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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:36 AM


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:59 PM

Now that he experienced how we take care of our prisoners, maybe he can experience how they treat us.  Maybe he can do something like Daniel Pearl, and have his head cut off while conscious and then give his honest assessment of whether he liked being decapitated or fed.  That's the fair way to do it.  


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

Now that he experienced how we take care of our prisoners, maybe he can experience how they treat us.  Maybe he can do something like Daniel Pearl, and have his head cut off while conscious and then give his honest assessment of whether he liked being decapitated or fed.  That's the fair way to do it.  

Nice strawmen and generalizations. The entire point of the strike is that dozens of detainees have not been proven guilty of anything, have been offered no legal counsel, and some have not even been informed of what they are accused.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:51 PM

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:00 PM

Now that he experienced how we take care of our prisoners, maybe he can experience how they treat us.  Maybe he can do something like Daniel Pearl, and have his head cut off while conscious and then give his honest assessment of whether he liked being decapitated or fed.  That's the fair way to do it.  

 

I think the US should drone strike your family.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:01 AM

I think the US should drone strike your family.

 

 

I knew someone was going to respond to that douchebag with that, he set himself up for it :)


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:51 AM

I knew someone was going to respond to that douchebag with that, he set himself up for it :)

 

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:14 AM

I think the US should drone strike your family.

 

That seems harsh.  


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:46 AM

If only some great leader would step up and promise to make closing GitMo a priority.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:55 AM

Why waste food on mos def? That was good food that was gonna be forced down some arab terrorists throat.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:13 PM

That seems harsh.  

 

WTF??? That SOUNDS harsh? How about HAVING IT DONE TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY???? Because that's what happens in your racist wars against brown people around the world. The fact you cannot get his point reflects your abject failure as a human being with critical thinking skills. Why do conservatives tend toward such stupidity?!?!??? Is it the fucking belief in fairy tales as the basis for reality??? What is your major malfunction???


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

That seems harsh.  

 

Sorry, it was either that or suggest that uniformed American military should rape his mother and sister in front of him and kill his family execution-style. I went with what I felt was the least offensive of the two.

 

Or more accurately, I was feeding the troll.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:45 PM

Sorry, it was either that or suggest that uniformed American military should rape his mother and sister in front of him and kill his family execution-style. I went with what I felt was the least offensive of the two.

 

 

^ This does happen frequently. 



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:09 PM

^ This does happen frequently. 

 

It happens more than...say, terrorist attacks on US soil.

 

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:30 PM

WTF??? That SOUNDS harsh? How about HAVING IT DONE TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY???? Because that's what happens in your racist wars against brown people around the world. The fact you cannot get his point reflects your abject failure as a human being with critical thinking skills. Why do conservatives tend toward such stupidity?!?!??? Is it the fucking belief in fairy tales as the basis for reality??? What is your major malfunction???

 

Here we go, what are my racist wars?  I didn't work for Bush or Obama, I had no say in us going to war, nor do I meet with generals and tell them which "brown" people to kill. I have nothing to do with drone strikes or collateral damage, take it up with your administration run by a not white guy, it sounds more like a not white guy is killing other non white guys.  It sound more like Obama didn't keep his promises with Gitmo or pulling out of the wars with any urgency.  I think you'd better have equal blame because my guys haven't been making the big boy decisions the last 5 years, so hold liberals accountable once in awhile.  I suppose you also had a problem with us killing Germans during WW2, or was that ok because they were white people or do you just ignore the reasons for war and look at the race of the people involved?

 

Sorry, it was either that or suggest that uniformed American military should rape his mother and sister in front of him and kill his family execution-style. I went with what I felt was the least offensive of the two.

 

Or more accurately, I was feeding the troll.

 

So I'm the troll but your posts are what exactly then? LOL Come on don't take yourself so seriously, nobody else here does.  And where is Doh, who abhores violence and my signature talking about slapping sense into a liberal when you talk about drone striking my family and the rape and murder of my family for a comment on game forum?  I'd be shocked if I was talking to an adult but I know you are a child or at least have the mentality of one.  


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:32 PM

Jesus and God approves of idefinite detention....

 

By the way we all complicit in what goes on in the world, this is how democracy hides it ugly side, unlike dictatorship or one-party system.

