Can We Just Admit NeoGAF Is Just Sony Marketing?

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It's fairly obvious that forum is ran with the intention of promoting Sony products in the most positive light.  They even go so far as to ban people who show too much interest in MS products.  Defend a MS policy?  Banning.  Defend a Sony policy? You will probably see multiple threads of people defending it.  Resolutiongate?  All over that place but very little mention of how something like CoD: Ghost has severe frame rate issues on the PS4.  Marketing?  Good lord the amount of pro Sony twitter hashtag junk over there.  God forbid anyone bring up Vita's poor sales.  Better get ready to for good old "I love my Vita, It's a awesome piece of tech, It's niche" post the flood the place.  No one said you can't enjoy your product and I'm happy you do, proprietary memory cards make it an awful piece of tech in 2013, and "niche" is losing Sony money on it. 

And I'm getting a PS4 at launch and not a XBone but marketing garbage like that rubs me the wrong way.  

 
 We ended up with one console technically superior and at a 20% lower price than the other...

You want to talk about "marketing garbage" read the absolute bullshit that Albert Penello has posted on GAF. Or the shills defending DRM and every other bullshit policy MS had before it was "reversed".  You go ahead and give me a list about all the bs from Sony and I'll make a list twice as long for MS. It just is what it is.

Who knows maybe Sony will manage to fuck it up we'll see.

 
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We ended up with one console technically superior and at a 20% lower price than the other...

You want to talk about "marketing garbage" read the absolute bullshit that Albert Penello has posted on GAF. Or the shills defending DRM and every other bullshit policy MS had before it was "reversed". You go ahead and give me a list about all the bs from Sony and I'll make a list twice as long for MS. It just is what it is.

Who knows maybe Sony will manage to fuck it up we'll see.
So you are not denying NeoGAF has a huge bias toward Sony?

What about Sony fanboys defending paid online? Once Sony announced online play locked behind a paywall the whole forum practically fell over itself justifying it when hey had been against it for years before hand.

Or the Gif threads that are nothing more than trying to start a pro Sony internet memes?

I don't like Adam Sessler but the way NeoGAF acted over his video about resolutiongate was insane. Just a huge embarrassment for that whole place.

But oh no, someone likes Xbone time to ban them.

 
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So you are not denying NeoGAF has a huge bias toward Sony?
Neogaf is a forum made up of a bunch of individual people voicing their thoughts and opinions ffs. You apparently didn't read Neogaf during the last gen console launches. Like I said it just is what it is.

Maybe Vita remote play will actually be laggy as shit, or the thumbsticks on the PS4 controller will actually fall apart after 2 weeks of use, or maybe the PS4 will overheat and we'll get the rrod fiasco 2.0. Who knows. For now though if most people look at things the way they are without any bias things look to be in Sonys favor.

I'm getting both consoles and will enjoy them both I'm sure in different ways. Think about the positives of the Xbox One instead of the negatives compared to the PS4. The QR codes thing is awesome and quick (I hope Sony does the same thing), Kinect could be pretty great I guess if they actually release some damn games for it, they get Dead Rising 3 as an exclusive (and Ryse but it's apparently terrible), and I'm sure they'll have other advantages. They sure had a less shitty online store last gen and faster downloads. Maybe that'll continue.

edit: here's an 800+ reply thread at Neogaf about the possibility that the rubber on the DS4 sticks are cheap and will fall apart. It's not all roses for Sony if this is true and I'd expect that thread will be massive in the next month if so.

 
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MS just screwed up with the hardcore gamer market this go around is all. The drm debacle initially, $100 more for a less powerful console that's running launch games at lower resolutions, forcing in a camera that the bulk of hardcore gamers on sites like GAF have little to no interest in, big focus on the tv stuff (especially when that was the focus of like 90% of the reveal TV special) which hardcore gamers care little about etc. As well as largely abandoning the X1 in favor of Kinect crap the latter half of this current gen. There were hardly any worthwhile exclusives the last two or three years.

