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CAGcast #339: Shipwreck is Unimpressed

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#31 bickle

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:53 PM

CAG #339

1:30 Cincinatti Pinball


9:00 Show Feedback
9:00 - Taco Bell
12:30 - GTA V navigation
14:15 Don't Watch This: Iron Man 3
19:30 New Releases
19:30 - NBA 2k14
23:00 - World of Tanks
25:45 - Carps and Dragons
26:00 - Etrian Odyssey
29:45 GTA Online
37:45 Scribblenauts Unmasked
43:15 Steam Controller
50:45 Nintendo Direct; Donkey Kong delay, SMB cats
53:30 Cagbag
53:30 - Chances for initial run problems
58:00 - Retron5
1:00:00 - NeoGAF
1:06:00 - Mandatory install sizes
1:08:45 - Resell market for consoles

#32 joyce_181502

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:00 PM

It's not a money issue. I didn't enjoy Grand Theft Auto IV. I didn't enjoy L.A. Noire. I didn't enjoy Red Dead Redemption. I didn't enjoy Max Payne 3. How many times do I have to play a game that I don't enjoy?

I feel the same way #gta5buyersremorse

 

 

I'm surprised by all the Iron Man 3 hate.  That movie was much better than the stupidness of Iron Man 2.  Cheapy and Wombat's complaints all seemed to come from them not "knowing or understanding" Iron Man (which seems contradictory based on talk about Iron Man in earlier podcasts).

 

Tony Stark is supposed to be one of those "I know I'm smarter than you, and thus you're slowing me down" jerk types.  Tony Stark knows that it's about having the proper tool (e.g., an Iron Man "Hulkbuster" suit) to fit the job (e.g., fighting the Hulk).

 

Based on how the second movie referenced the Armor Wars, it shouldn't be surprising that Tony Stark has a bunch of suits or that "the suit(s) don't make the man".  I'd think that an Iron Man fan would know that Iron Man 3 focuses on the Extremis storyline and I bet that had they gone with "original Mandarin" you'd probably be complaining moreso about how poorly they did it.  It was also cool that they threw A.I.M. in there after putting H.A.M.M.E.R in the previous movie.

 

Regarding the "villain", having power is ultimately about having control; money is just a byproduct.

He instilled fear as a terrorist, so that people would pay him money to control the chaos (and thus give up a bit of their freedom).  He was developing Extremis so that he could use it to control an army of super powered soldiers as well as politicians.  He (tried) to use Pepper to control Tony Stark ... and he wanted to control Tony Stark so he could work out all the problems with Extremis.

 

It's not like the villain was just going to give Extremis to the world after it was perfected.  It was a tool to rule.  And finally, it was nice to have a villain that wasn't just a psuedo-Iron Man suit but with a different guy in it.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:06 PM

I wouldn't say that Microsoft is expecting a lot of problems with the initial XB1 units, but they are definitely hedging some bets. They didn't put the 'Day One' logo on the console - they put it on the controller.

 

Yeah, Iron Man 3 was a turd. Very disappointing. Having a million suits that last for 10 seconds each was really desensitizing. "Oh, here's another suit that will get instantly destroyed. Oh, here's another suit that will get instantly destroyed." Don't bother repeating the plot - I get it. It was just poorly done.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:25 AM

Thanks for the shout out, Shipwreck. Glad to have met you and your wife at the pinball party. I also thought it was funny that you are the first person that even IDed my Fitbit in the 1.5 years I've been wearing it. You mentioned that you doubted that the pinball house was always like that...and you are kind of correct. Usually there is actually MORE pinball machines in there. It's like heaven :) great show again guys and hope to see you again at one of the parties.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:36 PM

The thing about GAF is that it's a great source for video game news and the vetting of said news (detective GAF). Also, there are so many sites which use GAF as their source whether they credit it or not. In fact, when you don't at least look at GAF then you end-up with something like the recent Destructoid article about the 'Leaked Xbox One' which had already been fully debunked on GAF as a beta/dev unit well before Destructoid ran said article. (and Destructoid was far from the only site which was fooled on that video)


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:06 AM

Cheapy, about those hundreds of engineers in China. I know this is a popular idea, Tim Cook even put this forth as an explanation as to why Apple builds in China.

