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CAGcast #345: Xbox One of Us Doesn’t Have A PS4

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#1 CheapyD

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:39 AM

The gang discuss their first week with the PS4 and launch titles, the Xbox One, and so much more!
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#2 Hazelgrim

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:02 AM

Cheers for brightening my sleepy morning.

 

The PC version of Need for Speed is well... 

 

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#3 CheapyD

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:53 AM

Holy shit...you guys think I complain a lot?  I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds.  He makes Annoyed Gamer seem like a friendly grandma.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:04 AM

I agree with Ship on the PS4 store, but not the trophy setup.  It's very quick for me.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:12 AM

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:29 AM

Holy shit...you guys think I complain a lot?  I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds.  He makes Annoyed Gamer seem like a friendly grandma.

You should watch the whole thing though. to see what happens when you unlock the frames lock on the pc port. It breaks the game in all places xD


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:56 AM

I don't get the love for NBA 2K14's graphics, just doesn't look like much of a jump to me.

 

Did they at least strip out the Jay Z stuff this time around?



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:04 PM

Thanks as usual for what is sure to be an epic podcast, the name says it all man! I don't care what people say about all of the complaining, its half the fun of the show!

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:20 PM

After a week of getting my gaming news from neogaf, a new cagcast is a great way to cleanse the pallet.  Fantastic job as always Wombat, Cheapy and Ship!



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:41 PM

Great impressions and kudos to Wombat for keeping the PS4 discussion focused on the things that matter.  I have a day one forza bundle getting shipped to me from gamestop and a PS4 waiting for me at best buy pick-up, so I look forward to hearing more impressions over the next several weeks. Super Mario 3D World is still getting played first though!


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:38 PM

The last of us who doesn't have a PS4!

 

Note: I listened to the whole show and can't remember a damn thing that was said.  So great show fellas!


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:01 PM

Wombat hit it on the head.  There is an incredibly large market of middle aged adults with kids that want something that can do more than games.  My friends and I fit that demographic to a tee.  We all have cable and watch live television.  the XBOX One is a perfect fit.  As a real world example, I wanted to watch Supernatural and continue playing a rather engrossing session of XCOM:  Enemy Within.  I ended up turning on a television in and adjacent room so I could play and watch.  With the XBOX One, I could have done picture in picture.  I hear people talk about remote play as a way to play and watch tv at the same time.  Not sure why people write off the mulitmedia functions of the XBOX One as fluff. 


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#13 Sgt Barone

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:42 PM

Gonna listen on my drive back home to Cleveland tomorrow to pick up my Xbox!


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:40 PM

Speaking about Polygon praising the Kinect and Xbox One interface, I wonder if they will lower their review score after all of the problems that happened during their livestream yesterday.

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 05:53 PM

Holy shit...you guys think I complain a lot?  I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds.  He makes Annoyed Gamer seem like a friendly grandma.

 

 

He's a spoiled, entitled twat. He can make a good point on occasion, but he takes PCPCPC to a whole other level. He likes to act critical of things to make himself feel above others, but to any non gamer he really sounds like a whiny biotch.

 

Pretty much every one of his reviews of launch games are going to be like this. Console games were rushed enough even on the consoles themselves. He knows perfectly well that they're not going to be any better on PC.

 

Really disappointed to find that the knockout game is a real game 

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:02 PM

Cheapy, based on your mention of X-Rebirth you should look into Star Citizen.  It is by the creator of Wing Commander and will have a full single player campaign and a MMO-ish persistent universe.  There will be no monthly fee for the multiplayer part.  

 

Still in the crowdfunding stage (almost $30 million raised) and not out until Late 2014/Early 2015.   However, they already have a hangar module in the CryEngine that let's you walk around/in your ships. The dogfighting alpha comes next month.  Early next year the planetside FPS portion will come out.  Eventually, all the modules will be stitched together for the final game.  You can get alpha/beta access, full single & multiplayer, and starter ship for $40.  Of course, some people have spent several thousand buying every ship available.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:53 PM

Thanks Wombat. Now I'm part of the $1 Shave Club too. I only wish I had your referral link before checking out. 



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:09 PM

Wombat has always hated Batman Beyond because of Terry McGinnis, I'm not sure why he tempered his response more this time compared to previous times the show has come up on the CAGcast.

 

So, I watch hardly any live TV, the occasional sports event, but all my scripted television I DVR and watch it later. As I understand it after reading some reviews, xbox commands only work when in live TV mode? To set recordings, play recorded programs, and access cable on-demand, etc I have to use the cable box remote, so probably 90% of the time I wouldn't get much value from the added xbox interface. If they were really after the TV room they should have positioned the Xbox one to replace the cable box, not piggyback on it.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:17 PM

Cheapy did a good job of explaining it, but AnandTech has some more information on why the PS4 finds it easier to output games in 1080p.

