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#1 Algertman

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:24 PM

It's fairly obvious that forum is ran with the intention of promoting Sony products in the most positive light.  They even go so far as to ban people who show too much interest in MS products.  Defend a MS policy?  Banning.  Defend a Sony policy? You will probably see multiple threads of people defending it.  Resolutiongate?  All over that place but very little mention of how something like CoD: Ghost has severe frame rate issues on the PS4.  Marketing?  Good lord the amount of pro Sony twitter hashtag junk over there.  God forbid anyone bring up Vita's poor sales.  Better get ready to for good old "I love my Vita, It's a awesome piece of tech, It's niche" post the flood the place.  No one said you can't enjoy your product and I'm happy you do, proprietary memory cards make it an awful piece of tech in 2013, and "niche" is losing Sony money on it. 

 

And I'm getting a PS4 at launch and not a XBone but marketing garbage like that rubs me the wrong way.  



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:55 PM

 We ended up with one console technically superior and at a 20% lower price than the other...

 

You want to talk about "marketing garbage" read the absolute bullshit that Albert Penello has posted on GAF. Or the shills defending DRM and every other bullshit policy MS had before it was "reversed".  You go ahead and give me a list about all the bs from Sony and I'll make a list twice as long for MS. It just is what it is.

 

Who knows maybe Sony will manage to Fuck it up we'll see.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:16 PM

I was banned over there because my xbox was banned. Kinda rude



#4 Algertman

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:17 PM

 We ended up with one console technically superior and at a 20% lower price than the other...

 

You want to talk about "marketing garbage" read the absolute bullshit that Albert Penello has posted on GAF. Or the shills defending DRM and every other bullshit policy MS had before it was "reversed".  You go ahead and give me a list about all the bs from Sony and I'll make a list twice as long for MS. It just is what it is.

 

Who knows maybe Sony will manage to Fuck it up we'll see.

So you are not denying NeoGAF has a huge bias toward Sony?    

 

What about Sony fanboys defending paid online?  Once Sony announced online play locked behind a paywall the whole forum practically fell over itself justifying it when hey had been against it for years before hand.  

 

Or the Gif threads that are nothing more than trying to start a pro Sony internet memes?  

 

I don't like Adam Sessler but the way NeoGAF acted over his video about resolutiongate was insane.  Just a huge embarrassment for that whole place.

 

But oh no, someone likes Xbone time to ban them.  



#5 ShockandAww

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:29 PM

So you are not denying NeoGAF has a huge bias toward Sony?    

Neogaf is a forum made up of a bunch of individual people voicing their thoughts and opinions ffs. You apparently didn't read Neogaf during the last gen console launches. Like I said it just is what it is.

 

Maybe Vita remote play will actually be laggy as shit, or the thumbsticks on the PS4 controller will actually fall apart after 2 weeks of use, or maybe the PS4 will overheat and we'll get the rrod fiasco 2.0. Who knows. For now though if most people look at things the way they are without any bias things look to be in Sonys favor.

 

I'm getting both consoles and will enjoy them both I'm sure in different ways. Think about the positives of the Xbox One instead of the negatives compared to the PS4. The QR codes thing is awesome and quick (I hope Sony does the same thing), Kinect could be pretty great I guess if they actually release some damn games for it, they get Dead Rising 3 as an exclusive (and Ryse but it's apparently terrible), and I'm sure they'll have other advantages. They sure had a less shitty online store last gen and faster downloads. Maybe that'll continue.

 

edit: here's an 800+ reply thread at Neogaf about the possibility that the rubber on the DS4 sticks are cheap and will fall apart. It's not all roses for Sony if this is true and I'd expect that thread will be massive in the next month if so.



#6 dmaul1114

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:07 PM

MS just screwed up with the hardcore gamer market this go around is all. The drm debacle initially, $100 more for a less powerful console that's running launch games at lower resolutions, forcing in a camera that the bulk of hardcore gamers on sites like GAF have little to no interest in, big focus on the tv stuff (especially when that was the focus of like 90% of the reveal TV special) which hardcore gamers care little about etc. As well as largely abandoning the X1 in favor of Kinect crap the latter half of this current gen. There were hardly any worthwhile exclusives the last two or three years.

