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#31 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 05:18 AM

South Africa has a black majority, yet it was white South Africans were the ones that instituted apartheid. The same applies to Native Americans and European Christian fundamentalists decided that they would just steal what they wanted because they knew better than those "savages."

If numbers and inhabiting a space were that important, then no settlement, village, town, city, state, province, prefecture, country, or continent would've been conquered EVER. No amount of passive-voice bullshit will change the fact that whites became "dominant" through killing, raping, pillaging, and enslaving their way from the Atlantic to the Pacific coast and even further. Even using your argument that it was whites that created this country, you can't deny the fact that the framework they created heavily favored white males of certain socio-economic backgrounds. When someone wrote "...all men are created equal," they didn't mean mankind. They sure as hell weren't talking about women, African slaves, or male Native Americans and that same framework still exists today.

I still do not understand what this has to do with my reply to finger's post.

Sure sounds like you're doing pretty good on the commodities market. It's not like the value of precious metals ever crashed, right?
Btw, your selective amnesia must've kicked in because all the things I listed were things conservatives bashed Obama on.

Crashed lately? No. They have dropped in value as the stocks are getting stronger. Yet historically gold and silver has been increasing significantly in value.

 

Maybe I had too many beers but I am not sure what things you listed were criticized by the conservatives. You mean the stock market and savings accounts?

Confirmed: you're doing better under Obama than Bush.

I am enlightened.

Shouldn't, couldn't, wouldn't, but it does and it looks like you're all for denying equal rights to same-sex couples as if they can't love and commit to each other like straight couples do. 

Where did I say that I want to deny them their rights? Where do you even get this shit from?

You don't get to call foul when your ideological representatives were crying socialism and communism everytime Obama wanted to go in a different direction than Bush. But tell me, how do you feel about the Tea Party.

Oh you mean universal healthcare sponsored by a federal government is not a form of socialism? How about secret spying on citizens who did not commit a crime? How about killing Americans citizens without a trial? Oops your right, its called a dictatorship. My bad!

LOLZ@you for not understanding how those programs work and why they were created.

When I lived in Sacramento there was a huge Ukrainian community. Most of those people collected some sort of benefit from the state or the feds. Most of them were relatively new in this county and so far have done nothing to deserve such care. The ones I went to school with criticized Americans for being dumb and fat. They may partially be right because all we do is give people the handouts when instead we should be creating opportunities to prosper.

So you want me to dig through 60+ pages of old posts for evidence of racism without you defining what it is? No fucking thanks. How about this: I'll post one for every post of mine you find that's "racist."

Fine, don't dig. Just stop bringing up race everytime there is an issue like you did in this thread on the second page.

Find me the results of a similar poll done in the pre-Civil Rights Act Era and post the results here. Yes, they exist. I dare ya. I double dog dare ya.

You know I would like to but that stuff is ancient. This stuff is from today. I think we live in today's day and not you know..last century.



#32 Finger_Shocker

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 05:48 AM

Sorry guys, but no matter where a white man decides to settle

 

He will not be lynched

He will not have a cross burned at his house

He will not have a bunch of guys in "black robes" stand in front of his house

He will never be segregated

etc

etc

etc.

 

Farking christ you should bring a white guy to China or any Asian country, it would be like a king stepped off the plane..

Farking even throw a white guy into Africa, he will be seen as some new foreigner and be treated with dignity

 

What did the white man do when he first landed in the New World?  Funny how the natives welcomed them with open arms only to be stabbed in the back and have their land and women pillaged..

The natives even fed those ignorant pilgrams who would have starved to death in the New Land, guess what those pilgrams ( WHITE ) eventually do to their hosts

 

Look I ain't going to say all whites are evil, but you have to admit the whites haven't been the most welcoming of any race...



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 06:03 AM

Yes, the whites do make more laws than anybody else but its because they are the dominant race. They have been here longer than almost anyone else. In a few years the whites will be a minority and I am afraid we will still have these silly laws and regulations. Race does not dictate the types of laws that pass but instead the character itself does.

 

I am not sure what you mean by your statement in regards to abortion. If your trying to compare humans to animals than that would be wrong as we, humans are much more intelligent.

 

You do know why people think your a borderline racist right?

 

To anyone with a functional brain that statement basically mean WHITE people have far more "character" then minorities and you are AFRAID when white people become the minority that all the work whites have done will be destroyed by these "uncharacter" non-whites



#34 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 06:44 AM

You do know why people think your a borderline racist right?

 

To anyone with a functional brain that statement basically mean WHITE people have far more "character" then minorities and you are AFRAID when white people become the minority that all the work whites have done will be destroyed by these "uncharacter" non-whites

Allow me to clarify myself then. Whites are a dominant race here in US when it comes population, power, politics and wealth. Nonetheless we still have shitty laws and regulations. We also have a black president who keeps continuing the oppressive politics of his predecessors. So in conclusion race does not play a role here, the politics are in fact determined by the individuals who are passing these laws.

 

Now back to what you are saying. How you go from what I say to white people having more character and me being afraid of whites being toppled just absolutely baffles me. You just took it too far with your demented hate of conservatives and pin it on people in this forum. If I was you I would delete the account and rethink the rest of my life because my god man, you need some sort of salvation.



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:50 PM

I still do not understand what this has to do with my reply to finger's post.

Not the first time I stumped you.
 

Crashed lately? No. They have dropped in value as the stocks are getting stronger. Yet historically gold and silver has been increasing significantly in value.

Yeah, cause we all know that commodities are immune from having their value manipulated.
 

Maybe I had too many beers but I am not sure what things you listed were criticized by the conservatives. You mean the stock market and savings accounts?

Yeah...tell me more about how conservatives weren't trying to rack him with cries about job losses, unemployment, and a shitty stock market for the first 4.5 years in office. Let's see how much of an ideologue you are.
 

Where did I say that I want to deny them their rights? Where do you even get this shit from?

We've already established that you think that federal benefits for same-sex married couples is a crock of shit and that straight couples are currently getting those benefits. In matter of fact, I don't think you even know what those benefits are if you're saying that NO ONE should be able to have them, which makes me :rofl:
 

Oh you mean universal healthcare sponsored by a federal government is not a form of socialism?

The US does not have anything close to resembling a universal healthcare system nor nationalized healthcare system unless you're a member of the military, which is inaccessible to the general public.
 

How about secret spying on citizens who did not commit a crime? How about killing Americans citizens without a trial? Oops your right, its called a dictatorship. My bad!

Do you honestly think these things only happened in the last 2 administrations? If anything, this administration has fulfilled it's promise of being more transparent whether it was intentional or not. You're confusing technological advances in communication with paranoia. The things you're so surprised about can be applied to every single president we've had. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE. Is it ok? Of course not, but your small mindedness results in dropping most of the responsibility Obama, rather than the systems that create an environment to make these circumstances possible. Easier to trot out nebulous concepts and rhetoric than to actually THINK, I suppose.
 

When I lived in Sacramento there was a huge Ukrainian community. Most of those people collected some sort of benefit from the state or the feds. Most of them were relatively new in this county and so far have done nothing to deserve such care. The ones I went to school with criticized Americans for being dumb and fat. They may partially be right because all we do is give people the handouts when instead we should be creating opportunities to prosper.

