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#1 Abear21

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:13 AM

Are you early adopters ready for limited variety?

 

I'm buying the PS4 day one, but I don't know how good to feel about that.  Hopefully Killzone and the free version of Drive Club will be awesome, but maybe they won't be and I'll just want to play GTAV essentially wasting spending MSRP dollars day one.  Consoles are strictly about games and having variety on the shelf.

 

IF a critical launch title flops, or simply turns out to be average and not "must own" consoles in the early years suddenly have a tough sell.  Of course, reviews ultimately play a huge part in this process and reading the article on IGN about the graphics on of the PS4 version of Battlefield 4 being inferior lead me to think about how important early titles are to the success of a console.  

 

At the same time I really want to know what type of difference are we talking about graphically for multiplatform games from PS3/360 to PS4/One?  Are the new games coming this fall, like NBA2k, Madden, COD, AC Black Flag, and Watch Dogs still going to look and play great and on par with next gen on the 360 and PS3?  Or is EA, Ubisoft, and Activision going to nail the next gen freshman year and have these titles looking and playing flawlessly on next gen consoles?

 

I could see the PS4 version of Battlefield not being that great, but if the console is so easy to develop on why shouldn't it be?  What other games could you see being suspect at launch?  I'm guessing Watch Dogs will run better on One for some reason but Killzone will blow everything away, but not critically.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:16 AM

It's going to be a few months to a year for the BIG next gen titles to hit. Look at Oblivion that came out in Spring 06 vs. the rest of the 360 launch lineup.

 

Infamous 3 looks tight in February. Witcher 3 seems like it's going to be awesome next fall. Titanfall will probably be the XB1's version of Oblivion and debut to huge sales, at least to those with broadband internet.


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#3 Abear21

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:25 AM

I can definitely see Titanfall being amazing and could see myself buying One for that game. Destiny is going to be huge as well and that's another title that I wonder if will play equally across platforms. 



#4 io

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:01 AM

Well, at least with PS4 we'll be getting some PS+ content (beyond Drive Club).  That way I'll have games to play for it without buying too many others that first year.  I may get Knack and that's probably about it.

 

I also have a One preordered and that is a little more problematic.  My son wants Dead Rising 3 at launch so I'll have to consider that even though that is not the sort of game I like to pay any more than $20 for.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:20 PM

I can definitely see Titanfall being amazing and could see myself buying One for that game. Destiny is going to be huge as well and that's another title that I wonder if will play equally across platforms. 

you do realize they are comparing the pc version to the ps4 version right? i still think a tricked out pc gaming rig is going to beat the ps4 and xbox one hands down on graphics. the main thing being very few people can afford to buy, and keep updated, a pc of that caliber.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

The big problem with the PS4/X1 launches are that so many of the games are also coming out for the 360/PS3 and I have a feeling those games are going to have slightly better graphics and that is it.  I don't remember it being like that for the 360/PS3 launches other than sports games, although I could be wrong.

 

The PS4 launch lineup exclusives are weaker to me than what X1 has coming out.  Of all the launch lineup games Dead Rising 3 is the one I'm most excited for probably followed by Forza 5, so I'm definitely looking more forward to the X1.  I didn't think Killzone 2 or 3 was very good, but Killzone Shadow Fall is the only PS4 game I have pre-ordered.

 

I completely understand people holding off for both of the launches this year, there's so many good games coming out for current gen.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:55 PM

The big problem with the PS4/X1 launches are that so many of the games are also coming out for the 360/PS3 and I have a feeling those games are going to have slightly better graphics and that is it.  I don't remember it being like that for the 360/PS3 launches other than sports games, although I could be wrong.

 

The PS4 launch lineup exclusives are weaker to me than what X1 has coming out.  Of all the launch lineup games Dead Rising 3 is the one I'm most excited for probably followed by Forza 5, so I'm definitely looking more forward to the X1.  I didn't think Killzone 2 or 3 was very good, but Killzone Shadow Fall is the only PS4 game I have pre-ordered.

 

I completely understand people holding off for both of the launches this year, there's so many good games coming out for current gen.

What's coming out for the 360 next year????



#8 tbassett

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:27 PM

What's coming out for the 360 next year????

 

I meant for this holiday.  Watch Dogs, BF4, COD: Ghosts, AC4, there's a bunch.  Although Castlevania: LOS2 I think comes out in February?  That will be a good game.



