. Not sure if that can be set according to input or what, but for now, it's just something I have to be mindful of.

 

Overall though, I think this TV is a great bargain considering everything you get. It's tough getting a good feel for a plasma during that "break in period" though. Since I've turned down the brightness and contrast, I find myself starting to think the picture isn't that good. Then, I change the settings back to "standard" and I'm like "Oh, that's so much better!" lol. Of course, for this reason, I've also had to limit my gaming and sports watching. It'll be nice when the TV gets stretched out and can really start to perform. But right now, with the deal Amazon has going on for this thing (2% back in Amazon credit, 24 months 0% financing, and the full service Amazon delivery), I feel like I got a great value..

 

In case anyone else is curious, here's some more reviews I found on it.

http://www.paulstv.c...6700-review.asp



#64 shrike4242

shrike4242

    Not My Job Anymore, Go Bother Someone Else.

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:22 PM

I wouldn't touch an LCD witha 10 foot pole. 

 

Regarding plasma and image retention or burn-in if that's what you want to call it. Plasma's have a half life of 60,000-100,000 hours. Over time, it will smooth out and you won't notice anything. If you can't understand this than you must be living a pretty miserable life worried about such important things. 

 

I'd get the best damn plasma you can. Panasonic VT or whatever it is now-a-days. I have a VT-something I got on clearance when Ultimate Electronics was going down. I don't envision replacing it for 10 years. At least.

And I wouldn't touch plasma with a 10 foot pole, so we're balancing that out. ;)



#65 dmaul1114

dmaul1114

Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:07 AM

And I wouldn't touch plasma with a 10 foot pole, so we're balancing that out. ;)

 

Same here.  Though I tried twice as I said in my earlier posts.  Was drove nuts by buzzing and IR both times.  Though as I said I think I'm just unfortunate and have ears sensitive to hearing that frequency of buzzing, and maybe the IR issues would have improved with more than a month of usage as apparently that gets better with age.

 

Anyway, don't really care.  Never been a videophile, never will be one.  So I'll always opt for a set that doesn't annoy me with buzzing and gives me piece of mind about IR over picture quality every day of the week since I don't have the nerd knowledge to appreciate better PQ anyway.  I just need something to display movies, TV and games and don't care how close to "reference" it is.


3DS Friend Code: 2595-0524-8826

Bluray Collection
DVD Collection


#66 kill3r7

kill3r7

    MiNd ThE GaP

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:38 AM

I wouldn't touch an LCD witha 10 foot pole.

Regarding plasma and image retention or burn-in if that's what you want to call it. Plasma's have a half life of 60,000-100,000 hours. Over time, it will smooth out and you won't notice anything. If you can't understand this than you must be living a pretty miserable life worried about such important things.

I'd get the best damn plasma you can. Panasonic VT or whatever it is now-a-days. I have a VT-something I got on clearance when Ultimate Electronics was going down. I don't envision replacing it for 10 years. At least.

ZT60 is what you want but they are slightly overpriced and at the end of the day Plasmas do not do well in a bright room.

All the talk about 4K is pointless. OLED is the better tech and will ultimately prove to be the dominant TV... in about 10 years. That said, the jump in image quality won't be as great as 1080p. Due to various technological obstacles such as the avg cable provider, who has a hard time providing a steady 1080p signal let alone giving you 4K.
Xecutioner
CML

#67 Javery

Javery

    Drug-Dealer-Keeper-Awayer

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:52 AM

For all of you LCD people, how is the off-axis viewing?  I don't like having to sit directly across from the TV in order to see the picture.



--- Bella's Arcade --- Donkey Kong + ---
___________________



#68 kill3r7

kill3r7

    MiNd ThE GaP

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:53 AM

For all of you LCD people, how is the off-axis viewing? I don't like having to sit directly across from the TV in order to see the picture.

Not really an issue anymore, especially at your price range. Obviously not as good as a plasma TV but much improved.

http://http://www.te...ng_a_hdtv_.html
Xecutioner
CML

#69 Javery

Javery

    Drug-Dealer-Keeper-Awayer

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:31 PM

I'm so confused!

 

I want a large TV (70"+ but I'm willing to go to 65" for the largest plasma) but there are so many pros and cons to just about every set.  I've been very happy with my plasma so I'm leaning towards that and even though it will be hanging in a bright room, no one ever really watches TV in my house during the day.  It was also never a problem on my current TV (but this is for a different room since the old room no longer exists).  I'm not a PQ nerd but I do want it to look nice.



--- Bella's Arcade --- Donkey Kong + ---
___________________



#70 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 28 June 2013 - 03:55 PM

About to post something for you.

 

http://shop.panasoni...odel/TC-P65ZT60

 

http://shop.panasoni...odel/TC-P65VT60

 
Get either one of these!


First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#71 dmaul1114

dmaul1114

Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:03 PM

For all of you LCD people, how is the off-axis viewing?  I don't like having to sit directly across from the TV in order to see the picture.