 

In a democracy, blame can be spread out to everyone cause the excuse is we all voted or approve of the gov't we ELECT.  This is why our gov't can't be held accountable because they spread the blame around

 

Now in a dicatorship or one-party rule, you know who/everyone  exactly is at fault.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:53 PM

So I'm the troll but your posts are what exactly then? LOL Come on don't take yourself so seriously, nobody else here does.  And where is Doh, who abhores violence and my signature talking about slapping sense into a liberal when you talk about drone striking my family and the rape and murder of my family for a comment on game forum?  I'd be shocked if I was talking to an adult but I know you are a child or at least have the mentality of one.  

Oh whoops, I thought it was gunnm that was the idiot that made it a Daniel Pearl thread. Sorry for not giving you credit for full stupidity.

 

You seem to be new in this corner of CAG. Your lack of logic, prevalent false equivalencies, and lack of knowledge on the topics are kind of a giveaway. I would hope other regulars have given you enough grief that you understand that by now.

 

But to you, torture is funny, the guys at Gitmo are all terrorists (which beyond the government saying they are, where's the proof?), the world hates us for our freedoms, and it's our international job to "give" the world democracy as long as it's the one we want. My first post wasn't sincerely wishing your family were killed. They might be wonderful, intelligent people. I don't know them. My post was to say how much would you love a government if they have repeatedly been guilty of killing innocent people by drone strike. In one case killing an American citizen overseas, simply because we thought he might be dangerous. When you felt that was harsh to suggest, I moved on to the other issues that have been well reported. Our soldiers raping and killing innocent people. I should hope that doesn't happen to any of us here. Apparently if you live in Iraq or Afghanistan, where we have a military presence, you have a much higher risk of that happening than here in the US of A.

 

So answer me this. If a family member was considered collateral damage in a drone strike by a government who's military raped a 14 year old girl and killed a family in your neighborhood, would you be singing the Star Spangled Banner and watching re-runs of Seinfeld (assuming your infrastructure had been built up after those strikes and ongoing war to have electricity) or do you think you might be a little upset?

 

I have forgotten more about Mideast politics and international conflict and cooperation in that region than you'll ever have the ability to grasp. Keep trying. I'm always happy to embarrass a simpleton.

 

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:54 PM

Jesus and God approves of idefinite detention....

 

By the way we all complicit in what goes on in the world, this is how democracy hides it ugly side, unlike dictatorship or one-party system.

 

In a democracy, blame can be spread out to everyone cause the excuse is we all voted or approve of the gov't we ELECT.  This is why our gov't can't be held accountable because they spread the blame around

 

Now in a dicatorship or one-party rule, you know who/everyone  exactly is at fault.

 

I swear I don't want to get back into religion, especially with you, I don't mention it, but since you did I need proof that Jesus and God approve of indefinite detention, please get me the Bible verses or once again you are just talking out of your ass and your hatred for religion.

 

And I hope you are not trying to make a DICTATORSHIP more appealing than a DEMOCRACY, because that is asinine.  If you love dictatorships, go to North Korea until America finally just gives up and you can come back.  If you love dictatorships I'm sure you'd love it just as much if we made a conservative dictator for life or anyone of any religion to right?  This country has a broken corrupt and morally bankrupt government and I realize our freedoms are slowly being stripped away, but I would still live here than anywhere else in the world, at least until we "progress" towards your ideals

 

I don't want to derail another thread with religion with you, if you can't back up your statements (you stated it as fact, not your opinion or  feelings) than don't bother responding or changing the subject.  


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:14 PM

Jesus and God approves of idefinite detention....

 

By the way we all complicit in what goes on in the world, this is how democracy hides it ugly side, unlike dictatorship or one-party system.

 

In a democracy, blame can be spread out to everyone cause the excuse is we all voted or approve of the gov't we ELECT.  This is why our gov't can't be held accountable because they spread the blame around

 

Now in a dicatorship or one-party rule, you know who/everyone  exactly is at fault.

^This.

 

However, at the end of the day Democracy is still a better option when compared to a monarchy, dictatorship or a one-party rule system.  Although, one could argue that our two party system makes a sham of Democracy. At the end of the day, if people care enough they'll make sure their voices are heard. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on which side of the argument you stand on, the majority of our population doesn't seem to care about this issue... or should I rather say they can't be bothered with it.    


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:17 PM

First of all I was kidding about the Jesus and God line, because our Churchs are too busy collecting money, hating gays, hating women's rights, and fiddling with little alter boys to be too busy to stand up and talk about the injustice of what we allow our gov't to be involved in.