#9 Richard Kain

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:45 PM

This console cycle is going to see very few exclusive titles that aren't being developed in-house from 1st party studios. It will be a good two years before we see the real big console exclusives dropping for the PS4 and XBox One.

 

The fact of the matter is that the current console cycle is heavily entrenched with affordable hardware and still plenty of room for sales growth. Both the PS3 and XBox 360 could see another 10 to 15 million units in sales. And both will still be viable for software sales for some time. The next-gen consoles will need some time to really pick up speed in the current market, and true exclusives for them are going to represent a major risk for developers and publishers. Expect a lot of the early exclusives for these systems to come from smaller, experimental development teams.



#10 dmaul1114

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:01 PM

I'm fine with Killzone and the indie stuff on PS+ for the PS4 launch.  Maybe DriveClub too, but I'm not huge into racers.

 

I still have plenty to play on PS3, and a 3DS as well.  Mainly just getting the PS4 at launch (assuming I don't change my mind between now and then) to support them for not packing in a camera (I hate motion/voice control stuff) and not trying to pull DRM, online checks etc.  Granted, they may well have tried that stuff if MS hadn't gone first and gotten killed over it, so the lack of a camera/motion controls is the bigger factor for me.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:15 PM

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if my PS4 ends up on the auction block. My next-gen high is definitely wearing off... lots of games look nice, and I’m sure more than a few will be quite fun, but there just hasn’t been anything yet that makes me say “Wow, so THIS is the future of gaming!”

 

There were plenty of titles that did that back in the 360 days: Modern Warfare, Gears of War, Oblivion, Assassin’s Creed… games that not only looked, but played like nothing I’d seen before. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be anything at launch or even in the immediate future that looks to provide that kind of experience… plenty of sequels with minor improvements and the like, but that’s not really what I’m looking for.

 

The only game I’m really dying to play is GTA V, and I don’t need a PS4 for that.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:36 PM

It won't matter I have enough PS3, and XBOX content to last a long time. Even if my launch PS4 sits awhile I'm ok with that.


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#13 GOTA

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:41 PM

The lineup looks better than it has for past generations.



#14 dmaul1114

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:47 PM

The lineup looks better than it has for past generations.


The biggest problem is that so much of it is also coming out on current gen systems.

And the exlusives like Killzone, Knack, Forza aren't really system seller type games for huge numbers of people. There's not a Mario 64 or Halo that's something new and exciting to get people really amped for next gen.

Just mostly a bunch of stuff coming to current gen machines, that was probably built for the current gen machines and ported up to X1/PS4 and thus won't push the hardware very much.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 10:12 PM

My next-gen high is definitely wearing off... lots of games look nice, and I’m sure more than a few will be quite fun, but there just hasn’t been anything yet that makes me say “Wow, so THIS is the future of gaming!”

I've been thinking this since E3, I really want to be excited for this next gen everything pretty much looks the same to me.

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#16 Halo05

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:59 AM

I had both preordered until I realized the one game that will be out before Christmas that I really want to play is Forza 5. I wound up cancelling both my potential future PS4 and XBox One.

 

Hopefully GT6 is fun enough to fill my sim driving urges.

 

EDIT - And really, I got into the previous generation when Oblivion hit the 360. I think I might wait until something along those lines comes out for either system. Fallout 4?


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#17 Dnipro Cojiro

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:26 AM

I'll wait for over a year at lest more likely than not. See how everybody on the net thinks of the PS4's before I dare think of saving up for one.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:09 PM

I am, yes.

 

It is disappointing that the majority of games at launch are on the new consoles can be purchased on their predecessors, but nevertheless I am both interested and excited. The Xbox 360 and PS3 both were kind of dodgy at launch. Yet, what made everyone excited and what made everyone hopeful was how significantly different it all looked. 

 

And that is where the ignorance and self-entitlement of most gamers comes into play. Visually games, as of today and from what we have seen, do not look all that different. Obviously this will change in the future, but, more importantly, the next generation of gaming isn't what we see. It is instead the little things. If one fails to see the capacity the new generation holds, then they simply are not paying attention or being creative enough in their thought.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:28 PM

I probably have enough current gen content to last until a console revision. Add in last generation RPG content and I probably have enough to last an additional price drop, as well.