Cutting off all social safety nets=creating opportunities to prosper. Yeah, that really worked well throughout the history of civilization.
 

Fine, don't dig. Just stop bringing up race everytime there is an issue like you did in this thread on the second page.

Now you got me pissed.

If you want me to go dumpster diving into three moronic shitholes that pass for post histories to dig for something you haven't defined so you can have an out, you must think you're talking to someone as dumb as yourself. Your rhetoric doesn't fool me or anyone else here.

Deal is YOU post ONE; I post ONE. I'm not going to go on a fishing expedition because you're insecure about the size of your e-penis that you try to substitute for your brain.
 
 

You know I would like to but that stuff is ancient. This stuff is from today. I think we live in today's day and not you know..last century.

If public opinion hasn't changed in 75 years, what does that indicate to you?

Oh and FUCKING EL OH EL at history not mattering when in another paragraph to talk about how my posting history matters. You're a joke.
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#36 UncleBob

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:54 PM

Oh, oh... post the one where he said it was racism for posting the animated .gif of MJ eating popcorn. I'd love to hear his real explaination for that one. :D
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#37 willardhaven

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 05:19 PM

How many times are you going to argue this Bob? Democrats suck. We get it, but Republicans are worse for everyone who is not rich. I vote third party but you have to realize that arguing for a party that is worse than the Dems is not the best course of action.

 

We've been on a Republican trajectory for 30+ years. Why not try moving in another direction?

 

Edit: It looks like the post I was responding to disappeared. I should have quoted.


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#38 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 07:24 PM

Not the first time I stumped you.

I do not know how to respond to something that is off topic.

 

 

Yeah, cause we all know that commodities are immune from having their value manipulated.

Stock market isn't? I am sure you would agree with me that it does get manipulated which would then lead me to ask why would you even bring it up then?

 

 

Yeah...tell me more about how conservatives weren't trying to rack him with cries about job losses, unemployment, and a shitty stock market for the first 4.5 years in office. Let's see how much of an ideologue you are.

Funny how you keep pinning one me what others have said. Pretty sure I made point clear to everyone in this forum that I blame republicans just as much as I blame democrats for the mess we are in. The problem with Obama is that he does not go in different direction and continues failed economic policies of his predecessors.

 

 

We've already established that you think that federal benefits for same-sex married couples is a crock of shit and that straight couples are currently getting those benefits. In matter of fact, I don't think you even know what those benefits are if you're saying that NO ONE should be able to have them, which makes me :rofl:

I do not know all of them, sure. I am not going to deny that or pretend like I am some sort of an expert. What you keep missing is the principle. We should not give someone a set of extra benefits based on class or group.

 

 

The US does not have anything close to resembling a universal healthcare system nor nationalized healthcare system unless you're a member of the military, which is inaccessible to the general public.

People also say that US is a free country which is untrue. It might not be a true nationalized healthcare system and yet it keeps moving in that direction. You can not expect things to drastically change overnight. The difference between you and me is that I actually see what is going to happen in the future at the rate were going and you do not.

 

 

Do you honestly think these things only happened in the last 2 administrations? If anything, this administration has fulfilled it's promise of being more transparent whether it was intentional or not. You're confusing technological advances in communication with paranoia. The things you're so surprised about can be applied to every single president we've had. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE. Is it ok? Of course not, but your small mindedness results in dropping most of the responsibility Obama, rather than the systems that create an environment to make these circumstances possible. Easier to trot out nebulous concepts and rhetoric than to actually THINK, I suppose.

If you read some of my previous posts then you would realize that I have been saying this has been happening long before Obama and Bush. Just because this administration is more transparent than the previous one does not make it transparent. If you find me paranoid then oh boy do you need to go read huffingtonpost.com and see how they feel about the NSA and drone strikes. And again you keep claiming that I only blame Obama when I blame many others before him. Please go read some of my posts before making silly claims like that again. 

 

 

Cutting off all social safety nets=creating opportunities to prosper. Yeah, that really worked well throughout the history of civilization.

Oh my there we go again, putting words into my mouth. By creating opportunities I am talking about job growth, innovation and training. What do you think is going to happen when you keep handing a drug addicts more drugs? Do you expect them to get clean? This is what happening with many of citizens who only get handouts instead of a helping hand. Keep in mind that I am open to helping others as I have numerously stated but is is best if it is done through a private sector. More efficiency and less waste. Just look at all the great projects from churches or charities, they had done more good than the government.

Now you got me pissed.

If you want me to go dumpster diving into three moronic shitholes that pass for post histories to dig for something you haven't defined so you can have an out, you must think you're talking to someone as dumb as yourself. Your rhetoric doesn't fool me or anyone else here.

Deal is YOU post ONE; I post ONE. I'm not going to go on a fishing expedition because you're insecure about the size of your e-penis that you try to substitute for your brain.

Oh no! Is Dohdough mad? I am glad we reached that point where I clearly see that you are not ready to be on these forums. You cannot debate, you cannot argue your points and you only insult. Funny this whole time I held you in much higher regard.

 

 

If public opinion hasn't changed in 75 years, what does that indicate to you? Oh and FUCKING EL OH EL at history not mattering when in another paragraph to talk about how my posting history matters. You're a joke.
 

You are quite amusing. When I brought up historical examples in previous arguments, you would always dismiss them and now you quickly change your position. Typical.



#39 UncleBob

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 08:21 PM

Willard - I don't know if you're talking about someone else's post or what - but as far as I can tell, all of my posts are still there. I haven't deleted anything and I thought the ability for users to delete their own posts was removed in the newest forums. I haven't received any notifications that I've been moderated either.

But to your point, as I've said many times before, I don't care for Republicans or Democrats. I've never voted for a Republican in a Federal election and have rarely voted for Democrats in them. Just because I rage against Democrats here and now (which is because they're the ones in office *and* folks here seem to defend them so much) doesn't mean I <3 Republicans. I don't believe in the "Us vs. Them" dynamic that so many here swear by.

I agree, we do need to move in another direction - But Republican vs. Republican Lite isn't really the direction I believe we need to move towards.
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 09:06 PM

Willard - I don't know if you're talking about someone else's post or what - but as far as I can tell, all of my posts are still there. I haven't deleted anything and I thought the ability for users to delete their own posts was removed in the newest forums. I haven't received any notifications that I've been moderated either.

But to your point, as I've said many times before, I don't care for Republicans or Democrats. I've never voted for a Republican in a Federal election and have rarely voted for Democrats in them. Just because I rage against Democrats here and now (which is because they're the ones in office *and* folks here seem to defend them so much) doesn't mean I <3 Republicans. I don't believe in the "Us vs. Them" dynamic that so many here swear by.

I agree, we do need to move in another direction - But Republican vs. Republican Lite isn't really the direction I believe we need to move towards.

 

Perhaps I was reading one of your posts in another thread. I just thought you edited it out. These days all of the threads tend to devolve into the usual back & forth so it's possible I was just mixed up.

 

I'm going to agree with your last point. Though I take issue with the libertarian ideology you seem to subscribe to because it's just more Republican than Republicans.


