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#91 Finger_Shocker

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:08 PM

No one went to war when we banned CHILD Labor...

 

We must succeed and stop having BIG brother tell us what our kids can or can't do..........



#92 speedracer

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:07 AM

hooooooooooo buddy. 

 

Also,

 

It was slavery. You show me a facet of America in tension at the time, and I'll describe how it was slavery that poisoned the well. Economics of slavery was front and center. Can't go to a free state because you'll lose your property. And with entire states and regions having capital holders literally own labor without constraint, well, yea, you can't really think American economics without slavery. Imagine what that does to employment levels. Hell, you can't even use new states coming into the union as an unemployment release valve if they come in as slave states. But if you don't allow slave states, the balance of power will tilt towards anti-slavery states...

 

Yea, Lincoln didn't care about slavery. My response to that: motherfukkin gangsta azzzz Salmon Chase, son. Checkmate and shit. 

 

The confederate flag is fucking retarded. It's a self-mark of idiocy. Southern pride. loooooooooooooooooooool. Prideful that they've never done a goddamn thing worth half a Fuck in their entire existence. It's a wink and a nod between racist white people. 

 

/Why yes, I do live in Texas. Why do you ask?


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#93 Msut77

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:23 AM

The south started the war. Fort Sumter, you know. The war was over slavery read the cornerstone speech by Alexander Stephens.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:08 AM

If your experience with actual Tea Party members has majorly been with racist assholes, then you need to move. I've been to a couple of meetings locally and have met members of all races in the Tea Party. They generally are small business owners with families. Running our country with a balanced budget and efficiency in mind are the major tenets of their ideology that I hear. Judging them solely on what the media tells you is like thinking that all Democrats are Anthony Weiner or Rev. Al. As far as displaying the Confederate flag, go ahead, but don't be surprised when people pre-judge you. I wouldn't feel comfortable displaying one because of how most of my friends would feel.(I do know a few people who do display one.)



#95 Blaster man

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:27 PM

If your experience with actual Tea Party members has majorly been with racist assholes, then you need to move. I've been to a couple of meetings locally and have met members of all races in the Tea Party. They generally are small business owners with families. Running our country with a balanced budget and efficiency in mind are the major tenets of their ideology that I hear. Judging them solely on what the media tells you is like thinking that all Democrats are Anthony Weiner or Rev. Al. As far as displaying the Confederate flag, go ahead, but don't be surprised when people pre-judge you. I wouldn't feel comfortable displaying one because of how most of my friends would feel.(I do know a few people who do display one.)

A well balanced budget isn't what the tea party stands for.  It stands for virtually no government, no taxes, and a well balanced budget (easy to do with no government services).  The majority of the country likes the national weather center and it's predictions of hurricane's.  The country likes the national parks.  There are actually a lot of government services that are valuable and the tea party wants to eliminate all of these because they aren't "essential".  Essential just means that the federal agents, military, etc are still operating (but won't be paid until the budget is passed).  Of course once some FBI agents or some other federal law enforcement officer/agent retires they can't be replaced because the HR department is non-essential.

 

The tea party is an extreme minority even within the republican party.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:20 PM

Then can we at least agree that it's time to stop politicizing our soldiers? I love our troops, and they shouldn't be pawns in this government shutdown. They fought so that Sarah Palin could tell us they fought for veteran's memorials to be open. God bless our troops. They are above politics and shouldn't be brought in to issues about how Obama is a socialist Muslim, because we shouldn't exploit the troops. I support our active and discharged troops. They shouldn't have to read a Quran just to get in to a memorial. The troops deserve better than this. They fought so that Congress could be useless. So Congress could have good healthcare, amazing hours, and several mistresses.

 

It's time to keep politics out of our love for the troops. I love the troops. A lot.



#97 Blaster man

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:34 PM

Then can we at least agree that it's time to stop politicizing our soldiers? I love our troops, and they shouldn't be pawns in this government shutdown. They fought so that Sarah Palin could tell us they fought for veteran's memorials to be open. God bless our troops. They are above politics and shouldn't be brought in to issues about how Obama is a socialist Muslim, because we shouldn't exploit the troops. I support our active and discharged troops. They shouldn't have to read a Quran just to get in to a memorial. The troops deserve better than this. They fought so that Congress could be useless. So Congress could have good healthcare, amazing hours, and several mistresses.
 
