A Humanitarian Crisis at Our Borders or ShaqFu Obama for Being Lenient

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/too-many-too-fast-border-children-swamping-agents-n126751

Heard on the radio just now about how US Border agents have become babysitters because of a huge number of children entering our borders in the past few years. Most of these children are unaccompanied minors, and range from as young as four to as old as teenagers. As they come in, they are clearly suffering from a lot of maladies from malnutrition to measles to smallpox and just about anything under the desert sun.

Why are they illegally entering our borders? Because these children want our jobs? No, because of the US government's negligence with our nearest neighbors, as drug and gang violence has gotten so bad that many people have become refugees. They do not just come from Mexico, (duh!, they come from various countries even south of that like Honduras, Guatemala, Columbia, etc.

What is our Congress going to do about it? They would rather deport these children, who have already suffered so much and are continuing to suffer due to lack of resources from the people who are now their caretakers. Our borders agents are trying their best, btw. A recent committee meeting showed how GOP politicians were more concerned about immigration policy than helping these children.

Is this Obama's fault? Obviously yes if you hate him so much, especially since this has been going on for quite a while.

 
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Mexico sucks. If it wasn't my great-grandfather, it would have been my grandfather. If it wasn't him, it would have been my father. Otherwise it would have been me. Luckily it was easier back then because I would be a skeleton in the desert right now.
 
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Give them a choice, walk back or get used for target practice.

We need to sue Mexico for the amount of cash we are spending on these leeches, and if they don't pay, take it.

 
Hey, Mitt Romney's grandparents are from Mexico.

Being soft on immigrants is exactly why we all need immigration reform in a addition to many things. Congress can't just sit on their wads of cash and do nothing while whining about how brown people are taking white jobs away while a few countries across from the border people are dying, families are being taken apart, and a society is under the grip of fear. If the anti-Immigration camp says deport them, where the hell is that bill?

 
We are $19 trillion in debt. Congress is sitting on wads of cash? Really? The last time I checked, $4.1 billion of the $10 billion we spend on gov't daily is borrowed. I also asked my liberal friends who say that I can't expect everyone to work due to a lack of jobs what they think an influx of amnesty or easy immigration will do for job availability. I received no response. What is the exact reforms that you want enacted? Are we to cure all of the world' ills with tax payer money?
 
Many Republicans are for what is essentially amnesty once you secure the border. They are willing to take that hit at the polls once the demographics shift, but they want to stop the bleeding. Can't see why this compromise isn't taken up.
 
Republicans also support business interests which aren't opposed to cheap labor from illegal immigration. Hence the reason immigration is never going to be fixed. Democrats don't want to piss off a large swath of their voting base, and Republicans don't want to piss off their rich benefactors who fund their re-elections.

It essentially leaves the lower middle class (what's left of it, anyway) with no one to advocate for their best interests because they suffer the most from illegal immigration in that their effort to obtain jobs is hampered.
 
RedvsBlue said:
Republicans also support business interests which aren't opposed to cheap labor from illegal immigration. Hence the reason immigration is never going to be fixed. Democrats don't want to piss off a large swath of their voting base, and Republicans don't want to piss off their rich benefactors who fund their re-elections.

It essentially leaves the lower middle class (what's left of it, anyway) with no one to advocate for their best interests because they suffer the most from illegal immigration in that their effort to obtain jobs is hampered.
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The lower middle class also gains the benefit of cheaper goods and services thanks to cheap labor - both third world and immigrant labor here. The lower middle class isn't going to go out and pick fruit, mow lawns, or do other jobs typically associated with immigrant labor, so shutting the door on immigrants would hurt the lower middle class' purchasing power.

Your first paragraph can be used to explain why many other things are the way they are, too. War on drugs won't end without a paradigm change, as democrats would never go for something that would weaken police unions, and republicans are largely anti-drug and pro-cops themselves.

In any event, just eliminate immigration controls entirely, and let the process handle itself. Families/individuals from poor countries could come here and better themselves, businesses could get labor that doesn't have a large supply here, and everyone else gets cheaper goods and services. Win, win, win.

 
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Feeding the Abscess said:
The lower middle class also gains the benefit of cheaper goods and services thanks to cheap labor - both third world and immigrant labor here. The lower middle class isn't going to go out and pick fruit, mow lawns, or do other jobs typically associated with immigrant labor, so shutting the door on immigrants would hurt the lower middle class' purchasing power.