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#41 UncleBob

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 09:10 PM

Parts of it are, yes. A lot of it depends on who the individual Libertarian is. For the most part, though, I tend to favor fiscal conservatism, social liberalism with a smartly regulated marketplace.
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#42 dohdough

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:48 AM

I do not know how to respond to something that is off topic.

Sure you do. You go off-topic ALL THE DAMN TIME because I always follow you down the rabbit hole to see what kind of pseudo-intellectual junkfood you want to serve up. 
 

Stock market isn't? I am sure you would agree with me that it does get manipulated which would then lead me to ask why would you even bring it up then?
 
Funny how you keep pinning one me what others have said. Pretty sure I made point clear to everyone in this forum that I blame republicans just as much as I blame democrats for the mess we are in. The problem with Obama is that he does not go in different direction and continues failed economic policies of his predecessors.

YOU were the one that made the statement that we're so much worse under Obama and by using the metrics that conservatives were trying to beat him up on since the was inaugurated, it's obvious that we are FAR better off now than when Bush left office.

Secondly, you DON'T blame republicans as much as you blame democrats and Obama. There are a few libertarians on Vs. that don't go into the LIEberals and democRAT bullshit and you ain't one of them.
 

I do not know all of them, sure. I am not going to deny that or pretend like I am some sort of an expert. What you keep missing is the principle. We should not give someone a set of extra benefits based on class or group.

But you DO pretend like you're an expert because your ill-informed convictions. "The principle" is a poor excuse for your ignorance on a matter.
 

People also say that US is a free country which is untrue. It might not be a true nationalized healthcare system and yet it keeps moving in that direction. You can not expect things to drastically change overnight. The difference between you and me is that I actually see what is going to happen in the future at the rate were going and you do not.

The healthcare system is not nationalized period...like in any way. Are you going to tell me that the US is going to nationalize the telecom industry as well? :roll:
 

If you read some of my previous posts then you would realize that I have been saying this has been happening long before Obama and Bush. Just because this administration is more transparent than the previous one does not make it transparent. If you find me paranoid then oh boy do you need to go read huffingtonpost.com and see how they feel about the NSA and drone strikes. And again you keep claiming that I only blame Obama when I blame many others before him. Please go read some of my posts before making silly claims like that again.

Didn't you just try to chide me on going off-topic? You made the assertion that we're worse under Obama than under Bush. If you implied that we are the same, you wouldn't have mentioned shit about the NSA, drone strikes, and US citizens on kill lists.
 

Oh my there we go again, putting words into my mouth. By creating opportunities I am talking about job growth, innovation and training. What do you think is going to happen when you keep handing a drug addicts more drugs? Do you expect them to get clean? This is what happening with many of citizens who only get handouts instead of a helping hand. Keep in mind that I am open to helping others as I have numerously stated but is is best if it is done through a private sector. More efficiency and less waste. Just look at all the great projects from churches or charities, they had done more good than the government.

What a bunch of vacuous crap. Job growth, innovation, and training is your answer? You might as well say that meth is bad for you, so you shouldn't smoke it. Thank you so much for that insightful commentary!

How is it more efficient to have 1000 different organizations that aren't networked doing the same shit? The simple concept of overlapping jobs and responsibilities alone is exponentially multiplied and I don't even have to go into the logistics of having to rapidly mobilize during large-scale emergencies. If leaving it up to private individuals and charities was effective, we wouldn't need any public programs. We only have to look at...oh, the history of civilization to see that what you propose isn't only inefficient, but ineffective to address the problems of large-scale societies.
 

Oh no! Is Dohdough mad? I am glad we reached that point where I clearly see that you are not ready to be on these forums. You cannot debate, you cannot argue your points and you only insult. Funny this whole time I held you in much higher regard.

LOLZ...I can't debate anything and only insult people? Please, I'm insulted by your ignorance. By my count, this is the second time you admitted that you don't know jack shit about an issue while having strong opinions on it based on less than nothing, while expecting me to treat your opinion as if it were as valid as one based on facts. Not going to happen.

Frankly, I don't care what you think of me, but don't try to bullshit me. At least calling me an asshole would be honest.
 

You are quite amusing. When I brought up historical examples in previous arguments, you would always dismiss them and now you quickly change your position. Typical.

Maybe you should start providing some context next time and not purposely omit important facts.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 05:46 AM

How many times are you going to argue this Bob? Democrats suck. We get it, but Republicans are worse for everyone who is not rich. I vote third party but you have to realize that arguing for a party that is worse than the Dems is not the best course of action.

 

We've been on a Republican trajectory for 30+ years. Why not try moving in another direction?

 

Edit: It looks like the post I was responding to disappeared. I should have quoted.

The Republican politicians suck because they do not follow their own supposed party ideals, the Democrat politicians suck because they DO follow their party's ideals. ;) Republicans vote for a subsidy for the sugar companies while whining about fiscal conservatism and the free market. Bush passes Medicare part D unfunded! It's BS. At least you know the Dems are sincere when they speak about social reforms like "spreading the wealth" and "making the rich pay their fair share." Its their own BS but at least they usually act accordingly. That's why it is funny to see Obama stick with some of Bush's policies even after he explicitly campaigned against them. I think most liberals think that we need the gov't to protect us from the greed and control of evil corporations, and they are willing to sacrifice their freedom for that protection. What they do not realize is that the gov't has become its own evil entity now with greed, corruption, and excess that dwarves any corporation. Ultimate control of everything. A liberal's utopia. Maybe after these mid term elections, we'll get to see how that works out. I think they can win because the Repubs can't stop shooting themselves in the foot with vaginal probes and the like. I do wonder how many of you guys support the increases in expenses to the coal industry that Obama is supporting while we are still in recovery mode. China and our other global competition certainly won't handcuff their economies like that. Is this the right plan and the right time?

 

Back on topic....So this lady should not be reprimanded for her statements? Where's Al Sharpton? Hypocrisy at its finest?



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 05:52 AM


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#45 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 06:07 AM

Sure you do. You go off-topic ALL THE DAMN TIME because I always follow you down the rabbit hole to see what kind of pseudo-intellectual junkfood you want to serve up.

Ok. Can you give me an example?

YOU were the one that made the statement that we're so much worse under Obama and by using the metrics that conservatives were trying to beat him up on since the was inaugurated, it's obvious that we are FAR better off now than when Bush left office.

Secondly, you DON'T blame republicans as much as you blame democrats and Obama. There are a few libertarians on Vs. that don't go into the LIEberals and democRAT bullshit and you ain't one of them.

Can you point me to that statement? Also the reason why I bag on Obama so much is because he is currently in power and he was supposed to bring real change to the Washington DC like he promised. There was more enthusiasm when it came to his candidacy than any other politician in decades. Do not worry about me bagging on Republicans, I had done so and will continue to do so until they get their shit straight. 

But you DO pretend like you're an expert because your ill-informed convictions. "The principle" is a poor excuse for your ignorance on a matter.

Did I talk down on you? Did I claim like I was some sort of social and economic genius? I merely state my opinion and observation based on what I have seen and experience first hand. I am pretty sure you do the same.

The healthcare system is not nationalized period...like in any way. Are you going to tell me that the US is going to nationalize the telecom industry as well? :roll:

Still clinging on technicalities? Thought so. You seem to have ignored about me stating that we are moving to something much worse.

