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Supreme Court Holds That Section 4 Of The Voting Rights Act is Unconstitutional


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#31 egofed

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 05:47 PM

So... if getting a photo ID is such a horribly impossible task for some of society's most venerable members, why are we trying to create laws that will make it so that these poorest, weakest members of society *also* won't be able to exercise their Second Amendment, Constitutionally Guaranteed rights?

Good point, Bob. Equal application of policy is all we should truly expect from gov't. Either we allow restrictions on rights or not.



#32 MSI Magus

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:21 PM

I'm pro life. I guess I'm crazy for expecting people to have enough self control, responsibility, and common sense to A)abstain from sex or use a condom, B)take care of their own children that they brought into this world without expecting money from strangers, and C)not decide the point that a life is a human just because it suits their selfish needs. Here's an idea I've been forming over the past few days:

 

 

I never can tell if conservatives are trolls or real people. I mean I used to assume all of you were trolls...now though the party is just so crazy you cant tell anymore. Ill assume your a real person for a moment though........

 

You have proven on both issues why you are a conservative. Because you cant see outside your own world view. Your world works that way so everyone elses must too! You and Bob cant see where voter ID could be difficult for someone nor can you understand a poor 17 year old with shit parents(or hell even a poor 25 year old with shit parents)looking at their life and deciding they dont want the same pain for the child forming in them. You cant understand that level of pain and misery and even if you can you are tough enough to suck it up and deal with it, so gosh darn it so should they! I wont pretend I fully understand their pain, but I am at least not the person to play god and sit in judgement of them. I am instead a person who looks sadly at their situation and would like to do things to change it, not just demmand they follow my personal moral code or else(as you clearly would). What they do is wrong, but society forcing them into that position is equally wrong. I accept both and my blame in both. You, choose to live in an egofed bubble.

 

Parents abused you and left you with psychological issues? Suck it up!

Grew up in an area where the school system failed you? This is America thats your own fault!

Baby coming, no daddy in sight and your Christian mom and dad disowned you? Should have kept some asprin between those legs hussy!
80 years old and living on goverment assitance after a life of hard labor! To bad granny you can find the time, money and physical abilty to get a voter id.

 

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#33 Access_Denied

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:29 PM

The devil's in the details. Here in Texas, our Voter ID law that was struck down less than a year ago did not accept Student IDs or Social Security cards. Expired gun permits from other states were an acceptable ID though.

 

I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that. 

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but it makes perfect sense. School IDs are not government regulated (especially if it's a private school) and Social Security cards have no photo, so they're pretty piss poor at actually identifying someone. 

 

As for the expired gun permits, I have no idea why they would accept those. Gun permits sure, as they're government regulated, but why they would be willing to take expired ones is beyond me.



#34 UncleBob

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:30 PM

You and Bob cant see where voter ID could be difficult for someone nor can you understand a poor 17 year old with shit parents(or hell even a poor 25 year old with shit parents)looking at their life and deciding they dont want the same pain for the child forming in them.


I don't know why you'd lump me in to that last half, as I've *NEVER* held that viewpoint that you're trying to attach to me.

And I understand that there are some cases where someone might have trouble obtaining an ID - but those same cases apply no matter if the person wants to vote or wants to own a firearm.
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#35 Purple Flames

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 05:13 PM

UPDATE: Looks like the feds stepped in and The Justice Department is asking the Texas courts to reinstate the Voting Rights Act. Hopefully they do something here in NC soon: http://thinkprogress...s-act-in-texas/



#36 speedracer

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:18 PM

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but it makes perfect sense. School IDs are not government regulated (especially if it's a private school) and Social Security cards have no photo, so they're pretty piss poor at actually identifying someone. 

 

As for the expired gun permits, I have no idea why they would accept those. Gun permits sure, as they're government regulated, but why they would be willing to take expired ones is beyond me.

 

I was being sarcastic about why Texas would accept expired gun permits. We all know exactly why they would. Because we're Texas and guns are basically Jesus so who cares if it's expired? 

 

There's this built in, absolute truth on the right right now that there is literally zero to stop voter fraud built into the system. That's crazy. There's quite a bit built into it. But even then, the most obvious and easy route to voter fraud is absentee ballots (since that not only doesn't require any ID, but who the effing hell knows at all where it came from?).

 

Can someone who pretends to care about this issue explain to me why Republicans NEVER EVER EVER go after this obvious low hanging fruit and make it much more difficult or outright ban it altogether? One of the biggest memes is dead people voting. OMG CHICAGO POLITICS DEAD PEOPLE etc. Dead people don't show up at the polls. They mail in ballots. 

 

You know, I just tried to answer my own question. I read a debate on US News with three people arguing that vote fraud is a problem. Each one of them singled out absentee ballots. Then I went to the Republican National Lawyers Association's fraud "heat map" website to read about all their fraud instances. Guess what virtually every single one is? Absentee ballot fraud. 

 

Editor's note: The "other" frauds were almost exclusively politicians faking signatures to get them on the ballots. So certainly not the type of fraud that we're all imagining when we're talking about voter fraud. 

 

 

 

Just when it didn't seem possible that North Carolina's election laws could get more restrictive, the Republican majority has come up with a massive bill that would make it even harder for people to vote. Using the excuse that they are trying to combat voter fraud, the Republicans want to perpetrate an even greater fraud on North Carolina voters under the guise of restoring 'confidence in government.'

That's from the dumb liberals at the Libertarian Party about the bill going through in NC right now. 


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#37 UncleBob

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:54 PM

Aren't Libertarians just Republicans, but more stupid?
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#38 speedracer

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:58 PM

Aren't Libertarians just Republicans, but more stupid?

 

Republicans pretty damned regularly pass rules to suppress Libertarian candidates from appearing on the ballot. I wonder why they do that. 


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#39 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:31 PM

Republicans pretty damned regularly pass rules to suppress Libertarian candidates from appearing on the ballot. I wonder why they do that. 

Because libertarians are isolationists. We want to make 'merica more vulnerable to terrorists, big corporations to control the government and poor people to stay poor. Just ask any liberal here, they know.