 

Even the pope can't bother condemning the hypocrasy of America

 

You only know America is best because you probably never left America to live anywhere else.

 

Now back to the point, I was making a statement as to why "TERRORISTs"  see all Americans as fair targets, and why Americans are complicit in the world's politics.  Our media is also a tool for gov't propaganda.

 

Believe me we have the power to shut down our gov't, we just choose not to.

 

Instead we are busy arguing about social issues and other people's rights instead of seeing the bigger picture of what our gov't is doing. 

 

So YAY!!!! Obama support gays and let all gays fall in love and marry, while he is approving drone strikes, indefinite detentions, un-restricitive spying....  But hey he love Gays, so he a good guy?



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:20 PM

Oh whoops, I thought it was gunnm that was the idiot that made it a Daniel Pearl thread. Sorry for not giving you credit for full stupidity.

 

You seem to be new in this corner of CAG. Your lack of logic, prevalent false equivalencies, and lack of knowledge on the topics are kind of a giveaway. I would hope other regulars have given you enough grief that you understand that by now.

 

But to you, torture is funny, the guys at Gitmo are all terrorists (which beyond the government saying they are, where's the proof?), the world hates us for our freedoms, and it's our international job to "give" the world democracy as long as it's the one we want. My first post wasn't sincerely wishing your family were killed. They might be wonderful, intelligent people. I don't know them. My post was to say how much would you love a government if they have repeatedly been guilty of killing innocent people by drone strike. In one case killing an American citizen overseas, simply because we thought he might be dangerous. When you felt that was harsh to suggest, I moved on to the other issues that have been well reported. Our soldiers raping and killing innocent people. I should hope that doesn't happen to any of us here. Apparently if you live in Iraq or Afghanistan, where we have a military presence, you have a much higher risk of that happening than here in the US of A.

 

So answer me this. If a family member was considered collateral damage in a drone strike by a government who's military raped a 14 year old girl and killed a family in your neighborhood, would you be singing the Star Spangled Banner and watching re-runs of Seinfeld (assuming your infrastructure had been built up after those strikes and ongoing war to have electricity) or do you think you might be a little upset?

 

I have forgotten more about Mideast politics and international conflict and cooperation in that region than you'll ever have the ability to grasp. Keep trying. I'm always happy to embarrass a simpleton.

 

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Yes torture is awesome, I said as much right?  I think my posts have been very anti war and big government.  I am not for this ongoing war, I do believe that some action was necessary after 9/11 but not being in CIA intelligence, I trusted the gov. to respond to the people who did it to us and was disappointed by the sideroads we took and still continue to take under this administration.  I personally wish we'd just stay out of every country all together, and only provide humanitarian aide to those poor people of all colors that I get pegged as hating and wanting dead.  If you bothered to read my posts I think you could have taken away at least that much.  Thanks for not reading and judging me.  

 

I am also not naive, I love our troops, I know some have done crimes and I hope that they are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.  I hope our government and military are actively ensuring that any rapes, murder and deaths are minimal if at all.  I will not lump them all together like you appear to do.  I am proud of their bravery, I think they are doing their job that they were ordered to do, these men and women are unfortunatly at the mercy of higher ranking people who may send them in to do things unjustly.  That is on the heads of those generals and people in charge.  I think any innocent life lost is a tragedy, and like any normal person it sickens me to read about it daily, but it does happen all over the world, not just in countries we are in, it's a sick world.  I hope we can stop giving aide to countries who don't share it with their people and hate us and give it to countries that want it with many poor undeveloped countries so that they can feed and take care of their own people and not rely on us, only for us to give them a head start.

 

With your condensation aside, I haven't read anything particulary intelligent that you have written here, you may have forgotten more than I know but you forgotten anything worth saying.  My original post here was clearly sarcastic, but he has an agenda with the video and there are shocking things done to our captured people to.  I don't know how you would oversee GITMO if you were in charge and these men were on a hunger strike, perhaps you can bless me with your intelligence.  I don't know where you think those in GITMO are completely innocent either, the official word is that at least some of them were people caught on the battlefield or training camps, they were terrorists.  I could be wrong, I guess trusting the media isn't valid in this day and age.  But I do know that Obama has been in the position to reevaluate it if he felt it was unjust, but from what I've seen, nothing has changed in 5 years in any way shape or form.  