Didn't you just try to chide me on going off-topic? You made the assertion that we're worse under Obama than under Bush. If you implied that we are the same, you wouldn't have mentioned shit about the NSA, drone strikes, and US citizens on kill lists

Actually I implied that we are not better under Obama. Then I talked about NSA and Drone Strikes and etc. Funny thing is that I am pretty sure there have been more drone strikes under Obama than Bush therefore one could argue that things are worse. As a matter of fact I can continue to list reasons why I believe times are worse under Obama than Bush.

What a bunch of vacuous crap. Job growth, innovation, and training is your answer? You might as well say that meth is bad for you, so you shouldn't smoke it. Thank you so much for that insightful commentary!

How is it more efficient to have 1000 different organizations that aren't networked doing the same shit? The simple concept of overlapping jobs and responsibilities alone is exponentially multiplied and I don't even have to go into the logistics of having to rapidly mobilize during large-scale emergencies. If leaving it up to private individuals and charities was effective, we wouldn't need any public programs. We only have to look at...oh, the history of civilization to see that what you propose isn't only inefficient, but ineffective to address the problems of large-scale societies.

Oh, I am sorry. Did you expect me to list an entire economic plan? I can give you summary if you would like. I am sure it will be a little better than what you have: Social Safety Nets. Bravo!

 

Really? So you believe that government is more efficient than a private sector? Hmm I wonder how USPS is doing? Gee, I wonder if there is any waste in FEMA, IRS, DOJ, DE, USDA, and probably the rest of the government. Want me to be a little more specific? Ok how about these projects from 2012:

1. Robo Squirrel

2. Stevenson Road Bridge in Ohio

3. Congress purchased of 10 jets valued at $2.4 billion. Military has stated that they do not require any more jets of this type.

 

Want me to continue with more projects or events in which government has wasted money? We are talking billions of dollars in pure waste.

LOLZ...I can't debate anything and only insult people? Please, I'm insulted by your ignorance. By my count, this is the second time you admitted that you don't know jack shit about an issue while having strong opinions on it based on less than nothing, while expecting me to treat your opinion as if it were as valid as one based on facts. Not going to happen.

Frankly, I don't care what you think of me, but don't try to bullshit me. At least calling me an asshole would be honest.

Oh your insulted? Boo hoo. I keep refuting each point you make and you come back spewing trash. Unlike you, I am not willing to stop down to your level. I argue with facts not insults. Try again.

Maybe you should start providing some context next time and not purposely omit important facts.

Funny, I could have said the same thing about you.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 06:19 PM


Actually I implied that we are not better under Obama. Then I talked about NSA and Drone Strikes and etc. Funny thing is that I am pretty sure there have been more drone strikes under Obama than Bush therefore one could argue that things are worse. As a matter of fact I can continue to list reasons why I believe times are worse under Obama than Bush.

 

Why cause certain stereotypes ( racists ) know black people are going to ghetto-fy instead of gentrify?

 

By the way in case you like to know Obama has been far right more then anything.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 06:24 PM

The Republican politicians suck because they do not follow their own supposed party ideals,

 

Being racist and sexist is a full time job, you can't expect them to do anything when they hate minorities, women, gays, athetists, etc etc..

 

Hate is a full time job...

 

By the way COAL won't solve shit... if I can pump all the coal shit on your property I will support it.  China don't give a fark, you seen their eniviroment, want to live there ... Im pretty sure a good amount of us would pay for you to leave America...LOLZ



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Ok. Can you give me an example?

Your very first post in this thread. :rofl:

Abortions are relevant to this thread how?
 

Can you point me to that statement? Also the reason why I bag on Obama so much is because he is currently in power and he was supposed to bring real change to the Washington DC like he promised. There was more enthusiasm when it came to his candidacy than any other politician in decades. Do not worry about me bagging on Republicans, I had done so and will continue to do so until they get their shit straight.

 
 Oh jeebus, just read through your inane posts in this thread to figure it out. You only made the comment like less than two ago. Not to mention that your comment was so off the wall that I had to do a double-take because it was so wacky.
 

Did I talk down on you? Did I claim like I was some sort of social and economic genius? I merely state my opinion and observation based on what I have seen and experience first hand. I am pretty sure you do the same.

So you opine about society, economics, and politics while barely having a clue as to how any of those things work, admitting that you barely know anything, and then you expect me to accept your opinion as being as valid as gospel truth because it's an "opinion?" I'll let that kind of shit fly if we're talking about the best flavor of ice cream, but not when you're trying to convince me or others that your opinion is the most grounded one. So no, I don't do the same thing as you.
 
 

Still clinging on technicalities? Thought so. You seem to have ignored about me stating that we are moving to something much worse.

"Technicalities?" Does the government run the healthcare system from the bottom to the top? Are hospitals public institutions? Are those doctors, nurses, and secretaries government employees? I mean seriously, wtf do you think nationalized even means?
 

Actually I implied that we are not better under Obama. Then I talked about NSA and Drone Strikes and etc. Funny thing is that I am pretty sure there have been more drone strikes under Obama than Bush therefore one could argue that things are worse. As a matter of fact I can continue to list reasons why I believe times are worse under Obama than Bush.

Oh ok, so you DON'T blame the republicans as much as you blame Obama. Glad we cleared that up!
 

Oh, I am sorry. Did you expect me to list an entire economic plan? I can give you summary if you would like. I am sure it will be a little better than what you have: Social Safety Nets. Bravo!

The term "social safety net" is an understood umbrella term for programs like food stamps, welfare, Medicare/-caid, unemployment, Social Security, etc. It's far more specific than "create jobs," "grow the economy," "bombs are bad," or "crack is whack." The pride you take in making those types of statements is embarrassing...as in I'm embarrassed for you.
 

Really? So you believe that government is more efficient than a private sector? Hmm I wonder how USPS is doing? Gee, I wonder if there is any waste in FEMA, IRS, DOJ, DE, USDA, and probably the rest of the government. Want me to be a little more specific? Ok how about these projects from 2012:
1. Robo Squirrel
2. Stevenson Road Bridge in Ohio
3. Congress purchased of 10 jets valued at $2.4 billion. Military has stated that they do not require any more jets of this type.
 
Want me to continue with more projects or events in which government has wasted money? We are talking billions of dollars in pure waste.

Where in my post did I make the argument that the government is more efficient that the private sector? I SPECIFICALLY said that private charities and churches simply don't have the ability to distribute resources as efficiently as a large governmental agency created to deal with specific problems in any large scale event. It's simply logistically impossible. A vast majority of private charities don't have the manpower, equipment, or supplies to cover a small town if a natural disaster hits, muchless a city.

Btw, conservatives were beating Obama up on being weak on terrorism by not increasing the military budget as much as the chicken hawks wanted. But no, just keep blaming Obama, you hack.
 
 

Oh your insulted? Boo hoo. I keep refuting each point you make and you come back spewing trash. Unlike you, I am not willing to stop down to your level. I argue with facts not insults. Try again.