So of course a hardcore site like GAF is hating on the X1. They've done a lot to piss off hardcore gamers and little to woo them. And Sony has done a great PR job of countering in every miss step MS has made with that market.

If you were around last gen, GAF was all over Sony in 2006 with the $600 launch price from including bluray which most didn't want at the time, terrible PR missteps like saying people should work a second job to afford one etc. hardcore gamers are fickle and have little brand loyalty. They'll support which ever companies they feel are catering to their needs and bash those that aren't.

If anything GAF leans mostly to PC gamers as that seems to be where most hardcore gamers are gravitating for Steam sales, more variety, and online gaming that's not plagued by kids, casuals and CoD dudebros.

 
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I don't visit NeoGAF enough to have much of an opinion, but that thread seems to really bolster the OP's statement more than anything.

In that thread, I learned:

1.) There was already a thread like this that got closed down.
2.) People *must* be using sandpaper on their controllers.
3.) He let his dog chew on his controller.
4.) The 360 had a massive RROD issue.
5.) If it is an issue, Sony will cover it. Probably. Unless you abused your controller. Which you obviously have.
6.) NeoGAF is the "most watched and influential gaming forum on the planet."
7.) Everyone should just buy 3rd party replacement grips anyway.
8.) RROD!!!!
 
It is hard to have a meaningful conversation with someone that lacks any perspective.

You're angry, we get it. Moving on.

 
What about Sony fanboys defending paid online? Once Sony announced online play locked behind a paywall the whole forum practically fell over itself justifying it when hey had been against it for years before hand.
Nobody likes the fact that this happened, but it's justifiable. Sony charging for PS Plus will allow them to bring their service up to the quality of XBL. Not only is it cheaper than XBL, but it's a way better deal with the free games you get every month as well.

 
There were plenty of people on GAF pissed that online will require PS+, and many still saying they're just going to stick with PC gaming for the free online as a result.

Sure, there are fanboys defending it.  There were fanboys there defending the DRM on X1 over there as well before the reversal.  Every site has its fanboys.

The overall current strong lean toward Sony over there isn't because most there are fanboys, but a result of MS getting all the bad PR in that market for all the moves they've made that aren't friendly to the hardcore gamer market.  If Sony messes something up with that segment, GAF will be all over them like they were around the PS3 launch.

 
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In case you hadn't noticed, there is a general bias against Xbone across the internet.  Could have something to do with the fact that the marketing of it has been awful and mounting cons for the system.  I mean, honestly every week it's something new with Xbone that makes it worse by comparison.

I should draw up a timeline of all the (proven) issues that have surfaced.

 
In case you hadn't noticed, there is a general bias against Xbone across the internet. Could have something to do with the fact that the marketing of it has been awful and mounting cons for the system. I mean, honestly every week it's something new with Xbone that makes it worse by comparison.

I should draw up a timeline of all the (proven) issues that have surfaced.
Funny that Sony has a very similar DRM policy in place for the PS4 that will be patched out like XBone but I don't see that ever brought up as much.

 
GAF is like a forum designed for the Borg. Have never seen so many "we" and "us" comments on a message board. That said it makes for amusing reading when the average poster there gets all hot and bothered...which is often lol.
 
Bias implies unfair favor towards or prejudice against a thing.

Have you considered that Microsoft just really screwed up with the Xbox One launch? I mean, is it not ok to argue that a console which is notably more powerful (the resolution deal is just an extremely early and clear manifestation of this) and also somehow $100 cheaper is obviously the right choice?

I'm not sure that the PS4 isn't just an objectively better product right now. I think we all have this expectation because of how video game "journalism" works that the two should be considered equal. Why should they be? You don't usually see this phenomenon with other products. I mean, some TVs are better than others. Panasonic makes (or made) the best plasma TVs. Do you see AVS forum or CNET trying to defend Samsung's plasmas because they don't want to be "biased"?

 
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While MS did screw up the launch of the X1, it should be noted that Sony has said they intended to release the camera with the console (and given the supposed face recognition and the DualShock4 light) that is something that is pretty obvious. The system then would have been $500, but they saw MS getting bad press for some things they already stated they would do as well as additional things people did not like and scraped the idea. 