So of course a hardcore site like GAF is hating on the X1. They've done a lot to piss off hardcore gamers and little to woo them. And Sony has done a great PR job of countering in every miss step MS has made with that market.

If you were around last gen, GAF was all over Sony in 2006 with the $600 launch price from including bluray which most didn't want at the time, terrible PR missteps like saying people should work a second job to afford one etc. hardcore gamers are fickle and have little brand loyalty. They'll support which ever companies they feel are catering to their needs and bash those that aren't.

If anything GAF leans mostly to PC gamers as that seems to be where most hardcore gamers are gravitating for Steam sales, more variety, and online gaming that's not plagued by kids, casuals and CoD dudebros.


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#7 UncleBob

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:16 PM

I don't visit NeoGAF enough to have much of an opinion, but that thread seems to really bolster the OP's statement more than anything.

In that thread, I learned:

1.) There was already a thread like this that got closed down.
2.) People *must* be using sandpaper on their controllers.
3.) He let his dog chew on his controller.
4.) The 360 had a massive RROD issue.
5.) If it is an issue, Sony will cover it. Probably. Unless you abused your controller. Which you obviously have.
6.) NeoGAF is the "most watched and influential gaming forum on the planet."
7.) Everyone should just buy 3rd party replacement grips anyway.
8.) RROD!!!!
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Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:19 PM

It is hard to have a meaningful conversation with someone that lacks any perspective.

 

You're angry, we get it. Moving on.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 04:20 PM

What about Sony fanboys defending paid online?  Once Sony announced online play locked behind a paywall the whole forum practically fell over itself justifying it when hey had been against it for years before hand.  

 

Nobody likes the fact that this happened, but it's justifiable.  Sony charging for PS Plus will allow them to bring their service up to the quality of XBL.  Not only is it cheaper than XBL, but it's a way better deal with the free games you get every month as well.



#10 dmaul1114

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 04:33 PM

There were plenty of people on GAF pissed that online will require PS+, and many still saying they're just going to stick with PC gaming for the free online as a result.

 

Sure, there are fanboys defending it.  There were fanboys there defending the DRM on X1 over there as well before the reversal.  Every site has its fanboys.

 

The overall current strong lean toward Sony over there isn't because most there are fanboys, but a result of MS getting all the bad PR in that market for all the moves they've made that aren't friendly to the hardcore gamer market.  If Sony messes something up with that segment, GAF will be all over them like they were around the PS3 launch.


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#11 whoknows

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 04:40 PM

I got banned there for the reason of I'm too good for their forums and they don't want to embarrass me.

 

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#12 Jodou

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:45 PM

In case you hadn't noticed, there is a general bias against Xbone across the internet.  Could have something to do with the fact that the marketing of it has been awful and mounting cons for the system.  I mean, honestly every week it's something new with Xbone that makes it worse by comparison.

 

I should draw up a timeline of all the (proven) issues that have surfaced.



#13 Chizu

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:51 PM

There are actually a good amount of people who are in favor of the Xbox One on there



#14 Algertman

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:57 PM

There are actually a good amount of people who are in favor of the Xbox One on there

They also know their place and to shut their mouth or else face swift judgement by the mods.  



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:58 PM

In case you hadn't noticed, there is a general bias against Xbone across the internet.  Could have something to do with the fact that the marketing of it has been awful and mounting cons for the system.  I mean, honestly every week it's something new with Xbone that makes it worse by comparison.

 

I should draw up a timeline of all the (proven) issues that have surfaced.

 

Funny that Sony has a very similar DRM policy in place for the PS4 that will be patched out like XBone but I don't see that ever brought up as much. 



#16 Dead of Knight

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:36 PM

Reality has a Sony bias.


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#17 phantomfriar2002

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:57 PM

GAF is like a forum designed for the Borg. Have never seen so many "we" and "us" comments on a message board. That said it makes for amusing reading when the average poster there gets all hot and bothered...which is often lol.

#18 Chizu

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:04 PM

I have to say though, if I was getting a next gen console at launch, I would probably go with the Xbox One



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:12 PM

I just don't get the Sony is giving people "free games" schtick. 




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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:16 PM

Bias implies unfair favor towards or prejudice against a thing.