Refuting with what? Your opinions based on limited actual knowledge and your guts? Or maybe by using your lack of memory to say that certain things never happened when they actually did? Or was it by telling me to go dumpster diving because you think I'm a racist for calling people racists that actually said racist things. :rofl:
 
By the way, you've sent MANY insults my way. The difference between me and you is that I own up to them and you pretend like you never made them like a coward. In matter of fact, there are three insults in that little paragraph in that little quote of yours. :rofl:

Funny, I could have said the same thing about you.

Actually, you can't.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:16 PM

Your very first post in this thread. :rofl:

Oh you mean when someone else claimed that we hate minorities? Yep.

Oh jeebus, just read through your inane posts in this thread to figure it out. You only made the comment like less than two ago. Not to mention that your comment was so off the wall that I had to do a double-take because it was so wacky.

"Oh yes things are so much better under Obama than Bush". I am sorry it is my fault for not being more clear. This comment implies that things are not better and thats it, therefore it could mean things are the same. I am gonna go ahead and make it clear for you again that things were better under Bush. Gosh I feel like I am gonna throw up just saying that.

So you opine about society, economics, and politics while barely having a clue as to how any of those things work, admitting that you barely know anything, and then you expect me to accept your opinion as being as valid as gospel truth because it's an "opinion?" I'll let that kind of shit fly if we're talking about the best flavor of ice cream, but not when you're trying to convince me or others that your opinion is the most grounded one. So no, I don't do the same thing as you.
 
I never claimed to be an expert but then who is on these forums? It sure is not you after the shit you keep posting. It seems I know enough to refute your points across several threads and actually backing up with links to outside sources. You on the other hand just blabber away about me being a racist for support private property rights.

"Technicalities?" Does the government run the healthcare system from the bottom to the top? Are hospitals public institutions? Are those doctors, nurses, and secretaries government employees? I mean seriously, wtf do you think nationalized even means?
Nationalized would it is completely under the control of the government. Currently it is not and yet is going that way. Are hospitals public institutions? Hmm do they get public funding? Therefore does that mean that employees get money from the government Me thinks so. How about patients paying with medicare or medicaid? Is that a public insurance of sort? :D

Oh ok, so you DON'T blame the republicans as much as you blame Obama. Glad we cleared that up!

Oh I see your still stuck on that. Sorry things are so confusing for you.

The term "social safety net" is an understood umbrella term for programs like food stamps, welfare, Medicare/-caid, unemployment, Social Security, etc. It's far more specific than "create jobs," "grow the economy," "bombs are bad," or "crack is whack." The pride you take in making those types of statements is embarrassing...as in I'm embarrassed for you.

Why should you feel embarrassed? I am not the one relying on the government for handouts. I want people to prosper and not be stuck in ghettos asking for phones and shitty healthcare. You seem to be fine with it. Good for you, great way to support your peeps.

Where in my post did I make the argument that the government is more efficient that the private sector? I SPECIFICALLY said that private charities and churches simply don't have the ability to distribute resources as efficiently as a large governmental agency created to deal with specific problems in any large scale event. It's simply logistically impossible. A vast majority of private charities don't have the manpower, equipment, or supplies to cover a small town if a natural disaster hits, muchless a city.

Btw, conservatives were beating Obama up on being weak on terrorism by not increasing the military budget as much as the chicken hawks wanted. But no, just keep blaming Obama, you hack.
Oh I don't know, I guess this particular sentence: "How is it more efficient to have 1000 different organizations that aren't networked doing the same shit?" or did you decide to flip flop?

 

I can see where your coming from by saying that private sector does not have the capability to help everyone during some tragic event. I will disagree with you and say it is possible. Government could just give the money to nonprofit organizations instead of funding a failed agency. I still disagree with that at the moment but it better what we have now.

 

Oh by the way I have never defended Republicans or conservatives in their attacks on Obama on military budgets. We spend way too much money on the military complex, I actually want to reduce the waste. Maybe you should learn to read good before making silly claims again. 

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Refuting with what? Your opinions based on limited actual knowledge and your guts? Or maybe by using your lack of memory to say that certain things never happened when they actually did? Or was it by telling me to go dumpster diving because you think I'm a racist for calling people racists that actually said racist things. :rofl:
 
By the way, you've sent MANY insults my way. The difference between me and you is that I own up to them and you pretend like you never made them like a coward. In matter of fact, there are three insults in that little paragraph in that little quote of yours. :rofl:

Me and countless others being a racist. Government being inefficient, socialism working, Obama being a terrible president and etc. What else did you have in mind?

 

In my earlier posts in another thread I apologized to everyone I have insulted in this forum if I ever did. I want you to find at least one of my earlier posts where I did do such a thing. I dare you. Can't find anything? Thought so.

Actually, you can't.

Did you? No? GG.



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Oh you mean when someone else claimed that we hate minorities? Yep.

So you admit to it having nothing to do with the topic at hand. Gotcha.

And just because I know you like to "forget" things, you asked me to find a post where you go off-topic.
 
 

"Oh yes things are so much better under Obama than Bush". I am sorry it is my fault for not being more clear. This comment implies that things are not better and thats it, therefore it could mean things are the same. I am gonna go ahead and make it clear for you again that things were better under Bush. Gosh I feel like I am gonna throw up just saying that.


*sigh* You used a heavily skewed and Very specific set of metrics to make your valuation while ignoring the environment and methods used by Bush and not the least bit critical. Focusing on superficial points like drones, which objectively kills far less people than the full mobilization of our military did is an important point. You also ignore the fact that Bush was limited in the technology he could utilize. No one is saying that it's great, but any non-idealogue can capitulate to the fact that drones reduce body counts compared to conventional warfare.

But no, try to tell me again how I'm just insulting you and making posts without context.

 

I never claimed to be an expert but then who is on these forums? It sure is not you after the shit you keep posting. It seems I know enough to refute your points across several threads and actually backing up with links to outside sources. You on the other hand just blabber away about me being a racist for support private property rights.


Ummm...no. You just repeat your mantras and drop strawmen. There are many avenues that you could have taken to refute the claims that I make while using facts and history, yet you haven't even come close to using them because you have no clue about them. I'm just going through the motions to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. So far, all I see is a typical right-wing nuthouse on the other side.

As for outside sources? LOLZ. Yeah, how about I start countering your outside sources with the same type of sensational and biased crap like from DailyKos? At least I don't have the intellectual dishonesty to pull stunts like that. I wish I could say the same for you. Or maybe you'd like to bump that thread where you were talking about the Violence Against Women Act, pretend to school me on it's issues, and then admit to not knowing a damn thing about it! :rofl:
 

Nationalized would it is completely under the control of the government. Currently it is not and yet is going that way. Are hospitals public institutions? Hmm do they get public funding? Therefore does that mean that employees get money from the government Me thinks so. How about patients paying with medicare or medicaid? Is that a public insurance of sort? :D

By that metric, the food industry is being nationalized, the telecom industry is being nationalized, the energy industry is being nationalized, the sports industry is being nationalized, shit...just about EVERYTHING is being nationalized. :roll:

Again, does everyone have access to Medicare/-caid or TriCare? Do you even know how people get in on those programs?

How much in public funds do you think you get that's hidden in your paycheck(if you even work)? Using your own metric above, I can guarantee that it's more than zero.

 

Oh I see your still stuck on that. Sorry things are so confusing for you.