 

I've been to the same factories as some of these large companies to make stuff for the company work for. The people who are listed as engineers don't really have a lot of engineering design skills. What they do have is the ability to figure out how to make something, and make it efficiently. This traditionally has not usually been an engineering job in the US, just a skilled tradesman. It's also the kind of person the US is lacking now since so much manufacturing has been lost. Companies could go to Detroit to find this kind of person in droves, but they don't want to pay US wages for them if they don't have to.

 

The real reason they are building over there really is cost. You can set up a production line cheap and then replicate it as many times as necessary to make as many units as you want, limited only by the supply of parts you can line up. I'm sure you've seen the pictures, there are 40 people lined up shoulder to shoulder on one of these lines. 40 people per line to make maybe 2500 units per shift. In the US it simply would add a lot of cost to set up and run production lines so they build in China. And when demand slackens after Christmas, they don't have to incur costs of layoffs or even idling the plant. The workers are employed on a day-by-day basis and you don't pay to rent a production line if you stop using it.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:14 AM

The other reason they do stuff in China is because all the factories are there for every little type of part you might need.  IT's like a big manufacturing outlet mall.  One stop shop.  

 

Also the way the labor can be bent to their needs.  Much easier there than here.  The workers all live at these big plants from criminy sakes. 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:07 AM

I don't have GTA V, and I did a quick search of it, so I will assume this is not a feature. On ACTUAL GPS systems they often have turn-by-turn voice navigation so that you aren't constantly looking over at the GPS map when you should be watching the road. It seems like something that could have been included in GTA V as an option on the GPS that wouldn't have broken the immersion like arrows on the side of the screen or a line down the center of the road.

GTA IV had it in non-junk cars. Kind of surprising it'd be featured in a game, then not featured in the next iteration five years later.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:16 PM

I love that "PC, PC, PC" has become part of the CAG lexicon.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:12 AM

It's not a money issue. I didn't enjoy Grand Theft Auto IV. I didn't enjoy L.A. Noire. I didn't enjoy Red Dead Redemption. I didn't enjoy Max Payne 3. How many times do I have to play a game that I don't enjoy?


You also love Apple, prefer cats to dogs and hate Batman. Am I missing anything?

So you basically just have horrible taste in almost everything.
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#41 ravens52bears54

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:21 PM

Another great CAGcast. I'm really looking forward to the next gen console releases coming up in a few weeks. I'm as excited to see what your thoughts and unexpected opinions may be with their launches, as I am with the actual systems themselves. I'm a bit disappointing to hear that you don't think I will be making phat cash by selling my PS4 system at launch. The PS3 launch was pretty good to me in that aspect.

So who was the "expert" that predicted that? I haven't listened to the episode yet. I hope it wasn't Shipwreck. His predictions are normally pretty bad. Remember when he GUARANTEED that the WiiU would be THE Xmas present of last year and would sell gangbusters?
If it was him I'd take it with a grain of salt.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:10 PM

I feel the same way #gta5buyersremorse

 

 

I'm surprised by all the Iron Man 3 hate.  That movie was much better than the stupidness of Iron Man 2.  Cheapy and Wombat's complaints all seemed to come from them not "knowing or understanding" Iron Man (which seems contradictory based on talk about Iron Man in earlier podcasts).

 

Tony Stark is supposed to be one of those "I know I'm smarter than you, and thus you're slowing me down" jerk types.  Tony Stark knows that it's about having the proper tool (e.g., an Iron Man "Hulkbuster" suit) to fit the job (e.g., fighting the Hulk).

 

Based on how the second movie referenced the Armor Wars, it shouldn't be surprising that Tony Stark has a bunch of suits or that "the suit(s) don't make the man".  I'd think that an Iron Man fan would know that Iron Man 3 focuses on the Extremis storyline and I bet that had they gone with "original Mandarin" you'd probably be complaining moreso about how poorly they did it.  It was also cool that they threw A.I.M. in there after putting H.A.M.M.E.R in the previous movie.

 

Regarding the "villain", having power is ultimately about having control; money is just a byproduct.

He instilled fear as a terrorist, so that people would pay him money to control the chaos (and thus give up a bit of their freedom).  He was developing Extremis so that he could use it to control an army of super powered soldiers as well as politicians.  He (tried) to use Pepper to control Tony Stark ... and he wanted to control Tony Stark so he could work out all the problems with Extremis.

 

It's not like the villain was just going to give Extremis to the world after it was perfected.  It was a tool to rule.  And finally, it was nice to have a villain that wasn't just a psuedo-Iron Man suit but with a different guy in it.

 

Completely agree.


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