 

Congrats about the family, I could insult you or put them in a vile senario and turn it around on you, to make a point, but I'm far more interested in how you would respond to GITMO based on this video and the hunger strike.  Trying to get this back on track, I don't mind the personal insult and such, but if you can't respond to what I say intelligently and stoop to others who get defensive and make personal attacks to those with a different opinion than it hardly seems worth disagreeing if we can have some level of respect in these forums, I will stay regardless though, I don't scare easily.  


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:35 PM

First of all I was kidding about the Jesus and God line, because our Churchs are too busy collecting money, hating gays, hating women's rights, and fiddling with little alter boys to be too busy to stand up and talk about the injustice of what we allow our gov't to be involved in.

 

Even the pope can't bother condemning the hypocrasy of America

 

You only know America is best because you probably never left America to live anywhere else.

 

Now back to the point, I was making a statement as to why "TERRORISTs"  see all Americans as fair targets, and why Americans are complicit in the world's politics.  Our media is also a tool for gov't propaganda.

 

Believe me we have the power to shut down our gov't, we just choose not to.

 

Instead we are busy arguing about social issues and other people's rights instead of seeing the bigger picture of what our gov't is doing. 

 

So YAY!!!! Obama support gays and let all gays fall in love and marry, while he is approving drone strikes, indefinite detentions, un-restricitive spying....  But hey he love Gays, so he a good guy?

 

Hey I'm all for accountability in the gov.  You and I agree on that much.  I do believe that things happen against local and international laws, nevermind moral or ethically, I can only imagine what we may do. But we disagree on what we'd be better off with, we are spending to much and not investing in our job market, we are not helping our people with an abundance of social programs, they are good for a safety net but I don't believe in people abusing them.  I don't believe the gov has done a good job in 20 years and I think that if we stay on this road we will collaspe under a wall of debt and failure.  We need better leadership in both parties, not a socialism system.  The system works, but the lack of accountability for the poor decisions made by both parties is hurting the average citizen to much. 

 

The other problem you and I have, is your constant bashing of religion, Christianity in particular.  I don't have thin skin, and Lord knows discrimination exists but is somehow considered exceptable by some here because we are the majority? which we are not? neither whites nor Christians are a majority or some BS.  My biggest problem with these forums, is the sweeping statement made, I admit I will take some slack by saying all atheists are self absorbed, I'll apologize for that, but you in particular make sweeping statement about conservaties hating all "brown people" which is utter BS and Jesus hating X Y or Z in this case he loved people being detained.  When you clearly know nothing of any religion nor do I think you've interacted with an actual conservative, and the stupid ones on youtube exist for any idea, party or race.  Its utter BS some of the things you say, ALL is an unfair word, and saying something like that and me not calling you out on it would have gone unchallenged.  Religion had no place in this thread, I didn't mention it, you brought it up.  Put aside your bias, try to stick with either the topic or what someone said that was relevant.  I'm tired of religion and white conservative crap with you, this thread is only one example, and if I regulary made a comment about all black democrats this or something I'd be hung up by my balls.  Not to mention it makes you ignorant of a lot of whats going on, I am willing to admit their are bad apples EVERYWHERE, if you can't distinguish racism and intolerance EVERYWHERE than you'll be the first and only person I ignore on this site.  I think you are more capable, but you drink the hateraide just a little bit to much.  


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

Sorry we don't hold our soldiers accountable, its only a dog and pony show to show that we care but in the end no one is really held accountable..  This is why Bush was never arrested and tried for war crimes

 

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

Yes torture is awesome, I said as much right?  I think my posts have been very anti war and big government.  I am not for this ongoing war, I do believe that some action was necessary after 9/11 but not being in CIA intelligence, I trusted the gov. to respond to the people who did it to us and was disappointed by the sideroads we took and still continue to take under this administration.  I personally wish we'd just stay out of every country all together, and only provide humanitarian aide to those poor people of all colors that I get pegged as hating and wanting dead.  If you bothered to read my posts I think you could have taken away at least that much.  Thanks for not reading and judging me.  

 

I am also not naive, I love our troops, I know some have done crimes and I hope that they are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.  I hope our government and military are actively ensuring that any rapes, murder and deaths are minimal if at all.  I will not lump them all together like you appear to do.  I am proud of their bravery, I think they are doing their job that they were ordered to do, these men and women are unfortunatly at the mercy of higher ranking people who may send them in to do things unjustly.  That is on the heads of those generals and people in charge.  I think any innocent life lost is a tragedy, and like any normal person it sickens me to read about it daily, but it does happen all over the world, not just in countries we are in, it's a sick world.  I hope we can stop giving aide to countries who don't share it with their people and hate us and give it to countries that want it with many poor undeveloped countries so that they can feed and take care of their own people and not rely on us, only for us to give them a head start.