 

http://www.anandtech...ware-analysis/2

 

Basically, Microsoft always planned to use 8GB of DDR3 RAM because they always wanted their next console to be able to run games and media applications at the same time. Because DDR3 RAM is kind of slow they had to use ESRAM to compensate, and ESRAM takes up space on-die.  So there was less room for compute and ROP partitions in their GPU.

 

Sony succesfully gambled on there being enough GDDR5 RAM available for them to put 8 GB of it in the PS4.  Back in February a lot of people thought they were only going to be able to have 4 GB.  The speed of GDDR5 RAM meant there was no need for ESRAM, and so they were able to have a signifcantly stronger GPU.  The comparison most often used is that the PS4 has the equivalent of a Radeon HD7850 and the X1 has the equivalent of a Radeon HD 7770.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:45 PM

Cheapy, I hope you are planning to send Wombat a ps4 as a Hannukah present, because he'll probably need some games that run in 1080p once he gets his new television.

Plus, it would be no fun hearing him be silent for a large part of the podcast for the next eight or so years. Let's make this happen.

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:46 PM

I definitely think Wombat is on to something in regards to the 30 something market.  The 80s babies that have been playing since NES are still gaming, and probably make a sizable portion of the market, but have spouses and children to contend with now.  

 

He already mentioned some of the features that make it easier for adults to game on xbox one like being able to split the screen and integrate TV, kid friendly kinect titles. But PS4 has some good features for the 'dad' market too:

 

-all audio through the controller headphone jack

-remote play (although I'm disappointed to hear Shipwreck was frustrated with the controls). 

 

Basically this feature set allows us 30 somethings to keep playing gory, violent games without disturbing others.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:48 PM

Cheapy in response to the little boy's hilarious prank he got you with...I would have laughed harder then him when I would shove my foot up his ass and my blank up his mom's blank:)

*real violence is not condoned by me but hexing them is ;)

#23 Leftykins

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:46 PM

I wouldn't say the xbox uses a slower memory necessarily, they just do different things.

 

GDDR5 is better for graphics while DDR3 is better at doing a bunch of different things at once.

 

I think this is evidenced by the fact that the Xbox can run multiple games and apps at the same time, while the PS4 needs to close one game before starting another.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:12 PM

I imagine eventually they will swing it so that you you can remote play to the vita with the option to blutooth connect a DS4 to the vita to serve as the controller, similar to how you could pair a DS3 with a PSP Go.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:58 AM

I wouldn't say the xbox uses a slower memory necessarily, they just do different things.

GDDR5 is better for graphics while DDR3 is better at doing a bunch of different things at once.

I think this is evidenced by the fact that the Xbox can run multiple games and apps at the same time, while the PS4 needs to close one game before starting another.

The PS4 can keep apps running while you play a game. So can the Vita.

DDR3 isn't just slower, it's a lot slower.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:41 AM

The way you guys are talking about the PS4, its tearing away my defenses about waiting to get into the new systems. I'm still going to hold strong. These games released really sound like the best launch titles for any system released in the past generations.



#27 Leftykins

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:50 AM

The PS4 can keep apps running while you play a game. So can the Vita.

DDR3 isn't just slower, it's a lot slower.

 

PS4 can't run two games simultaneously. Mine can't, maybe yours does?


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#28 Ehker

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:55 AM

:whee: Couldn't believe you guys read my comment! Hope it was received in the spirit it was intended... accurate critical judgement. I'm kidding of course, and can't stop with the dry sarcasm. Seriously stoked hearing it on air.  ;)

 

Really looking forward to getting all of your Xbox Onesses impressions. I'll be checking all of your twitters since the podcast lands almost a whole week after launch.



#29 Ehker

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:59 AM

 

I think this is evidenced by the fact that the Xbox can run multiple games and apps at the same time, while the PS4 needs to close one game before starting another.

 

 

Xbox One can't run multiple games. It goes up to one game and four apps.

 

That's actually a bit of a problem when you switch games with prospect of losing progress in what you're playing. There isn't a warning message like on the PS4 that it will quit out.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:26 AM

Thanks for reading my comment on air this time. I got a big kick out of that.

I found Wombat particularly funny this week and was glad to hear him clearly again. 

 

Dollar Shave Club sponsors some podcasts, if Wombat likes them you should consider reaching out to them for some on-air ads. I will stick to wet-shaving and double-edge safety razors but have heard good things about DSC.