To me the X1 looks better because I like the all in one idea. I can see, however, why the PS4 would look better to most people. 

 
Bias implies unfair favor towards or prejudice against a thing.
I think that's only part of the OP's claim though.

Again, I have virtually no opinion of NeoGAF, but if they're actually banning people/locking threads in support of MS/against Sony, then that's a completely different issue than the "hive" mentality for/against something.

Of course, part of the issue is that, often, if you post something against the the "hive" mentality, you get labeled a troll just because you dare to have an opinion different than the mainstream.
 
I was banned on NeoGAF for everything I post in the Vs. forum here, haha.

That being said, I'm getting a PS4 too. I think it's the objectively superior console for playing video games, so maybe they'd let me back into the hivemind just for that, haha.
 
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I was banned on NeoGAF for everything I post in the Vs. forum here, haha.

That being said, I'm getting a PS4 too. I think it's the objectively superior console for playing video games, so maybe they'd let me back into the hivemind just for that, haha.
You'd need to buy a Vita.

 
Have you considered that Microsoft just really screwed up with the Xbox One launch? I mean, is it not ok to argue that a console which is notably more powerful (the resolution deal is just an extremely early and clear manifestation of this) and also somehow $100 cheaper is obviously the right choice?
It's not "somehow $100 cheaper" -- the Xbox One comes with Kinect, there's no camera with the PS4 like basilofbkrst said.

As for "screwing up the launch" -- is it possible to actually see what transpires when the launch actually HAPPENS and the sales numbers come in? Can we see the actual results first and not just judge it based on the volume of internet outrage? The reality is the "console war" hasn't even started yet, and despite all the DRM stuff, the average consumer isn't going to care, much less remember, that it ever happened in the first place.

 
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Is it really that shocking that the majority of people in a forum of well-informed gamers don't like the gaming console that is both $100 more expensive and considerably less powerful?  Also it was basically designed from the ground up not with providing the best possible gaming experience in mind, but to provide content owners with the most optimum conditions possible with which to exploit their consumer base.  Sony put gamers first and MS put IP owners first and you can see it through every aspect of the design of each of these consoles.  MS tried to impose some of the most draconian DRM the world would have ever seen on entertainment software which does not benefit gamers one bit.  The tone-deafness they displayed when initially trying to push back against the resistance from their consumer base regarding said DRM policy was laughable.  They even had the audacity to charge a $100 premium over the more powerful PS4 even when these ridiculous DRM policies were in place.  During E3 all of the Microsoft Xbox execs who dared to be interviewed were shooting themselves in the feet left right and center, burdened with the task of defending the myriad of untenable positions they were paid to defend.

Of course they finally realized the err of their ways and did the infamous 180s later down the line, but the price remained the same.  The intentions of the execs behind the XBOne remain the same.  They don't really care about gaming, this thing is merely Microsoft's trojan horse to get into your living room to exploit the user base for other reasons where MS really sees the true long term profits.

Most people who post at NeoGAF follow the industry closely enough to be intimately familiar with all of the events that have led up to the imminent launch of the XBone which makes a large portion of them look upon the console and its manufacturer with disdain.  Especially after further confirmation came out regarding its relatively poor graphical performance in comparison to its cheaper competitor.  Rather than owning up to it, Albert Penello has been spinning things so much it's made Fox News jealous.  It's further proof of how little MS thinks of its user base, that said base will just eat up whatever they say no matter how removed it is from reality.

Considering all of this, can't you understand why a considerable percentage of NeoGAF members would prefer the company which is currently making products with gaming being their primary focus instead of selling some kind of trojan horse at a premium for unknown ulterior motives like the nebulous "getting in your living room"?  And can't you understand why people in such a forum where people are quite familiar with this information would question why anyone else with even a remotely similar level of familiarity would be a fervent supporter of MS to the point of claiming persecution on an almost religious level?