 

Have you considered that Microsoft just really screwed up with the Xbox One launch? I mean, is it not ok to argue that a console which is notably more powerful (the resolution deal is just an extremely early and clear manifestation of this) and also somehow $100 cheaper is obviously the right choice?

 

I'm not sure that the PS4 isn't just an objectively better product right now. I think we all have this expectation because of how video game "journalism" works that the two should be considered equal. Why should they be? You don't usually see this phenomenon with other products. I mean, some TVs are better than others. Panasonic makes (or made) the best plasma TVs. Do you see AVS forum or CNET trying to defend Samsung's plasmas because they don't want to be "biased"?



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:13 PM

While MS did screw up the launch of the X1, it should be noted that Sony has said they intended to release the camera with the console (and given the supposed face recognition and the DualShock4 light) that is something that is pretty obvious. The system then would have been $500, but they saw MS getting bad press for some things they already stated they would do as well as additional things people did not like and scraped the idea. 

 

To me the X1 looks better because I like the all in one idea. I can see, however, why the PS4 would look better to most people. 




#22 UncleBob

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:37 PM

Bias implies unfair favor towards or prejudice against a thing.


I think that's only part of the OP's claim though.

Again, I have virtually no opinion of NeoGAF, but if they're actually banning people/locking threads in support of MS/against Sony, then that's a completely different issue than the "hive" mentality for/against something.

Of course, part of the issue is that, often, if you post something against the the "hive" mentality, you get labeled a troll just because you dare to have an opinion different than the mainstream.
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Posted 11 November 2013 - 12:27 AM

I was banned on NeoGAF for everything I post in the Vs. forum here, haha.

That being said, I'm getting a PS4 too. I think it's the objectively superior console for playing video games, so maybe they'd let me back into the hivemind just for that, haha.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:31 AM

I was banned on NeoGAF for everything I post in the Vs. forum here, haha.

That being said, I'm getting a PS4 too. I think it's the objectively superior console for playing video games, so maybe they'd let me back into the hivemind just for that, haha.

You'd need to buy a Vita. 



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:38 AM

 

 

Have you considered that Microsoft just really screwed up with the Xbox One launch? I mean, is it not ok to argue that a console which is notably more powerful (the resolution deal is just an extremely early and clear manifestation of this) and also somehow $100 cheaper is obviously the right choice?

 

It's not "somehow $100 cheaper" -- the Xbox One comes with Kinect, there's no camera with the PS4 like basilofbkrst said. 

 

As for "screwing up the launch" -- is it possible to actually see what transpires when the launch actually HAPPENS and the sales numbers come in? Can we see the actual results first and not just judge it based on the volume of internet outrage? The reality is the "console war" hasn't even started yet, and despite all the DRM stuff, the average consumer isn't going to care, much less remember, that it ever happened in the first place. 



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 03:40 AM

Is it really that shocking that the majority of people in a forum of well-informed gamers don't like the gaming console that is both $100 more expensive and considerably less powerful?  Also it was basically designed from the ground up not with providing the best possible gaming experience in mind, but to provide content owners with the most optimum conditions possible with which to exploit their consumer base.  Sony put gamers first and MS put IP owners first and you can see it through every aspect of the design of each of these consoles.  MS tried to impose some of the most draconian DRM the world would have ever seen on entertainment software which does not benefit gamers one bit.  The tone-deafness they displayed when initially trying to push back against the resistance from their consumer base regarding said DRM policy was laughable.  They even had the audacity to charge a $100 premium over the more powerful PS4 even when these ridiculous DRM policies were in place.  During E3 all of the Microsoft Xbox execs who dared to be interviewed were shooting themselves in the feet left right and center, burdened with the task of defending the myriad of untenable positions they were paid to defend.

 

Of course they finally realized the err of their ways and did the infamous 180s later down the line, but the price remained the same.  The intentions of the execs behind the XBOne remain the same.  They don't really care about gaming, this thing is merely Microsoft's trojan horse to get into your living room to exploit the user base for other reasons where MS really sees the true long term profits.

 

Most people who post at NeoGAF follow the industry closely enough to be intimately familiar with all of the events that have led up to the imminent launch of the XBone which makes a large portion of them look upon the console and its manufacturer with disdain.  Especially after further confirmation came out regarding its relatively poor graphical performance in comparison to its cheaper competitor.  Rather than owning up to it, Albert Penello has been spinning things so much it's made Fox News jealous.  It's further proof of how little MS thinks of its user base, that said base will just eat up whatever they say no matter how removed it is from reality.