It's time to keep politics out of our love for the troops. I love the troops. A lot.


Agreed, as soon as they pass a budget that funds the park service they will reopen. In the meantime Republican activists should stop trespassing.

#98 berzirk

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

Agreed, as soon as they pass a budget that funds the park service they will reopen. In the meantime Republican activists should stop trespassing.

You hate the troops.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 10:10 PM

A well balanced budget isn't what the tea party stands for.  It stands for virtually no government, no taxes, and a well balanced budget (easy to do with no government services).  The majority of the country likes the national weather center and it's predictions of hurricane's.  The country likes the national parks.  There are actually a lot of government services that are valuable and the tea party wants to eliminate all of these because they aren't "essential".  Essential just means that the federal agents, military, etc are still operating (but won't be paid until the budget is passed).  Of course once some FBI agents or some other federal law enforcement officer/agent retires they can't be replaced because the HR department is non-essential.

 

The tea party is an extreme minority even within the republican party.

Extremists.. LoL



#100 Msut77

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:18 PM

Ego, this is weaker than you ragging on the websites crashing. Hang it up or get better ammo.


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#101 Blaster man

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:26 PM

The House GOP's Little Rule Change That Guaranteed A Shutdown

http://talkingpoints...down?c=upworthy

"Under normal House rules, according to House Democrats, once that bill had been rejected again by the Senate, then any member of the House could have made a motion to vote on the Senate's bill. Such a motion would have been what is called "privileged" and entitled to a vote of the full House. At that point, Democrats say, they could have joined with moderate Republicans in approving the motion and then in passing the clean Senate bill, averting a shutdown."

 

Holy shit what is wrong with the Republican's.  "Democracy has been suspended."

 

http://www.youtube.c...Jd-iaYLO1A#t=49



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:31 AM

Ego, this is weaker than you ragging on the websites crashing. Hang it up or get better ammo.

What are you babbling about? Define the "this" in your statement, please. And I have yet to begin ragging on the piss poor implementation, over spending, and inefficiency of their half baked website. I'm waiting to see the numbers first.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:37 AM

The House GOP's Little Rule Change That Guaranteed A Shutdown

http://talkingpoints...down?c=upworthy

"Under normal House rules, according to House Democrats, once that bill had been rejected again by the Senate, then any member of the House could have made a motion to vote on the Senate's bill. Such a motion would have been what is called "privileged" and entitled to a vote of the full House. At that point, Democrats say, they could have joined with moderate Republicans in approving the motion and then in passing the clean Senate bill, averting a shutdown."

 

Holy shit what is wrong with the Republican's.  "Democracy has been suspended."

 

http://www.youtube.c...Jd-iaYLO1A#t=49

Or the Democrats could have passed all of the efforts to fund everything BUT Obamacare like the Republicans put forth. No shutdown and then negotiations could take place without a phony crisis. A lot of these guys ran on repealing or defunding Obamacare, if they did not do everything in their power to do so, then wouldn't they be hypocrites?



#104 Msut77

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:49 AM

What are you babbling about? Define the "this" in your statement, please. And I have yet to begin ragging on the piss poor implementation, over spending, and inefficiency of their half baked website. I'm waiting to see the numbers first.

You mean waiting for some one to spoon feed you a talking point. You have an aversion to numbers and evidence as seen in our "welfare" back and forth.

 

Now you are defending the hostage taking, where do you draw line for "everything in their power" the  opposing sides pets? Their kids?


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:17 AM


Now you are defending the hostage taking, where do you draw line for "everything in their power" the  opposing sides pets? Their kids?

Whew, I love to watch you butcher the English language. And please don't speak of being spoon fed talking points while using drama queen words like "hostage taking". Which liberal blowhard did you ape that gem from?



#106 Blaster man

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:00 AM

Or the Democrats could have passed all of the efforts to fund everything BUT Obamacare like the Republicans put forth. No shutdown and then negotiations could take place without a phony crisis. A lot of these guys ran on repealing or defunding Obamacare, if they did not do everything in their power to do so, then wouldn't they be hypocrites?