 

With your condensation aside, I haven't read anything particulary intelligent that you have written here, you may have forgotten more than I know but you forgotten anything worth saying.  My original post here was clearly sarcastic, but he has an agenda with the video and there are shocking things done to our captured people to.  I don't know how you would oversee GITMO if you were in charge and these men were on a hunger strike, perhaps you can bless me with your intelligence.  I don't know where you think those in GITMO are completely innocent either, the official word is that at least some of them were people caught on the battlefield or training camps, they were terrorists.  I could be wrong, I guess trusting the media isn't valid in this day and age.  But I do know that Obama has been in the position to reevaluate it if he felt it was unjust, but from what I've seen, nothing has changed in 5 years in any way shape or form.  

 

Congrats about the family, I could insult you or put them in a vile senario and turn it around on you, to make a point, but I'm far more interested in how you would respond to GITMO based on this video and the hunger strike.  Trying to get this back on track, I don't mind the personal insult and such, but if you can't respond to what I say intelligently and stoop to others who get defensive and make personal attacks to those with a different opinion than it hardly seems worth disagreeing if we can have some level of respect in these forums, I will stay regardless though, I don't scare easily.  

 

When was I trying to scare you? Haa haa. Just trying to provide you with a world vision. I think that's the glaring thing I get from the handful of people on CAG who think they need to give every soldier a handjob out of thanks for their career choice. Have you traveled internationally? Have you been to any of these countries that "hate us"? Have you talked to or know anyone who was affected by overseas rape and killing at the hands of our government and military?

 

Anyone who truly believes Obama as an alternate to Bush/McCain/Romney is out of their mind IMO. He is every bit as guilty of having blood on his hands as Bush, he's just as big of a liar, and he has strengthened many of Bush's policies that I despised back then. He's one of our least effective Presidents in recent memory, and I wouldn't even call him the lesser of two evils. He is bad.

 

So now that you know you aren't arguing with a liberal (so no need to smack me), what would I do to GITMO? I'd shut that motherfucker down. If a State didn't like the idea of trying them, tough titty. I'd flex my muscle as the man in charge, and do it. Hell, if I wanted to be a prick, I could have them tried in Texas. The ones found guilty by a jury get the appropriate penalties and sentences, the ones found innocent by a jury are paid for their illegal detaining and sent back home immediately. Of course if you've been wrongfully imprisoned for almost a decade, I can't imagine you're going to be praising the US. It's just another example of the US actively creating the terrorists of tomorrow (a longer rant).

 

What about those in a hunger strike? I don't know of a better way to get them nutrients without allowing themselves to starve to death. Perhaps it's possible to apply anesthesia, or some other method, the force-feeding of detainees bothers me, but if they're going to allow themselves to die, that's a real pickle. A question that needs to be asked is why are these people so emotionally destroyed, that they want to die? It's quite a statement that so many of them would rather lose their lives than live imprisoned (falsely or not).

 

These people who were fighting against US troops are not part of a military, they are not part of a sovereign nation, they were fighting against a foreign military in and around their homes. God forbid Canada ever invade, but if they did come rolling through, I'd push back pretty hard, with any means I had.

 

If your original post was sarcastic (and utterly unrelated), then why wouldn't mine be taken as both sarcastic, and unrelated? The highroad is cute, but it's more effective if you start on that path, not climb up the side after slinging mud too. Without an educated world view, and a bias that the US is the beacon of hope and shining example for other nations, I don't feel your xenophobia will ever let you consider that it's not everyone else around us who are always wrong. Between Great Britain and the US, I'm not sure who has destabilized the entire globe more.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:11 PM

I am not a fan of most religion, with the exception to possibly Hinduism/Buddistism/Taoism since they don't really have any violent past or care much about enforcing some werid religious dogma into gov'ts



#27 jputahraptor

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:35 PM

When was I trying to scare you? Haa haa. Just trying to provide you with a world vision. I think that's the glaring thing I get from the handful of people on CAG who think they need to give every soldier a handjob out of thanks for their career choice. Have you traveled internationally? Have you been to any of these countries that "hate us"? Have you talked to or know anyone who was affected by overseas rape and killing at the hands of our government and military?