 

Considering all of this, can't you understand why a considerable percentage of NeoGAF members would prefer the company which is currently making products with gaming being their primary focus instead of selling some kind of trojan horse at a premium for unknown ulterior motives like the nebulous "getting in your living room"?  And can't you understand why people in such a forum where people are quite familiar with this information would question why anyone else with even a remotely similar level of familiarity would be a fervent supporter of MS to the point of claiming persecution on an almost religious level?

 

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#27 Jodou

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:17 AM

Of course they finally realized the err of their ways and did the infamous 180s later down the line, but the price remained the same.  The intentions of the execs behind the XBOne remain the same.  They don't really care about gaming, this thing is merely Microsoft's trojan horse to get into your living room to exploit the user base for other reasons where MS really sees the true long term profits.

In their defense, I think they realized that if they were going to make the Kinect work, it would need to be mandatory with every box.  It's much easier to tell a dev to be creative with the Kinect knowing that the install base is 100% rather than w/e last gen was, and I'm guessing numbers weren't pretty.  Good things could come from Kinect if devs embrace it, but quite honestly I don't think it was worth alienating any customer that simple doesn't want it period (see Nintendo).



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:51 AM

In their defense, I think they realized that if they were going to make the Kinect work, it would need to be mandatory with every box.  It's much easier to tell a dev to be creative with the Kinect knowing that the install base is 100% rather than w/e last gen was, and I'm guessing numbers weren't pretty.  Good things could come from Kinect if devs embrace it, but quite honestly I don't think it was worth alienating any customer that simple doesn't want it period (see Nintendo).

Did you know that Ryse was originally a 360 game controlled entirely by Kinect?  For some reason now that it's a launch title for the XBOne, it's now a controller-based game, even though, as you pointed out, the Kinect install base on the XBOne is 100%.

 

If Microsoft is changing their own big budget Kinect games to controller-based ones, what does that say about Kinect as a gaming input device, and what does it say about its own creator's faith in it?

 

Now, just to get back on topic, before anyone comes away with an impression of NeoGAF having some monolithic member base that is 100% in the tank for Sony, I would implore them to look at posts from '05 and '06 in the lead up to the PS3 launch as well as the aftermath of its launch.  Sony got ridiculed quite a bit there during that time and rightfully so.  When you look at the general vibe in GAF from then until now you'd have to come away with the impression that it has quite an objective membership in terms of gaming discussion, at least relative to any other gaming message board on the internet.  Sure there are a few irrational outspoken zealots, but they are the exception and not the norm.



#29 Jodou

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:00 AM

Did you know that Ryse was originally a 360 game controlled entirely by Kinect?  For some reason now that it's a launch title for the XBOne, it's now a controller-based game, even though, as you pointed out, the Kinect install base on the XBOne is 100%.

 

If Microsoft is changing their own big budget Kinect games to controller-based ones, what does that say about Kinect as a gaming input device, and what does it say about its own creator's faith in it?

Well for one thing Ryse is a Crytek game, so I doubt M$ had much say in the development.  Also, when Ryse was first debuted by Crytek, I think it was mostly assumed it would be a PC title IIRC.  At the time Crytek had only made PC games (FarCry and Crysis) and from what I remember it disappeared for a while and resurfaced as a 360 game.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:05 AM

Well for one thing Ryse is a Crytek game, so I doubt M$ had much say in the development.  Also, when Ryse was first debuted by Crytek, I think it was mostly assumed it would be a PC title IIRC.  At the time Crytek had only made PC games (FarCry and Crysis) and from what I remember it disappeared for a while and resurfaced as a 360 game.

Developed by Crytek, but produced, bankrolled and published by Microsoft.  They had a huge say in its development.

 

It was first announced as Codename: Kingdoms in a Microsoft E3 presser in 2010.  Then in 2011 it was reintroduced again at a Microsoft E3 presser with the name Ryse as a Kinect-only game.  It didn't resurface again until the 2013 Microsoft E3 presser.  It was always a Microsoft Studios published game since its very first announcement in '10.