/rant

 
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Of course they finally realized the err of their ways and did the infamous 180s later down the line, but the price remained the same. The intentions of the execs behind the XBOne remain the same. They don't really care about gaming, this thing is merely Microsoft's trojan horse to get into your living room to exploit the user base for other reasons where MS really sees the true long term profits.
In their defense, I think they realized that if they were going to make the Kinect work, it would need to be mandatory with every box. It's much easier to tell a dev to be creative with the Kinect knowing that the install base is 100% rather than w/e last gen was, and I'm guessing numbers weren't pretty. Good things could come from Kinect if devs embrace it, but quite honestly I don't think it was worth alienating any customer that simple doesn't want it period (see Nintendo).

 
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In their defense, I think they realized that if they were going to make the Kinect work, it would need to be mandatory with every box. It's much easier to tell a dev to be creative with the Kinect knowing that the install base is 100% rather than w/e last gen was, and I'm guessing numbers weren't pretty. Good things could come from Kinect if devs embrace it, but quite honestly I don't think it was worth alienating any customer that simple doesn't want it period (see Nintendo).
Did you know that Ryse was originally a 360 game controlled entirely by Kinect? For some reason now that it's a launch title for the XBOne, it's now a controller-based game, even though, as you pointed out, the Kinect install base on the XBOne is 100%.

If Microsoft is changing their own big budget Kinect games to controller-based ones, what does that say about Kinect as a gaming input device, and what does it say about its own creator's faith in it?

Now, just to get back on topic, before anyone comes away with an impression of NeoGAF having some monolithic member base that is 100% in the tank for Sony, I would implore them to look at posts from '05 and '06 in the lead up to the PS3 launch as well as the aftermath of its launch. Sony got ridiculed quite a bit there during that time and rightfully so. When you look at the general vibe in GAF from then until now you'd have to come away with the impression that it has quite an objective membership in terms of gaming discussion, at least relative to any other gaming message board on the internet. Sure there are a few irrational outspoken zealots, but they are the exception and not the norm.

 
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Did you know that Ryse was originally a 360 game controlled entirely by Kinect? For some reason now that it's a launch title for the XBOne, it's now a controller-based game, even though, as you pointed out, the Kinect install base on the XBOne is 100%.

If Microsoft is changing their own big budget Kinect games to controller-based ones, what does that say about Kinect as a gaming input device, and what does it say about its own creator's faith in it?
Well for one thing Ryse is a Crytek game, so I doubt M$ had much say in the development. Also, when Ryse was first debuted by Crytek, I think it was mostly assumed it would be a PC title IIRC. At the time Crytek had only made PC games (FarCry and Crysis) and from what I remember it disappeared for a while and resurfaced as a 360 game.

 
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Well for one thing Ryse is a Crytek game, so I doubt M$ had much say in the development. Also, when Ryse was first debuted by Crytek, I think it was mostly assumed it would be a PC title IIRC. At the time Crytek had only made PC games (FarCry and Crysis) and from what I remember it disappeared for a while and resurfaced as a 360 game.
Developed by Crytek, but produced, bankrolled and published by Microsoft. They had a huge say in its development.

It was first announced as Codename: Kingdoms in a Microsoft E3 presser in 2010. Then in 2011 it was reintroduced again at a Microsoft E3 presser with the name Ryse as a Kinect-only game. It didn't resurface again until the 2013 Microsoft E3 presser. It was always a Microsoft Studios published game since its very first announcement in '10.

 
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Developed by Crytek, but produced, bankrolled and published by Microsoft. They had a huge say in its development.
Interesting. TBH that game has been so far off the radar for its years of development it's easy to see why I didn't know. It never looked that interesting to me to begin with, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when they first showed a trailer for it. Crytek has really fallen as a dev in my eyes, ever since they tried to go mainstream with Crysis 2 and it sucked hard.

 
Doesn't Ryse use Kinect for voice commands to units at certain points? 

If so, it uses kinect. Not every game has to be a motion game, but most if not all games can have at least one thing use voice commands that will help someone out there enjoy the game more. 

