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#61 renique46

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:32 PM

I would love to know how these morons would react to what happen to Oscar Grant i suppose he was up to no good since he use to dabble in drugs too right.



#62 egofed

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:56 PM

I don't care about the history of either of them when there is an eye witness placing Trayvon on top of George and has George screaming for help. You guys can't be this deluded!



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 03:19 PM

Except it is NOT a requirement of my job and is something I do voluntarily. Please get your facts straight before making dumbass sarcastic comments. Thanks.

ITT: egofed dresses up in a firefighting dog costume as a VOLUNTARY PART OF HIS job, and therefore understands what it's like to be black and poor in America.

 

There. That's far less absurd. :rofl:


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#64 Purple Flames

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 04:11 PM

I don't care about the history of either of them when there is an eye witness placing Trayvon on top of George and has George screaming for help. You guys can't be this deluded!

That doesn't prove who started the fight. That only shows who had the upper hand at the time, and from the autopsy reports from the trial itself Zimmerman's story of having his head pounded into the concrete and punched multiple times was complete bullshit because there was none of Z's blood on Martin's hands or under his fingernails.



#65 egofed

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 04:45 PM

ITT: egofed dresses up in a firefighting dog costume as a VOLUNTARY PART OF HIS job, and therefore understands what it's like to be black and poor in America.

There. That's far less absurd. :rofl:


Good try again! Except it is on my days off and I go to other cities also. Please continue to disparage my public service though, it makes you look tolerant and compassionate.

Also, did I claim a perfect understanding of being black and poor? I thought I was just asking for better oversight and rules on spending other people's money.

You guys claim I hate black people, I'm just giving you facts that dispute your claim. I know you are just trolling for fun so please continue.

#66 Msut77

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:40 AM

 I thought I was just asking for better oversight and rules on spending other people's money.
 

Yessir, that is all you ever mentioned or implied.

 

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#67 egofed

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 02:03 PM

Yessir, that is all you ever mentioned or implied.

 

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Please elaborate. What have I mentioned or implied as possible solutions that were not meant to be implemented across the board racially? Equal application of policy is my motto. That is why affirmative action and such are crocks. Special rules for special people...is that really how you think a fair and just gov't works? The rich are not held accountable, but neither are the welfare breeders.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 06:40 PM

That doesn't prove who started the fight. That only shows who had the upper hand at the time, and from the autopsy reports from the trial itself Zimmerman's story of having his head pounded into the concrete and punched multiple times was complete bullshit because there was none of Z's blood on Martin's hands or under his fingernails.

So you believe the guy who called the cops, had wounds on his head and face, had a legally carried firearm, made no racial comments, etc attacked a kid when he knew the police were coming? You don't think it is more plausible that a 17 year old kid who felt he was being disrespected and made several hateful comments, didn't call the police, has been suspended from school, etc made a hotheaded decision and attacked a guy? I don't think Trayvon had any wounds on him. You can at least admit reasonable doubt, right?



#69 mykevermin

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 07:15 PM

It's funny how Martin's being suspended from school is an indictment of his character, while Zimmerman's multiple, multiple run-ins with the police AFTER being acquitted for killing a child must just be dumb luck.

 

It's always cherry picking season somewhere.


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#70 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 07:39 PM

Didn't Zimmerman save a family from a burning car? 



#71 UncleBob

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 08:11 PM

That family doesn't count.
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#72 Msut77

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:56 PM

What have I mentioned or implied as possible solutions that were not meant to be implemented across the board racially?

I would have said what possible solutions have you provided at all? You have mentioned just cutting payments off (of what programs you dont mention) and then you make allusions to other non solutions.


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#73 egofed

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:29 AM

I would have said what possible solutions have you provided at all? You have mentioned just cutting payments off (of what programs you dont mention) and then you make allusions to other non solutions.

I am in favor of vouchers for SNAP. A norplant or some such mandatory, enforceable birth control for welfare recipients. A form of work for welfare, beautifying and maintaining public housing and streets to instill a work ethic. Ending corporate welfare. Ending foreign aid. Are you opposed to all of these?