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#20 siraether

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:14 AM

Its like this every time new consoles are released. Even the original PS had a weird or seemingly lackluster launch lineup. Except when you played Battle Arena Toshinden and Ridge Racer and realized what gems they were. I wish they would make a next-gen Battle Arena Toshinden game. I loved that series.



#21 dmaul1114

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:14 PM

Ended up canceling my PS4 preorder yesterday for mostly that reason.  Killzone isn't enough to pay $400 at launch, not really any interest in the other launch games.

 

I also still have 10-15 games to get through on PS3, and I haven't been gaming as much lately and that's not going to pick up much in the fall as I'm swamped with work and have 3 or 4 long trips planned.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 07:41 PM

Launch systems always has problems, bugs, firmware etc...The launch titles don't look too great, so I don't see any reason to get one at this point. The majority of people buying this are trying/hoping to resell it.

 

The main reason I bought a PS3 over a 360 at launch, because I knew PS3 was going to get lots of exclusive jRPGs, although the library wasn't as great as PS2 gen's.

 

Never really cared for handhelds, but I really hope we see some continuing franchise such as Breath of Fire, Onimusha, Xenosaga, Shin Megami Series and Megaman this upcoming platform gen.


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#23 argyle

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:26 PM

I always find it silly when people judge a system by its launch lineup.  I had SSX for a good 6 months on my PS2 as my only game, and I think when I finally bought something else it was that mediocre Star Wars space shooter (Starfighter?).  

 

But I was still happy with my purchase, because I *loved* SSX and within the first year of the system's launch I got quite a few other games that were great - Klonoa 2 and Silent Hill 2 come to mind.  The system definitely didn't drop in price during that first year, so what would the difference had been had I waited?  Not a lot.  

 

Now if you're content to stick with the current gen for another year or more, there's certainly no harm in that.  Yes, there are a lot of games still coming for those systems and we all probably have backlogs of games we haven't played yet.  And besides, a game console is not a life necessity so it really doesn't matter anyway.

 

I'm getting my PS4 at launch to play the upgraded versions of Watch Dogs & AC4, and I'll probably pickup Killzone: SF as well.  And I'm really looking forward to inFamous: SS in Feb. and I'm sure there will be several other things next year that make me glad I have one.  And I'll enjoy playing around with the new bells & whistles of the console itself.  But at the same time, it's not like I'm tossing my PS3 - I'll still be play Castlevania: LoS2, Tales of Symphonia HD, Tales of Xillia 2, etc. on it next year.  It's all good.  :)


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#24 dmaul1114

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:51 PM

I don't think anyone judges a system based on it's launch line up.

 

But it is the main determinant for most in whether it's worthwhile to pick up a system at launch, vs. waiting until more games are out and there may be a price drop or retailer sale/promo to make it a better value.

 

And, again, a big problem with these launches is pretty much all the big 3rd party games are coming to current gen machines as well, which lessens the incentive to take the plunge right now for many.  I mean what's the point of paying $400-500 for a new console to play CoD Ghosts--especially when for many most of the friends they game with may not be buying new consoles at launch.  So you just get a slighly prettier version of CoD, Battlefield or whatever and fewer friends to play it with.

 

Lastly, while the console prices may not drop for people who wait six months to a year (or more) to buy, launch game prices will drop as more retailers have sales, more copies hit the used market etc. So by waiting a while to get a PS4, I may still pay $400 for the console, but I'll probably be able to get Killzone for less than $60 and maybe some retailers will give free giftcards with system purchase etc. by then.  

 

So I decided that was a better plan for myself, vs. buying at launch and paying a premium on the console and games to mostly have it gather dust given my lack of interest in the launch games as a whole, and the fact I'll be traveling a lot and gaming less this fall anyway.


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#25 io

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:03 PM

I agree with most of what has been said here.   I really ought to be waiting a year or more like I did with the PS3 and 360.  The only consoles I have ever gotten at launch were the Wii and Wii U.  That latter was because Pikmin 3 and Rayman Legends were supposed to be out shortly after launch - so I kind if had a bait and switch there.  I'm glad I have it now since Pikmin 3 is out and my son messes around on MiiVerse daily.  But it was great getting the 360 and PS3 after there was a decent library (got 360 after Oblivion game out and PS3 after LBP came out).

 

And yet here I sit with both new systems preordered and I will most likely be getting them.  But there are two mitigating factors this time.