 

Agreed.  Very little difference I can notice in the 55" Panny LED set I have now vs the 55" Panny plasma I tried first.  Mostly moot for me as it's in a small room where the couch directly in front is the only place to sit anyway. 

 

But I can see it from the open kitchen when cooking or the breakfast bar when eating, and both sets are perfectly viewable from those angles--probably between 35 to 45 degrees off center I'd guess.


3DS Friend Code: 2595-0524-8826

Bluray Collection
DVD Collection


#72 shrike4242

shrike4242

    Not My Job Anymore, Go Bother Someone Else.

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:51 PM

Same here.  Though I tried twice as I said in my earlier posts.  Was drove nuts by buzzing and IR both times.  Though as I said I think I'm just unfortunate and have ears sensitive to hearing that frequency of buzzing, and maybe the IR issues would have improved with more than a month of usage as apparently that gets better with age.

 

Anyway, don't really care.  Never been a videophile, never will be one.  So I'll always opt for a set that doesn't annoy me with buzzing and gives me piece of mind about IR over picture quality every day of the week since I don't have the nerd knowledge to appreciate better PQ anyway.  I just need something to display movies, TV and games and don't care how close to "reference" it is.

That's the same experience I've had with plasma, which is why I've avoided them. 

 

I know that my 55LE8500 with its full backlit/non-edge backlight has some amazing black levels that would give some plasmas a run for its money, though it's replacement will be an expensive process if it goes out, in or outside of warranty.    Full backlit sets are rare, though it seems that vendors are getting much better with edge lighting when they couple it with good local dimming.

 

Plenty of middle-to-low-end sets out there for people that don't need bleeding edge for black levels or PQ.  If it looks good to you, that's all that matters.



#73 dmaul1114

dmaul1114

Posted 28 June 2013 - 06:06 PM

Yep.  My Panny 55" LED (ET5 series) is fine for my needs.  It's edge lit, so there is some light bleeding around the corners on total black screens etc., but it's almost never noticeable to me when watching--just on black loading screens etc.  But some people really notice that and get driven nuts by it.

 

And yep, all that matters is finding something you like.  Videophiles on sites like AVS have hobbies of getting as close to reference black levels, colors etc. as possible, and that's fine.  I just don't care about that stuff.  I just care about having a big screen, a picture that looks good to my non-picky eyes and a set from a reputable brand like Panansonic or Sony.


3DS Friend Code: 2595-0524-8826

Bluray Collection
DVD Collection


#74 Javery

Javery

    Drug-Dealer-Keeper-Awayer

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 28 June 2013 - 06:46 PM

 

About to post something for you.

 

http://shop.panasoni...odel/TC-P65ZT60

 

http://shop.panasoni...odel/TC-P65VT60

 
Get either one of these!

 

I think these are supposed to have pretty bad lag which would suck for video games.  I play a fair amount of Rock Band which is the only game it would really matter for but still.



--- Bella's Arcade --- Donkey Kong + ---
___________________



#75 b3b0p

b3b0p

    Where's r0ckst34dy?

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 29 June 2013 - 03:09 AM

I've had my share of top end LCD displays. LCD looks fine and nice all. They are bright and colorful for the most part. Some even have a certain pop, but they don't seem to be able to produce the same richness and smoothness as a decent plasma. Image retention or burn-in or whatever you want to call it is bull honkey. The displays have like a half life of 60,000-100,000+ hours. Over time it works it self out. 



#76 Rage Goblin

Rage Goblin

    The Hardest of Core

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 29 June 2013 - 10:54 AM

Modern high-end TV shopping is the worst.

 

A couple years ago I did a bunch of research to try and upgrade a six year old 55" Bravia 1080p LCD.  As has been said in this thread, there are so many pros and cons to every set.  Black levels, color levels, input lag, image retention, 3d, "smart" features, blah blah blah.  Fuck, man, I just want a TV.  I have $2500.  Give me the best screen for games without all the bullshit I'm never going to use.  I ended up not getting anything because it was just impossible to know if whatever set was what I actually wanted and if it performed well for games.

 

I'm in the same boat again, thinking about upgrading in prep for next-gen, and threads like this are full of wildly differing opinions.



#77 dmaul1114

dmaul1114

Posted 29 June 2013 - 04:29 PM

Just of look at a bunch of sets yourself and buy somewhere with a good exchange/return policy.

All that matters is what works for you in your viewing room in your home. I found internet threads useless as well. Too many fanboys for one type of tech, videophiles far pickier about picture quality than me etc.

I just checked out a bunch of tvs in local stores. Read some professional reviews and ordered from amazon as their return policy is great.

3DS Friend Code: 2595-0524-8826

Bluray Collection
DVD Collection


#78 n8rockerasu

n8rockerasu

    Shhh...I'm Invisible

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 29 June 2013 - 05:38 PM

Yeah, to add on to that statement, this is basically how your TV shopping should go:

 

1. Decide what features matter the most to you and prioritize them. Figure out what you're willing to compromise on, and what is non-negotiable.