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:14 AM

Vouchers as opposed to cards?
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:18 AM

Vouchers for specific, nutritional foods versus sugary, refined and processed carbs that cause obesity and diabetes. Bob suggested the WIC program as a guideline.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:29 AM

mandatory, enforceable birth control for welfare recipients.

Wow. So freedom. Such America.


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#77 egofed

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:49 AM

Wow. So freedom. Such America.

Its only mandatory if you want welfare. Do you agree that those asking for other people's money should not have kids? You define taking people's money through threat of force to give to other people who didn't earn it as freedom?

 

Wow. So logical. So reasonable....



#78 UncleBob

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:25 AM

Wow. So freedom. Such America.


I don't know if I'd go as far as mandatory birth control, but I agree with premise of ego's idea.

You can go out and have all the babies you want. It's when other people get stuck paying all the bills that it becomes a problem.

You're still free to do what you want - it's when you choose to say "hey, pay for me." that you are willingly exchanging your freedom for free stuff.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:51 PM

I am definitely torn here, as I am 100% against most gov't mandatory anything, but I am also 100% for actually fixing problems and making the world a better place. Giving people a choice is not taking away there freedom, where in taking personal property via threat of force is. Please offer up other solutions that will correct the problem. How do we create enough jobs, provide sufficient education, and, harder still, instill a work ethic and desire to get the education and work the job in kids whose parents do not? If welfare is paying $15 grand a year to do nothing, why work a job making $17 grand?



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:20 PM

those asking for other people's money

You view those words and think "welfare." I view those words and I think "all politics."

 

tax cuts = other people's money. government grants = other people's money. subsidies = other people's money. public property = other people's money. tax hikes = other people's money. anything relating to government and revenue or expenditure, logically, can be categorized as "other people's money."

 

It's selectively myopic to get upset about somebody who makes $7.25 an hour at CVS using their Access card to buy gummy bears and say "they shouldn't have kids."

 

If corporations can't get by without tax cuts, they shouldn't be in business. There's your logic in action.


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#81 egofed

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:16 PM

"If corporations can't get by without tax cuts, they shouldn't be in business. There's your logic in action."

 

I totally agree! Too big to fail my ass. I think we both agree that tax reform is desperately needed. The bailouts were a travesty! I am against all waste and non logical use of tax money.

 

 

"It's selectively myopic to get upset about somebody who makes $7.25 an hour at CVS using their Access card to buy gummy bears and say "they shouldn't have kids."

 

I don't see that as selective at all. If you do not make enough to feed and cloth yourself, then it is selfish and greedy to procreate and demand other people's money to make your life sustainable. Common sense is not on your side, my friend. Also, using tax money to only purchase nutritional food is a win-win for everybody except the the "evil, greedy" candy corporations.

 

Helping people is one thing, promoting and incentivizing growing your family while on assistance is sheer stupidity if we wish to see poverty levels decrease.
 

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#82 berzirk

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 05:07 PM

Hey guys, I wrote a children's book. If anybody wants to buy a copy, let me know. The book "page" can be found here: https://www.facebook...DidntHaveToPoop

 

I thought this might be off-topic here, but then again...I don't think anything is off topic anymore.

 

Dead serious. I wrote a book. Lemme know if you want one. I'll do a personalized dedication/sign a copy.

 

OK, as you were.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:55 PM

Vouchers for specific, nutritional foods versus sugary, refined and processed carbs that cause obesity and diabetes. Bob suggested the WIC program as a guideline.

How much money would that save? If it costs more for better foods, would you increase the value of the vouchers?


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:09 PM

How much money would that save? If it costs more for better foods, would you increase the value of the vouchers?


I'm still stuck on the "work for welfare" part because that would mean expanding the government by providing MORE government jobs...jobs that would require a minimum wage and more than likely displace full-time workers, which would then also be reliant on the government for similar programs that he's railing against. But hey, COMMON SENSE, amirite?
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:26 PM

I'm still stuck on the "work for welfare" part because that would mean expanding the government by providing MORE government jobs...jobs that would require a minimum wage and more than likely displace full-time workers, which would then also be reliant on the government for similar programs that he's railing against. But hey, COMMON SENSE, amirite?