 

Anyone who truly believes Obama as an alternate to Bush/McCain/Romney is out of their mind IMO. He is every bit as guilty of having blood on his hands as Bush, he's just as big of a liar, and he has strengthened many of Bush's policies that I despised back then. He's one of our least effective Presidents in recent memory, and I wouldn't even call him the lesser of two evils. He is bad.

 

So now that you know you aren't arguing with a liberal (so no need to smack me), what would I do to GITMO? I'd shut that motherfucker down. If a State didn't like the idea of trying them, tough titty. I'd flex my muscle as the man in charge, and do it. Hell, if I wanted to be a prick, I could have them tried in Texas. The ones found guilty by a jury get the appropriate penalties and sentences, the ones found innocent by a jury are paid for their illegal detaining and sent back home immediately. Of course if you've been wrongfully imprisoned for almost a decade, I can't imagine you're going to be praising the US. It's just another example of the US actively creating the terrorists of tomorrow (a longer rant).

 

What about those in a hunger strike? I don't know of a better way to get them nutrients without allowing themselves to starve to death. Perhaps it's possible to apply anesthesia, or some other method, the force-feeding of detainees bothers me, but if they're going to allow themselves to die, that's a real pickle. A question that needs to be asked is why are these people so emotionally destroyed, that they want to die? It's quite a statement that so many of them would rather lose their lives than live imprisoned (falsely or not).

 

These people who were fighting against US troops are not part of a military, they are not part of a sovereign nation, they were fighting against a foreign military in and around their homes. God forbid Canada ever invade, but if they did come rolling through, I'd push back pretty hard, with any means I had.

 

If your original post was sarcastic (and utterly unrelated), then why wouldn't mine be taken as both sarcastic, and unrelated? The highroad is cute, but it's more effective if you start on that path, not climb up the side after slinging mud too. Without an educated world view, and a bias that the US is the beacon of hope and shining example for other nations, I don't feel your xenophobia will ever let you consider that it's not everyone else around us who are always wrong. Between Great Britain and the US, I'm not sure who has destabilized the entire globe more.

 

You weren't scarring me, I didn't mean that literally, just that I don't run away when someone makes a snarky post. 

 

I appreciate your honesty in not really knowing how to deal with the hunger strike in a better way.  You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't, they should be knocked out if need be, but by doing a hunger strike are you going to agree to being knocked out to be fed?  Some degree of force will be used, lest they starve to death.  I agree that we need to prosecute these people, I'm going to bow out because I do not have the facts of these people, where they were caught, what evidence if any there is, but nonetheless, it's on Obama and congresses head.  

 

I don't get where you get Xenophobia from on my part.  It's a bold and unfair claim to make considering nothing I stated hints at that.  Your posts could come across as Un-American but I know that's not the case.  Even if I was uncompromising on my love for the US, (which I am very critical of, see above, you really need to read!!!! oh educated and unbiased one  :bow: ) is this country not a racially diverse one, as is our soldiers.  I have not stated nor do I have a fear of anyone, so that part of your post is assuming and falls short.  Again I am all for pulling out of these wars, stopping aide to countries that hate us, and helping countries that need the aide for their poor people, people of any color.  I understand your point of us making terrorists, history will judge our war on terror and what the right strategies would have been.  We have made mistakes, I think from this thread alone you can see I am critical of the gov. and decisions made.  As you state, these are not soldiers of a military and the Geneva conventions don't apply to Al-Queda so the US is legally within it's right.  Obama campaigned on due process but nothing came of it.  Now as to why, it's a form of protest, lot of people do it.  It's can't be a get out of jail free card and it is up to Obama and congress who are in charge of Gitmo to do something about it.  Has Obama responded to the hunger strike or done anything?  I haven't heard anything.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:39 PM

By the way did anyone point out that most of the CRIMES commited ( during our war ) were WHITE MALES from pretty conservative states?



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:40 PM

By the way did anyone point out that most of the CRIMES commited ( during our war ) were WHITE MALES from pretty conservative states?

 

Again can you site that in anyway, I haven't seen any breakdowns online of war crimes by race and region, love to see that proof you have.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

Example 1

White male from Kentucky ( great right wing conservative state )

http://www.dailymail...her-family.html

 

Example 2

White male

http://www.guardian....s-pleads-guilty

 

Example 3

White male ( puppy thrower )

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