Wait a second, you quoted me where I showed that the normal rules were suspended.  How would it have been hypocritical for a Democrat to request the vote under the normal rules and for the Republican's to vote against it?  That makes absolutely no sense.  I guess the normal rules of the House of Reps aren't good enough for these guys.  I'm sure the Democrats will remember that in a few years.  It's foolhardy to believe that they'll control it forever.

 

 

 

 

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Wait a second, who the hell elected the Heritage Foundation?  Even Fox News can't spin this one.

http://www.foxnews.c...in-response-to/



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:47 AM

Yes, they were. The Civil War was fought not over slavery, despite what YOU may think. It was a war because the South seceded from the Union. The Union didn't like it, so they waged war against the South. Ever wonder why there's 13 white stars on the confederate flag? Probably not. Too much thinking for you, more than likely. You just do whatever everyone tells you, right?

There are 13 Confederate states; Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Missouri. One star for each flag. These were the states of the C.S.A. and their flag was, as you idiots call it, "the racist flag". Southerners fly this flag because it's a symbol of rebellion and independence.

Oh, and as for the "enslavement of the colored ones", not every Confederate citizen/soldier had slaves. For example, Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and Joseph E. Johnston owned not a single slave nor did they believe in slavery. Also, there was slavery in the North, too. Maryland, for example, had slaves.

Now go get an education before you hurt yourself.

 

Kentucky and Missouri weren't in the CSA.  Funny how you tell other people to go get an education.



#108 dohdough

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:12 PM

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#109 irideabike

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:50 PM

This shut down is just killing me.

 

still about the same here.


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#110 Blaster man

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:54 PM

Just read a quick blurb that the Senate is about done with their deal.  It looks like the Republican's are getting rolled.  They aren't even getting their repeal of the medical devices tax that they had been talking about as a possible compromise.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:57 PM

Yup. I have the news in the background and they're saying that it's just about a done deal. Republicans got jacked...or that's the impression they're giving.

 

edit: I wonder if Cruz is going to filibuster. :D


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:14 PM

Yup. I have the news in the background and they're saying that it's just about a done deal. Republicans got jacked...or that's the impression they're giving.

 

edit: I wonder if Cruz is going to filibuster. :D

 

He'd better not if he knows that's good for him. That being said, he probably will. Even his hometown regrets endorsing him: http://abcnews.go.co...ts-endorsement/



#113 Blaster man

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:15 PM

He'd better not if he knows that's good for him. That being said, he probably will. Even his hometown regrets endorsing him: http://abcnews.go.co...ts-endorsement/

No way, no one wants to be the face of the next recession during the next election cycle or in perpetuity in the history books.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:24 PM

If there's one thing I've learned from the GOP over the last few years is that they love being on the wrong side of history and will actively kick and scream to stay there.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:44 PM

Hmmm...looks like the bargain was to keep the sequestration cuts. Welp, I guess it's a compromise.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:19 PM

The Clean CR that would've prevented this also had the House spending levels without any negotiation from the Senate.  A shutdown for nothing.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:46 PM

^Pretty much. It ended up just being a big "FUCK YOU" to over a million people because teabaggers couldn't help themselves and establishment Republicans are scared shitless over being primaried. One big clusterfuck.


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#118 berzirk

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:23 PM

^Pretty much. It ended up just being a big "FUCK YOU" to over a million people because teabaggers couldn't help themselves and establishment Republicans are scared shitless over being primaried. One big American Politics.

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#119 Blaster man

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:00 PM

In 2011 we would have had the "grand bargain" with cuts and taxes to reduce the deficits if not for the tea baggers in the House of Reps that wouldn't allow it because of the tax increases.  Maybe after this whole debacle enough of them will be removed from office in 2014 that we can have a government that can actually govern.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:19 PM

The military complex and current police state USA spying cost more money then all the current benefit programs combined....

 

No one seem to care about that budget.

 

Oh and the CIA, NSA all have their funding classified, so we basically don't know how much money they are actually using