It's true, it doesn't make sense, and like many of those proposals, is shortsighted and neglects to consider how interconnected 20 other programs, departments, and events are. Then the forced sterilization/birth control? Jesus, the Nazis called, and they want ego to chill. I don't think anybody is happy that lazy people who are the face of the stereotype get free shit, but they are also the vast minority. I'd like to see defense, foreign aid, and some forms of personal and corporate welfare tightened up, but it's kind of like the mess of a healthcare system we have. I don't see a way to fix 2-3 things, without breaking a dozen more.  

 

While we're on the topic of rants, I have a brilliant idea-federal taxed campaign contributions. Let people and corporations donate as much as they want, but the candidate needs to declare it, and pay 20% tax, with funds earmarked to pay down the debt. You want to donate $10M to the candidate of your choice? OK, thanks for the $5M in debt relief.

 

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:56 PM

"If corporations can't get by without tax cuts, they shouldn't be in business. There's your logic in action."

I totally agree! Too big to fail my ass. I think we both agree that tax reform is desperately needed. The bailouts were a travesty! I am against all waste and non logical use of tax money.


"It's selectively myopic to get upset about somebody who makes $7.25 an hour at CVS using their Access card to buy gummy bears and say "they shouldn't have kids."

I don't see that as selective at all. If you do not make enough to feed and cloth yourself, then it is selfish and greedy to procreate and demand other people's money to make your life sustainable. Common sense is not on your side, my friend. Also, using tax money to only purchase nutritional food is a win-win for everybody except the the "evil, greedy" candy corporations.

Helping people is one thing, promoting and incentivizing growing your family while on assistance is sheer stupidity if we wish to see poverty levels decrease.

Then why don't we ever see you decrying corporations instead of solely focusing on those in poverty? There's nary a corporation in existence that doesn't take advantage of tax benefits and government benefits such as tax abatement and interest free loans. Why no outrage toward them?

Furthermore, where's the outrage at these corporations for not paying a livable wage and thus effectively relying indirectly on government assistance to provide for their employees? Some even going so far, such as Mcdonalds and Walmart actively telling their employees to seek government assistance because of the low pay.

Put it all together and you've got corporations with a much bigger hand in the pie than the "welfare queens" you concern yourself so much with.

#87 mykevermin

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:19 PM

Well, corporations are people, but they don't have kids. ;)


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:23 PM

While we're on the topic of rants, I have a brilliant idea-federal taxed campaign contributions. Let people and corporations donate as much as they want, but the candidate needs to declare it, and pay 20% tax, with funds earmarked to pay down the debt. You want to donate $10M to the candidate of your choice? OK, thanks for the $5M in debt relief.


Only 20%? :D
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:58 PM

Only 20%? :D

I'd like it to be painful, but not as egregious as some of our other taxation. Heh. Takes some of the value out of huge donations, all while supporting a cause that both sides claim is so important to them. If I need to pay taxes if I inherit something, or win a prize, or am gifted items/money, then why in the hell shouldn't politicians have to file taxes on money they're given for political campaigns?

Then again, they were refusing to be covered by the same healthcare laws the citizens were, so why wouldn't I expect a double standard for those sycophants.



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:22 AM

How much money would that save? If it costs more for better foods, would you increase the value of the vouchers?

Ok, answers a plenty coming. Vouchers for skinless chicken breast and thighs, frozen bags of mixed veggies, cans of tuna in water, and bags of pure oatmeal. I ate this for basically two years and was in the best shape of my life. Water is pretty much all I drink these days and is virtually free. Any costs that would be increased would definitely be counteracted by the decrease in diabetes and other obesity related diseases. See how Obamacare factors in preventative care savings. Good nutrition is way more effective at decreasing health problems than monthly check ups.