 
I've visited GAF a few times but I never bothered making an account. Internet forums in general are generally becoming the asshole(s) of the internet. The only reason I post on CAG is because I respect the community and that 98% of us are mature adults. I guess as I got older, the more and less patience I had for internet forums. And god forbid you ever talk about any subject negatively in a video game forum. I've learned just from past experience that posting in a thread that clearly has a bias towards one side is the equivalent of talking to a brick wall that will shoot cannonballs at you for going against an opinion (they refuse to listen to your opinion, then will bash you for it). Not to mention that trolling has become a sport for most people and their goal is your misery. 

Only thing I can say is that I've seen some real nasty threads in GAF yet it remains popular because of all of controversy they start. Think it of as Kotaku, it's full of crap, but it only bugs you if you care about it. 

 
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What about Sony fanboys defending paid online? Once Sony announced online play locked behind a paywall the whole forum practically fell over itself justifying it when hey had been against it for years before hand.

Sonys free online was heavily defend back then because at that point in time the argument was "Why pay MS for what sony gives us for free? You also get for free the same thing on the PC plus a lot more" but now that they are both paid that argument disappears entirely. Now the argument isn't sony fanboys defending sony being paid online, its people defending the superior choice. Because now MS wants 60 bucks a year to play games online and users get 2 free games a month, meanwhile sony charges 50 bucks a year and gives you 18 games for signing up, 5 games a month, discount on PSN purchases, free online game save back, full game trials and more so now its a argument of "why should you pay more and get a whole lot less". Not to mention sony didn't put Netflix/amazon vod/ hulu, chatting with friends and friends lists, playing free to play games and such behind a paywall like MS did.

Not being able to realize that smells heavily of someone who just wants to hate sony because they are a contrarian. The fact this thread is based on you blaming sony for one random forum for seemingly to you be nothing more than a giant secret marketing campaign does nothing but help that observation. Despite the fact there are plenty of pro Microsoft comments and threads on there, and Nintendo ones. And despite the fact that you ignore that it wasn't but just a few years ago the entire internet was on fire (including neogaf) with blind and immature hatred of sony for no real reason at all.

Honestly this whole mess stinks of "I got banned so Im going to other forums and make complainy pants immature comments and Ill make insanely wild accusations about them based purely on nothing because I am innocent, and righteous and I have never done anything at all to ever offend or break a single rule!" when in reality you were probably a jerk and got banned for breaking rules. This thread reminds me of the time when every day I couldn't go on a game forum without reading some ranting thread about a guy who would say something about how he got banned at gamefaqs because he cured cancer.

If you hate neogaf so much then simply do not go there, it really is that easy. If they offend you so much maybe you should simply ignore them instead of forcing so much negativity into your life.

 
In their defense, I think they realized that if they were going to make the Kinect work, it would need to be mandatory with every box. It's much easier to tell a dev to be creative with the Kinect knowing that the install base is 100% rather than w/e last gen was, and I'm guessing numbers weren't pretty. Good things could come from Kinect if devs embrace it, but quite honestly I don't think it was worth alienating any customer that simple doesn't want it period (see Nintendo).
I think it's more that they want everyone to have it and hope the media stuff catches in with using it to control the home theater, rather than hoping it gets more/better use in games. Especially given how much of that was the focus of the initial reveal.

I don't think the higher ups at MS, nor the shareholders, are happy with how much money the Xbox division has lost and are hoping to succeed in expanding it into an all in one set top box to broaden the market, generate more ad revenue etc.
 
Sonys free online was heavily defend back then because at that point in time the argument was "Why pay MS for what sony gives us for free? You also get for free the same thing on the PC plus a lot more" but now that they are both paid that argument disappears entirely. Now the argument isn't sony fanboys defending sony being paid online, its people defending the superior choice. Because now MS wants 60 bucks a year to play games online and users get 2 free games a month, meanwhile sony charges 50 bucks a year and gives you 18 games for signing up, 5 games a month, discount on PSN purchases, free online game save back, full game trials and more so now its a argument of "why should you pay more and get a whole lot less". Not to mention sony didn't put Netflix/amazon vod/ hulu, chatting with friends and friends lists, playing free to play games and such behind a paywall like MS did.