We clarified your stance and dishonesty; you decide to try to insult me for it because I exposed you as an ideologue. Good show, holmes.

 

Why should you feel embarrassed? I am not the one relying on the government for handouts. I want people to prosper and not be stuck in ghettos asking for phones and shitty healthcare. You seem to be fine with it. Good for you, great way to support your peeps.

And your solution to that? Create jobs and make sure people know that crack is whack.

 

Oh I don't know, I guess this particular sentence: "How is it more efficient to have 1000 different organizations that aren't networked doing the same shit?" or did you decide to flip flop?

I can see where your coming from by saying that private sector does not have the capability to help everyone during some tragic event. I will disagree with you and say it is possible. Government could just give the money to nonprofit organizations instead of funding a failed agency. I still disagree with that at the moment but it better what we have now.

Oh by the way I have never defended Republicans or conservatives in their attacks on Obama on military budgets. We spend way too much money on the military complex, I actually want to reduce the waste. Maybe you should learn to read good before making silly claims again.

:rofl:

For someone that wants to complain about me not having any reading comprehension, you sure do seem to not have much of it yourself. Or maybe I'm the crazy one for knowing the difference between private sector and private charities/churches. You know...the latter being the things you were talking about in the first damn place.


Me and countless others being a racist. Government being inefficient, socialism working, Obama being a terrible president and etc. What else did you have in mind?

Having black friends doesn't mean you don't harbor racist views towards them nor does it mean you don't act in a racist way.
 
Anything can be labelled as inefficient with your types of metrics.
 
Oh I know, you don't know what socialism is because you think it's communism and you don't know what communism is either. Btw, socialism is still capitalism. HTH

Obama being a terrible president? Only if EVERY president is considered terrible.

What else do I have in mind? Nothing because you've refuted nothing. There's something called "compare and contrast." Perhaps you've heard of it?
 

In my earlier posts in another thread I apologized to everyone I have insulted in this forum if I ever did. I want you to find at least one of my earlier posts where I did do such a thing. I dare you. Can't find anything? Thought so.

I get it...for you, it's ok to make passive aggressive insults(like you did with that macro insinuating that I'm developmentally challenged), but not call me an asshole. Do you consider being called a racist an insult then? Because you've called me that on a few occasions.
 

Did you? No? GG.

Wait, what? Did I break your brainz or something?

edit: I think I'm going to start toning it down a bit because you're getting more confused than usual. My apologies.
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#51 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:54 AM

Looks like I need to split up my post.

So you admit to it having nothing to do with the topic at hand. Gotcha.

You are engaging me in this thread conversing in something other than the original topic. Seems we both go off topic from time to time. 

*sigh* You used a heavily skewed and Very specific set of metrics to make your valuation while ignoring the environment and methods used by Bush and not the least bit critical. Focusing on superficial points like drones, which objectively kills far less people than the full mobilization of our military did is an important point. You also ignore the fact that Bush was limited in the technology he could utilize. No one is saying that it's great, but any non-idealogue can capitulate to the fact that drones reduce body counts compared to conventional warfare.

But no, try to tell me again how I'm just insulting you and making posts without context.

I am not ignoring anything nor am I am trying to skew anything for you. I have been giving you straight answers. Obama is a war criminal, Bush is too. Why you start bringing up technology limitation is beyond me as the same argument can me made for Obama.

 

Drone decrease body count? Sure, I agree. I have no problem witch technological advances. I have a problem when they are being used for means of war. I criticize Obama as he is the man that calls the shots. If Romney or McCain won the presidency then I would bag on them as well. It is strange that I have yet to see you criticize the democrats for following the same economical and foreign policies of Bush. It seems to me that you could only criticize the people on the gaming forums who you find inferior for following different political ideals and yet fundamentally share the same goals.

Ummm...no. You just repeat your mantras and drop strawmen. There are many avenues that you could have taken to refute the claims that I make while using facts and history, yet you haven't even come close to using them because you have no clue about them. I'm just going through the motions to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. So far, all I see is a typical right-wing nuthouse on the other side.

As for outside sources? LOLZ. Yeah, how about I start countering your outside sources with the same type of sensational and biased crap like from DailyKos? At least I don't have the intellectual dishonesty to pull stunts like that. I wish I could say the same for you. Or maybe you'd like to bump that thread where you were talking about the Violence Against Women Act, pretend to school me on it's issues, and then admit to not knowing a damn thing about it! :rofl:[/QUOTES]

Pretty sure I have used facts and history to defend my claims. Maybe you were too afraid to clink on the links to find the truth. You are more than welcome to go through the old posts and see for yourself but I bet you will call me another name and move on.

 

Do you really think I only linked to conservative sites? Buddy maybe you should bump those threads instead. Also when did I ever try to school you on VAWA? If I remember correctly is that I have stated I was unfamiliar with a bill, you told me you were. So I proceeded to ask questions to which you did not reply and instead gave me a link so I could read the whole thing myself. I was not trying to debate you but instead gain insight. A few hours later you started calling me out not realizing that a bill as long as that takes days to read and properly analyze.

[QUOTE]By that metric, the food industry is being nationalized, the telecom industry is being nationalized, the energy industry is being nationalized, the sports industry is being nationalized, shit...just about EVERYTHING is being nationalized. :roll:

Again, does everyone have access to Medicare/-caid or TriCare? Do you even know how people get in on those programs?

How much in public funds do you think you get that's hidden in your paycheck(if you even work)? Using your own metric above, I can guarantee that it's more than zero.

You find that a good thing when government is so involved in everything?

 

Did I say that everyone is using medicare or any other government assisted program? What I am trying to explain to you is that it is unnecessary and not everyone deserves it. Healthcare industry can survive without government and I would ever dare say to prosper. 

 

Why don't you explain to me how much money I get from the government in my check? I am quite curious as I honestly do not know.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:56 AM

We clarified your stance and dishonesty; you decide to try to insult me for it because I exposed you as an ideologue. Good show, holmes.

I clarified my stance long ago when I have numerously stated that I am against both parties. I have attacked both parties and yet to see you attack your own for their own hypocrisy. The dishonesty is clearly yours.

 

You started to call me names along with other members and try to belittle us. This is not the first time this has happened in a simple debate. If I can not get through to you in a kind manner then maybe poking fun of your close mindedness will do.

 

 

And your solution to that? Create jobs and make sure people know that crack is whack.

Sure as hell would be more effective than giving people handouts without empowering them.

 

 

For someone that wants to complain about me not having any reading comprehension, you sure do seem to not have much of it yourself. Or maybe I'm the crazy one for knowing the difference between private sector and private charities/churches. You know...the latter being the things you were talking about in the first damn place.

So your saying Private Sector=/=Private Charities/Church programs? You sure?

 

 

Having black friends doesn't mean you don't harbor racist views towards them nor does it mean you don't act in a racist way.
 
Anything can be labelled as inefficient with your types of metrics.
 
Oh I know, you don't know what socialism is because you think it's communism and you don't know what communism is either. Btw, socialism is still capitalism. HTH

Obama being a terrible president? Only if EVERY president is considered terrible.

What else do I have in mind? Nothing because you've refuted nothing. There's something called "compare and contrast." Perhaps you've heard of it?

