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CAGcast #349: Our Favorites of 2013


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#31 webspinnerspect

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 02:57 PM

Hey Guys,

I have an opinion on "season passes". I agree that the term is misleading and at this point what the consumer expects to receive and what the developer/publisher expects to include is different. Here's my solution:

I don't think the developer should have to include "cosmetic" dlc in the pass. By cosmetic I mean any dlc that doesn't add major gameplay content to the game (just skins, extra vehicles, clothing, etc.). I enjoy this stuff just as much as anyone else but it isn't necessary and allows the developer to make a little extra cash. What I do have a problem with is if the developer doesn't include all "gameplay" content released. This is what I believe the intended purpose of a season pass was for. If enough people invested in the season pass it would ensure that additional content would be released. That being said they should have sales or bundles for "cosmetic" DLC

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#32 ZombieJeebus

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 07:47 PM

Oh yeah, my bad. I forgot that was in the International Statute of Spoilers. There is no set time frame for spoilers. I usually don't get to games until a year+ after they're released. It honestly should just be common courtesy to never spoil anything, at least not without a small warning. But I guess that's just my opinion.

While I get where you are coming from, no one wants to listen to a show where every game/movie/tv show is tap danced around because of "spoilers"*.  People want to hear these moments discussed in detail. 

 

CAGcast is pretty good about not spoiling anything for the first few months, that's good enough for the majority.

 

 

 

 

 

* quoted because to me there is a difference between a real spoiler (i.e. "I am your father"), and just random moments in games.  Bioshock Infinite's twist of [redacted] had nothing on the level of the first game when you find out [redacted]. 


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#33 Emiroo

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:47 PM

Just to echo what everyone else said, the problem with Season Passes is simply the term "Season Pass".  To the general public, "Season Pass" means that "I get everything."  You don't buy a season pass to Disney Land and then expect to be told, "You can ride everything except Space Mountain, Dumbo and the Teacups".

 

Change the terminology and the conflict and confusion disappears.


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#34 Yamato

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 10:33 AM

"You'e the best around" was played at the end of the show... thus keeping in CAG tradition, we must all watch this video.  (which was the first thing that popped into my head while the song was playing. 

 

While we're on the topic of old Cheapy D videos, does anyone remember that video that was edited to make it sound like Cheapy D and Wombat were a gay couple? I think it was fan-made for some contest entry.

 

Anyway, I can't seem to find it and thought maybe someone else would know what I'm talking about.



#35 Curufinwe

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:42 PM

I would like to see that video.

 

Happy New Year to the CAGCast crew.


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#36 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 06:50 PM

For all of the complaints about games that do Season Passes wrong, you guys should also give props to those that do it right like Telltale's episodic series and Pinball Arcade, the latter of which is going to be starting its third season of tables soon.

 

Minecraft is only on PS3 right now because they focused on the version for that other console that has a much larger install base than the remaining platforms that are coming next year. They're not that big of a team to be able to release the PS3, PS4, Vita, and Xbox One versions at the same time, so it'll take some time for the rest to be released.

 

I'm surprised that you guys could barely find five games that you sort of enjoyed this year. Cheapy shouldn't worry about whether the games on his list would be good recommendations to other people or not. If you enjoyed NHL 14 that much, it deserves a spot on the list.

 

NBA 2K14 is absolutely infested with the free-to-play-style currency BS in the same way as NBA 2K13. You earn this VC currency from playing any mode that is the main way that you pay for everything in the game, but that also means that you have one pool of VC for every mode. You could easily spend all of it in one mode and then have much less to work with in another mode to encourage paying for it or grinding for it. I've played NBA 2K11, 13, and 14 and the career mode upgrades have been much slower in 2K13 and 2K14 since it has to ping their servers to alter the amount of VC on my account. Then again, my major issue with NBA 2K14 on PS4/Xbox One is the forced story in the career mode that puts scripted moments in there that turned me off faster than the currency ever could.



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#37 horrido

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:07 PM

Nope that's completely right, I came to say the exact same thing.

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#38 Backlash

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:27 PM

The argument against the "Season Pass" has always seem kind of lame to me.  The solution to the problem is simple just wait until you know exactly what is in the pass before you buy it.  If it means waiting six months before you buy the pass then just wait. 

 

I disagree with you guys on micro-transactions on retail games.  I generally do not care about them.  They are not a requirement, and give you an opportunity to skip some grinding.  BTW, grinding in a game has been apart of gaming for decades.  I just do not see what is so wrong with offering people a chance to skip the grind if you want to.  Mass Effect 3 had the same thing and nothing forced me to buy them.  I could get the same content for just playing the game. 

 

The problem is when developers/publishers/whoever take a game without excessive grinding and introduce excessive grinding just to try to get people to pay to skip it.  



#39 eliter1

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:30 PM

Is anyone else pissed that MS didn't go with their original plan for DRM? I was really disappointed when they announced they were going to change it. I only have 3 games for my Xbox One but every time I have to change the disc I am reminded of how nice it would have been to not have to do that. I know selling games would have been different but I think the trade-off was worth it, especially for CAGs, who rarely pay full price for games and when they do it's because they really want to play the game and the price is worth it. Most games nowadays have sales, GCs or other promos on or around launch anyways. Maybe this would also force companies to price their games differently or come up with new incentives to buy a game at full price. We all know that only a small percentage of games should be priced at $60.   


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#40 Yamato

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:22 PM

Is anyone else pissed that MS didn't go with their original plan for DRM? I was really disappointed when they announced they were going to change it. I only have 3 games for my Xbox One but every time I have to change the disc I am reminded of how nice it would have been to not have to do that. I know selling games would have been different but I think the trade-off was worth it, especially for CAGs, who rarely pay full price for games and when they do it's because they really want to play the game and the price is worth it. Most games nowadays have sales, GCs or other promos on or around launch anyways. Maybe this would also force companies to price their games differently or come up with new incentives to buy a game at full price. We all know that only a small percentage of games should be priced at $60.   

I kind of liked the idea of "Steam-esque" sales and sharing games with a family/friends group. But I think their vision didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator of gamers. The biggest thing for me though was the difficulty with reselling games, which is a huge factor for a lot of people here. 



#41 Indiana

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 08:16 PM

The season pass thing is terrible.  If customers would just quit buying them in mass the vendors would quit offering them.