 

2. Find 4-5 TVs that do what you're looking for and read reviews on them. Make sure none of them have legitimate PROBLEMS that interfere with YOUR viewing experience (input lag, bad glare, low viewing angle, etc)

 

3. Ignore exaggerations, statements of personal preference, or "issues" with simple solutions.

 

4. By this point, you've probably narrowed it down pretty well, and whatever choices you are left with should serve you just fine. At this point, it's just a matter of choosing which one you like the best...since you're probably looking at two TVs that will perform mostly the same anyway.



#79 XxFuRy2Xx

XxFuRy2Xx

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 29 June 2013 - 06:40 PM

Another piece of advice that might help: go check out a local specialty hdtv shop, take your favorite blu-ray movie and ask them to pop it in and view it on some of the tvs you're considering to see if you like what you see. Hell, some might even be willing to let you see what gaming is like on the sets they have.


Please check out my channel: Alan Bytes Back!

MyAnimeList


#80 n8rockerasu

n8rockerasu

    Shhh...I'm Invisible

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:05 PM

Another piece of advice that might help: go check out a local specialty hdtv shop, take your favorite blu-ray movie and ask them to pop it in and view it on some of the tvs you're considering to see if you like what you see. Hell, some might even be willing to let you see what gaming is like on the sets they have.

 

In general, this is good advice. But at the same time, there are so many different types and models and sizes and brands of TVs out there now, you might have a hard time finding what you're looking for. I know going to Best Buy before hand really didn't do much for me in terms of helping me make a decision. The only information that provided me with was "there are lots of different TVs and they all look pretty good", lol. I definitely feel better being able to see something in person before buying it...but having good, honest user reviews goes a long way for me as well.



#81 dmaul1114

dmaul1114

Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:49 PM

The thing to do is do some research online first to try and narrow it down to a handful of models to consider, then see if those are available to see locally so you can check them out in person.

 

But honestly, Amazon's return/exchange process is so painless I probably won't bother in the future and just take a chance on the one I decide to go with based on reviews etc. since it's so easy to swap it out if I end up not liking it.  Ended up doing that anyway with the plasma since the buzzing drove me nuts at home, but wasn't audible over all the noise in the store.


3DS Friend Code: 2595-0524-8826

Bluray Collection
DVD Collection


#82 axlrose4183

axlrose4183

Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:29 PM

I'm about to buy a passive 3d LED tv.  It will be my first 3D tv, so does this change regular tv to 3D also if you want?  I've never even tried 3D in a home setup before, just at movies.  Thanks


axlrose4183.png


#83 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 30 June 2013 - 08:12 PM

2d on TV. 3d on movies with 3d blu ray and player and glasses.

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#84 n8rockerasu

n8rockerasu

    Shhh...I'm Invisible

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 30 June 2013 - 09:44 PM

Some TVs have a 2D -> 3D converter option. Not sure if passive sets have it...and I can't even say how well it works because I haven't tried it out on my set either.



#85 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 01 July 2013 - 02:49 AM

Some TVs have a 2D -> 3D converter option. Not sure if passive sets have it...and I can't even say how well it works because I haven't tried it out on my set either.


I've really only ever heard of LGs having that, and they are passive. It's really not that good considering you have to wear glasses.

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#86 n8rockerasu

n8rockerasu

    Shhh...I'm Invisible

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:15 AM

I've really only ever heard of LGs having that, and they are passive. It's really not that good considering you have to wear glasses.

 

Not sure if I'm just misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but you have to wear glasses whether the 3D is passive or active. Passive is just polarized lenses like you get at the movie theater. Active is the battery operated "alternating shutter" glasses. And LG switched to active this year...at least for their plasma line anyway.



#87 dmaul1114

dmaul1114

Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:01 PM

Yeah, passive sets can do the 2D to 3D conversion--active vs. passive has nothing to do with that.  My Panasonic passive set has the feature--it's not nearly as good as stuff that's really in 3D of course.  I never use it personally.

 

As for passive vs. active, the Panny plasma I tried first was active, and the LED one I ended up with is passive. I prefer the passive.  My eyes don't get tired as fast, and it's nice to not have to worry with batteries.  I don't watch much 3D stuff anyway, just the occasional 3D Bluray or documentary I tape of the DirecTV 3D channel.


3DS Friend Code: 2595-0524-8826

Bluray Collection
DVD Collection


#88 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:44 PM

Not sure if I'm just misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but you have to wear glasses whether the 3D is passive or active. Passive is just polarized lenses like you get at the movie theater. Active is the battery operated "alternating shutter" glasses. And LG switched to active this year...at least for their plasma line anyway.


I knew exactly what you meant.

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#89 TooMuchCoolness

TooMuchCoolness

    Deep Ass Gamer

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 01 July 2013 - 05:23 PM

Don't TVs bigger than 50' have longer input delay when gaming? 


NighT_Ryder31.png

 


#90 kill3r7

kill3r7

    MiNd ThE GaP

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:21 PM

Although not big enough for your purposes, Sony Bravia KDL55HX750 is on sale for $1099.95, lowest price ever on Amazon. A very good TV especially at that price. 


Xecutioner
CML