It also does not mean that I harbor any racists thoughts towards them nor do I act like a racist.

 

Then are you saying government is efficient? More efficient than the alternatives?

 

I was actually born into a communist country, I went through several dictatorships and have seen a government attack it's own people. I feel like a have better grasp than say you, a person who does not believe that a government with that much control can one day enslave their own citizens. Talk to me when a cop harasses you and threatens to throw you in jail because you stood on a square protesting a current "leader". Socialism is as much of Capitalism as Christianity is Islam.

 

No, Obama is just terrible.

 

Refuted nothing? Ok thats cool.

 

 

I get it...for you, it's ok to make passive aggressive insults(like you did with that macro insinuating that I'm developmentally challenged), but not call me an asshole. Do you consider being called a racist an insult then? Because you've called me that on a few occasions.

Racist, no. I was hoping that would be an eye opener for you but I guess not. On the other hand me claiming you have a simple mind, well that is what happens when you only talk shit about others when they only try to defend their points. When you belittle others and try to make them look guilty of something they are not, well then you will get a simplified response.

 

 

Wait, what? Did I break your brainz or something?

edit: I think I'm going to start toning it down a bit because you're getting more confused than usual. My apologies.

You sure getting there. It is hard to argue with someone like you. You seem to defend people like Obama then turn around and criticize Bush for doing the exact same thing. I believe a government that turns on its own and wastes billions of dollars is the best solution we can come up with? You prefer that we give the poor money that we do not possess and have to borrow from other nations instead of creating jobs? You prefer to have the government pass the bills that violate the constitution because you think it will give people more rights while restricting the rights of others? No man, my brain is fine but yours need to be looked at. Go take your medicaid card and have it looked over. Don't worry, its on us the American People.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

Silk, fighting with doh is like masturbating with a cheese grater. While amusing, its never gonna get you to the promised land. Has he told you that he knows about a deep, dark secret you have, then never delivers? I gotta give him this , he's persistent. Myke fled the scene after acting like a total ass and I called him out on it. He never manned up and apologized. Maybe he will grow up.....errr....SHOW up and do so one day. :)

 

I hope no one is ever truly getting angry by anything posted on here. I'm actually glad that we have varied opinions, and that people are engaged enough to care. Wayyyyy too many American Idol idiots out there who are perfectly happy to be oblivious......Actually, maybe they are the smart ones. It seems the political elite are gonna do what they want, no matter how unpopular it is to the common man. Why stress ourselves out by peering behind the curtain. If it gets bad enough, change will come.



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You are engaging me in this thread conversing in something other than the original topic. Seems we both go off topic from time to time.

You're the one that led us down this rabbit hole. I'm just following you. 
 

I am not ignoring anything nor am I am trying to skew anything for you. I have been giving you straight answers. Obama is a war criminal, Bush is too. Why you start bringing up technology limitation is beyond me as the same argument can me made for Obama.

Wait what? Why would Obama be limited by technology if he's using it now because drone technology wasn't mature enough for Bush's administration. Or are you trying to veer off into another direction again?
 

Drone decrease body count? Sure, I agree. I have no problem witch technological advances. I have a problem when they are being used for means of war. I criticize Obama as he is the man that calls the shots. If Romney or McCain won the presidency then I would bag on them as well. It is strange that I have yet to see you criticize the democrats for following the same economical and foreign policies of Bush. It seems to me that you could only criticize the people on the gaming forums who you find inferior for following different political ideals and yet fundamentally share the same goals.

Last time I checked, most of the democrats aren't trying to privatize everything like the Bush administration was. Why would I criticize them for that? As for foreign policy, I've talked at length about imperialism and foreign interventions. Not my fault you weren't around vs. for it.
 
 

You find that a good thing when government is so involved in everything?

Do you know what a "strawman" argument is? Cause this is a good example of one.
 

Did I say that everyone is using medicare or any other government assisted program? What I am trying to explain to you is that it is unnecessary and not everyone deserves it. Healthcare industry can survive without government and I would ever dare say to prosper.

Sounds like you don't know how Medicare(or Medicaid or Tri-Care) works. Why wouldn't someone deserve Medicare if they paid for it? Maybe you should learn about how those programs work before shooting off your ignorant opinions on it.
 

Why don't you explain to me how much money I get from the government in my check? I am quite curious as I honestly do not know.

Did any money from your employer come from someone that's paid from the government? You said that any institution that receives any public funds is semi-nationalized, right? Wasn't that your rationale for saying that the hospitals are public institutions? So I guess you not only work for the government, but they pay you too! Does that sound stupid? Of course it does, so what does that say about your argument about hospitals being public institutions?
 
I'll address the rest of your cornucopia of ignorance later.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:45 AM

You're the one that led us down this rabbit hole. I'm just following you.

So I respond to finger's post. You engage me and we start arguing. Sounds to me like its vice versa.

Wait what? Why would Obama be limited by technology if he's using it now because drone technology wasn't mature enough for Bush's administration. Or are you trying to veer off into another direction again?

I was under the impression you are talking about technology in general instead of just drones. Nonetheless I highly doubt there have been any huge leaps in drone tech as the numbers are quite high during the Bush era.

Last time I checked, most of the democrats aren't trying to privatize everything like the Bush administration was...

We are not talking about the number of privatizations, nor have I ever claimed that democrats had higher privatizations. In regards to you talking about foreign policy, sure I guess it is my fault for not being around that time. Why you go around and attack me then, makes no sense. Is it my fault that you have not seen any of my previous posts where I attacked republicans and conservatives? Then when I try to explain it to you, you just dismiss it. Anything wrong with that picture?

Do you know what a "strawman" argument is? Cause this is a good example of one.

K cool.

Sounds like you don't know how Medicare(or Medicaid or Tri-Care) works...

Haha, so your telling me that medicare is funded only by the people who pay into it? You are telling me that all participants of these programs paid into it? Now tell me, are there any illegal immigrants who might have received medicare or medicaid?

Did any money from your employer come from someone that's paid from the government?
My previous employer might have received something from the government but only for services provided. I see no problems with that. I see a problem when an entire or majority of the business is funded by the government. Heck even if the government grants $1 million to a business with a worth of $10 million it is still a problem. I find it discriminatory, why should the government decide who they want to fund and who not to? Do you really expect the people within the government to be fair when it comes to funding? Also it just goes against a natural principle of the free market. If a government decides to fund a business that is failing, losing money and will continue to do so because the market is not interested in the products offered. Wouldn't it be a good idea to move on?

 

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:49 AM

Silk, fighting with doh is like masturbating with a cheese grater. While amusing, its never gonna get you to the promised land. Has he told you that he knows about a deep, dark secret you have, then never delivers? I gotta give him this , he's persistent. Myke fled the scene after acting like a total ass and I called him out on it. He never manned up and apologized. Maybe he will grow up.....errr....SHOW up and do so one day. :)

 

I hope no one is ever truly getting angry by anything posted on here. I'm actually glad that we have varied opinions, and that people are engaged enough to care. Wayyyyy too many American Idol idiots out there who are perfectly happy to be oblivious......Actually, maybe they are the smart ones. It seems the political elite are gonna do what they want, no matter how unpopular it is to the common man. Why stress ourselves out by peering behind the curtain. If it gets bad enough, change will come.