 

1) My 13 year-old son is pretty much a MS fanboy and wants the One and Dead Rising 3 so at least I have a reason to get one at launch.   He is also looking forward to Minecraft on it.  I also have a ton of MS points from the 1200 points sale a while back so I can pick up DR3 and a couple of smaller games with those and not spend any cash.

 

2) I am personally looking more forward to the PS4 and would probably have gotten that even if I didn't have kids to factor in.  The free PS+ stuff that I'll get makes it a no-brainer pickup IMO.  Without that I'd be much more hesitant.  I have Knack preordered (and I'm a bit pissed I never got to play it at PAX because of the lines but oh well).  But otherwise I will rely on the PS+ stuff.  I did play Drive Club at PAX - it looks amazing but I'm not that into racers.   I'll certainly download it though.  There was also a free to download shooter called Warframe that is coming at launch that was actually kind of fun.  Though I think it is multiplayer only and I'm not that into multiplayer FPS games (though the demo we did was coop - at least that is better than deathmatch type stuff).  But I'm more looking forward to the indie stuff.  Octodad of course is interesting.  And then I also played Contrast and that game has a very cool look to it.

 

After playing these and a few One games (Lococycle and Titanfall) I can say for sure that the games already do look better than current gen stuff.  Yeah, it isn't night and day like with the last console transition, but it is a noticeable difference.  But then again the best looking game I played at PAX was probably the new Mario 3D world for the Wii U. And while everyone is fond of pointing out that that is "current gen tech", just seeing a smooth-running full HD Mario game is pretty awesome.  Nintendo really nailed the animations - the new cat suits in particular are awesome looking.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:08 PM

IO, i always wanted to ask you. what kind of job do you have . Is being a moderator your real life job? it seems you have alot of time to spend gaming with your kids, and trade games. lol



#27 io

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:17 PM

Oh, yeah, because being a moderator pays so well.  Oh wait, it doesn't pay at all ;).

 

I am a software engineer.  But I work from home.  I don't have all that much time to play games, but I am on the computer a lot.  I am still decompressing from PAX but I need to get back to work soon - the bills they are piling up.  When you see me on CAG I am usually procrastinating ;).

 

I also don't really have a lot of time to trade games - I can barely get out once a week to make a run to GS or something.  The problem is that I don't really live close to that stuff - it is all 20-30 miles round trip.  Now that school is starting back up I have all that and other kid activities (soccer practice, dance practice, guitar lessons, etc) to deal with.

 

I don't even see how I'll have time to set up these new systems let alone play them.  But then I'm not the only one here so they will get played more by others than by me.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:22 PM

 

Oh, yeah, because being a moderator pays so well.  Oh wait, it doesn't pay at all ;).
 
I am a software engineer.  But I work from home.  I don't have all that much time to play games, but I am on the computer a lot.  I am still decompressing from PAX but I need to get back to work soon - the bills they are piling up.  When you see me on CAG I am usually procrastinating ;).
 
I also don't really have a lot of time to trade games - I can barely get out once a week to make a run to GS or something.  The problem is that I don't really live close to that stuff - it is all 20-30 miles round trip.

Oh, i see. because out of the all the moderators you post the most, especially in deals forum like the gamestop tiv/ amazon trade in almost daily.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:26 AM

I'm personally looking forward to Watch Dogs day one on my Xbox One. Yes, I realize it is available on the other platforms including current gen, but it should look so much prettier on next gen. As for the other games, there's promise for a few diamonds in the rough. Dead Rising 3 (an exclusive) could prove to be a very fun game, but we'll see.



#30 Blaster man

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:11 PM

I'm personally looking forward to Watch Dogs day one on my Xbox One. Yes, I realize it is available on the other platforms including current gen, but it should look so much prettier on next gen. As for the other games, there's promise for a few diamonds in the rough. Dead Rising 3 (an exclusive) could prove to be a very fun game, but we'll see.

I haven't made my final decision but I'm probably going to cancel my PS4 preorder and my PS4 Watch Dogs preorder.  Then I'll just get Watch Dogs for PS4 when it's cheap and hoard it until I get a PS4.  At least that's the plan unless they give me some good reason to keep the preorder.  I have so many games on 360/PS3 that I haven't played yet.  It would be a waste of money...

 

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One of the things that I hate about console launches is all the bullshit claims that the manufacturers make.  Pie in the sky nonsense that never pans out.