Not being able to realize that smells heavily of someone who just wants to hate sony because they are a contrarian. The fact this thread is based on you blaming sony for one random forum for seemingly to you be nothing more than a giant secret marketing campaign does nothing but help that observation. Despite the fact there are plenty of pro Microsoft comments and threads on there, and Nintendo ones. And despite the fact that you ignore that it wasn't but just a few years ago the entire internet was on fire (including neogaf) with blind and immature hatred of sony for no real reason at all.

Honestly this whole mess stinks of "I got banned so Im going to other forums and make complainy pants immature comments and Ill make insanely wild accusations about them based purely on nothing because I am innocent, and righteous and I have never done anything at all to ever offend or break a single rule!" when in reality you were probably a jerk and got banned for breaking rules. This thread reminds me of the time when every day I couldn't go on a game forum without reading some ranting thread about a guy who would say something about how he got banned at gamefaqs because he cured cancer.

If you hate neogaf so much then simply do not go there, it really is that easy. If they offend you so much maybe you should simply ignore them instead of forcing so much negativity into your life.

You must really eat that shit up over there. NeoGAF has begun to infect a lot of message board with their garbage. If Sony is the Republican party then NeoGAF is its Fox News.

Also everybody knows CBOAT is a gawker writer, probably from Kotaku, who is wrong most of the time. Just keep it pro sony and they will make sure members will push the articles for clicks Using the MS insider bit thing is a joke and nobody is fooled by it.

Like the other guy mention there sure is a lot of "we" and "us" stuff over there. Just don't bring that up or instant banning.

They've also restructures rules to be pro sony. Use to be a no port begging rule but that was thrown out of the window when TGS rolled around a few years back 3DS got two Monster Hunter games and Vita got none.

 
I made an account at NeoGAF. After it was created, there's some kind of weird review period, apparently. My account sat in review for a few weeks, then it was deleted. No reason was ever provided and I was never able to post anything. I've no idea how anybody actually gets an account and is able to use it over there; the handling seems completely arbitrary.

 
Also everybody knows CBOAT is a gawker writer, probably from Kotaku, who is wrong most of the time. Just keep it pro sony and they will make sure members will push the articles for clicks Using the MS insider bit thing is a joke and nobody is fooled by it.
I've never once read the assumption that he works for Gawker until now. It's clear you don't follow him, as he has a track record of being right most of the time going all the way back to before the 360 launch. If he was handing out false rumors, GAF would have banned him a long time ago. What don't people get about that? They don't take shit from anyone. He's an MS insider, that's why the couple of things he's been wrong about have been Sony related, like them launching in October instead of November.

 
I don't even know where to start...

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Man, your hardon against GAF is raging hard. Check to make sure you don't have Priapism.

I'm willing to bet you were banned from there for doing something stupid, then came here to complain about it.

 
Man, your hardon against GAF is raging hard. Check to make sure you don't have Priapism.

I'm willing to bet you were banned from there for doing something stupid, then came here to complain about it.
If GAF was really a Sony propaganda machine, the Vita hate and loathing that run rampant over there wouldn't exist. And yet it does...:lol:

Where's the thread about the 3DS love fest over on GAF? ;)

 
If GAF was really a Sony propaganda machine, the Vita hate and loathing that run rampant over there wouldn't exist. And yet it does... :lol:

Where's the thread about the 3DS love fest over on GAF? ;)
Oh totally. The Vita gets shit on mercessily for having "no games". Yet the 3DS with its meh selection gets praised like the second coming.

 
Man, your hardon against GAF is raging hard. Check to make sure you don't have Priapism.

I'm willing to bet you were banned from there for doing something stupid, then came here to complain about it.
I'd guess this or he can't get an account and got mad. Judging by the hatred though probably banned.

 
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I get annoyed at the endless stream of GIFs over at NEOGAF. Then every post quoting them saying that was so fucking funny I fell out my chair...Really guy, was it?
 
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