Myke was a tool and decided to hide behind the ignore button like a few others on these boards. Doh is persistent but ignorant. He does not choose to see that I am actually on his side, the difference of opinion is in the approach to solving the issues. It is his choice, if he wants to continue debating then there is enough amusement to keep me going.



#57 dohdough

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:45 PM

I clarified my stance long ago when I have numerously stated that I am against both parties. I have attacked both parties and yet to see you attack your own for their own hypocrisy. The dishonesty is clearly yours.

And what have you demonstrated on Vs.? Nothing but partisan hackery. Saying that you beat them both up doesn't mean that you have so here. I've probably criticized democrats more than you've criticized republicans, and that's saying something.

 
 

You started to call me names along with other members and try to belittle us. This is not the first time this has happened in a simple debate. If I can not get through to you in a kind manner then maybe poking fun of your close mindedness will do.

Sure as hell would be more effective than giving people handouts without empowering them.

Saying that you're going to create jobs doesn't mean that it's going to magically happen nor does telling someone that "crack is whack" breaks them from their addiction. So no, it's less effective because having a position isn't a plan and doesn't empower anyone.

Bombs are bad, people should eat when they're hungry, and wipe their ass when they shit. Yeah, that's some mind-blowing stuff right there. :roll:

 

So your saying Private Sector=/=Private Charities/Church programs? You sure?

Does the "private sector" only composed of private charities and church groups? No? Good. Glad we cleared that up.

 

It also does not mean that I harbor any racists thoughts towards them nor do I act like a racist.

You don't have to hate someone to be racist.

 

Then are you saying government is efficient? More efficient than the alternatives?

What alternatives? I'm saying that there are some things that the government is more efficient at than private organizations depending on context. Unlike you, I don't think ONLY government nor ONLY the market can solve every issue. I'm no ideologue and I'm the furthest thing from dogmatic, which is why I don't hang my arguments on "principle."
 
 

I was actually born into a communist country, I went through several dictatorships and have seen a government attack it's own people. I feel like a have better grasp than say you, a person who does not believe that a government with that much control can one day enslave their own citizens. Talk to me when a cop harasses you and threatens to throw you in jail because you stood on a square protesting a current "leader". Socialism is as much of Capitalism as Christianity is Islam.

Again with the dogma. I'm fully aware of what the government is capable of doing because I'm not ignorant of history nor am I ignorant of who pushes the government in that direction. The fact that you don't think those social constructs are related only speaks to your ignorance about them.

 

No, Obama is just terrible.

Just like every other president is, but unlike you, I realize that they're good and bad in different ways.

 

Refuted nothing? Ok thats cool.

Yeah, we're totally debating the superiority of different flavors of ice cream here.
 
 

Racist, no. I was hoping that would be an eye opener for you but I guess not. On the other hand me claiming you have a simple mind, well that is what happens when you only talk shit about others when they only try to defend their points. When you belittle others and try to make them look guilty of something they are not, well then you will get a simplified response.

All I see is you saying that you don't know much about something and making an uninformed opinion. If you can only defend it by saying "it's my opinion," well, why should I take it seriously?

 

You sure getting there. It is hard to argue with someone like you. You seem to defend people like Obama then turn around and criticize Bush for doing the exact same thing. I believe a government that turns on its own and wastes billions of dollars is the best solution we can come up with? You prefer that we give the poor money that we do not possess and have to borrow from other nations instead of creating jobs? You prefer to have the government pass the bills that violate the constitution because you think it will give people more rights while restricting the rights of others? No man, my brain is fine but yours need to be looked at. Go take your medicaid card and have it looked over. Don't worry, its on us the American People.

Wow, this is some serious projection and a shotgun blast of talking points here. But hey, we'd all be better off if we just tossed people on the street and have them rot because of some weird fetish with Horatio Alger, right?

Oh and LOLZ@ your "medicaid card" comment because you have no idea how it works. :rofl:

This has been "fun," but it's painfully obvious that you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about as if under-educated opinions steeped in dogma are somehow unbiased critiques teeming with context. Might want to put a check on your market fundamentalism, friend.
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#58 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:10 PM

And what have you demonstrated on Vs.? Nothing but partisan hackery. Saying that you beat them both up doesn't mean that you have so here. I've probably criticized democrats more than you've criticized republicans, and that's saying something.

Well I did not see you criticize democrats nor Obama a single time. Sorry you did not my previous posts, not my fault. 

Saying that you're going to create jobs doesn't mean that it's going to magically happen nor does telling someone that "crack is whack" breaks them from their addiction. So no, it's less effective because having a position isn't a plan and doesn't empower anyone.

Bombs are bad, people should eat when they're hungry, and wipe their ass when they shit. Yeah, that's some mind-blowing stuff right there. :roll:

Well how much detail are you asking for? Do you want me to tell you that I am trying to get the government out of the industries and fields it should not have had a presence in the first place? That alone would create jobs in a private market. Do you want me to tell you that I would legalize hemp and marijuana? There goes more jobs and more money. How about focusing our efforts to develop space technology instead of advanced weaponry. There we go, seems more detail than w/e you put out in this thread.

Does the "private sector" only composed of private charities and church groups? No? Good. Glad we cleared that up.
Yes and private sector is more efficient than the government. Good we both agree.

You don't have to hate someone to be racist.

Still does not mean that I am racist. Good try though.

What alternatives? I'm saying that there are some things that the government is more efficient at than private organizations depending on context. Unlike you, I don't think ONLY government nor ONLY the market can solve every issue. I'm no ideologue and I'm the furthest thing from dogmatic, which is why I don't hang my arguments on "principle."

I think we talked about charities so yeah.

Again with the dogma. I'm fully aware of what the government is capable of doing because I'm not ignorant of history nor am I ignorant of who pushes the government in that direction. The fact that you don't think those social constructs are related only speaks to your ignorance about them.

Yet, you keep asking for a bigger government. Talk about ignorance.

Just like every other president is, but unlike you, I realize that they're good and bad in different ways.

Negatives outweigh almost non existent positives. Same thing goes for Bush.

Yeah, we're totally debating the superiority of different flavors of ice cream here.

Vanilla is better than chocolate.

All I see is you saying that you don't know much about something and making an uninformed opinion. If you can only defend it by saying "it's my opinion," well, why should I take it seriously?
I am not asking you to, as a matter of fact you are more than welcome to click "ignore". I have stated my positions based on the information provided through the media, personal life experiences and other sources. If you do not like what I have to offer then walk away, no one is forcing you to listen.

Wow, this is some serious projection and a shotgun blast of talking points here. But hey, we'd all be better off if we just tossed people on the street and have them rot because of some weird fetish with Horatio Alger, right?

Oh and LOLZ@ your "medicaid card" comment because you have no idea how it works. :rofl:

This has been "fun," but it's painfully obvious that you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about as if under-educated opinions steeped in dogma are somehow unbiased critiques teeming with context. Might want to put a check on your market fundamentalism, friend.

Yes, lets throw everyone out on the streets. Obviously that is what I have been preaching here. Medicaid oh yes, trust me guys its not funded by the government. Laters.  :wave: 



#59 dohdough

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:49 PM

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