Your first paragraph can be used to explain why many other things are the way they are, too. War on drugs won't end without a paradigm change, as democrats would never go for something that would weaken police unions, and republicans are largely anti-drug and pro-cops themselves.
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Fair point, cheap labor has also kept the price of food and produce low.
 
RedvsBlue said:
Republicans also support business interests which aren't opposed to cheap labor from illegal immigration. Hence the reason immigration is never going to be fixed. Democrats don't want to piss off a large swath of their voting base, and Republicans don't want to piss off their rich benefactors who fund their re-elections.

It essentially leaves the lower middle class (what's left of it, anyway) with no one to advocate for their best interests because they suffer the most from illegal immigration in that their effort to obtain jobs is hampered.
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I am hiring lettuce pickers, I pay about 25 bucks a day, 7 days a week, 12-16 hours a day, you interested?

Didn't think so.

 
rebelschs said:
All the Democrats and Liberals want to break immigration laws. Get back in line and do as Obama says.
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What does any of that have to do with you breaking federal and state labor laws? Do all Republicans and Conservatives like to break labor laws? I'M not the one circumventing labor law by hiring legal or undocumented migrant workers at below legal rates, but you sure as hell seem to be or at the very least promoting it. Maybe shitheads like you shouldn't create a market and bitch about "illegals" while profiting off them. It's...you know...hypocritical. Or just maybe, the market has told you that your wages are too low and that you should raise them if you really needed the labor. Nah, you'd probably rather just let the crops rot away in the field because you'd make less profit if you paid wages that would attract workers just like those other dumb fucks a few years ago in Georgia.
 
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Feeding the Abscess said:
The lower middle class also gains the benefit of cheaper goods and services thanks to cheap labor - both third world and immigrant labor here. The lower middle class isn't going to go out and pick fruit, mow lawns, or do other jobs typically associated with immigrant labor, so shutting the door on immigrants would hurt the lower middle class' purchasing power.
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What would raising the minimum wage do to the lower middle class' purchasing power?

Once a person is legalized, they no longer have to work in the underground economy. You do expect at least a portion of those, if not all, to come out of the shadows and start competing for legal jobs that pay more, right?

 
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This is the whole reason why income inequity distribution is so farking off in this country..

As long as you got basically slave labor, the already poor and lower class americans don't feel so bad ... cause they can still afford goods based on the labor of the hidden slaves and not hold those corporate fat cats accountable for their ridiculous salaries.

Now imagine if we had to pay a lettuce picker current normal wages, the price of lettuce would go up and the already poor/lower income would not afford the lettuce ( assuming we keep the CORPORATE salaries the same )

So in order for the lettuce picker to afford his/her own lettuce, he/she must also have a FAIR WAGE, and CORPORATE america cannot rely on slaves to bring in their profits and hide the ACTUAL cost of labor.    This is why a corporate lettuce producer/boss/CEO make 500X that of a laborer.

FAIR and ACTUAL wages is what needs to be addressed, not immigration.  Income disparity is the real cost of the issue

 
there is this amazing thing i want to introduce you to.  some people are better then others.  crazy i know.  they are smarter, more educated; they deserve to be paid more.  when you pick lettuce for a living you don't need to be paid CURRENT NORMAL FAIR WAGES.  your fair wage is the small amount you are making, because you are picking lettuce. 

but  n e ways, on topic its pretty sad what is happening down there.  sucks for all the kids that their parents are just dumping them =\

 
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irideabike said:
there is this amazing thing i want to introduce you to. some people are better then others. crazy i know. they are smarter, more educated; they deserve to be paid more. when you pick lettuce for a living you don't need to be paid CURRENT NORMAL FAIR WAGES. your fair wage is the small amount you are making, because you are picking lettuce.



but n e ways, on topic its pretty sad what is happening down there. sucks for all the kids that their parents are just dumping them =\
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Nah dood. Y r u antilettuce. U no

like lettuce?


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o i kN0 u lyke prunes dat

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irideabike said:
there is this amazing thing i want to introduce you to. some people are better then others. crazy i know. they are smarter, more educated; they deserve to be paid more. when you pick lettuce for a living you don't need to be paid CURRENT NORMAL FAIR WAGES. your fair wage is the small amount you are making, because you are picking lettuce.



but n e ways, on topic its pretty sad what is happening down there. sucks for all the kids that their parents are just dumping them =\
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Less talent or educational background isn't a valid excuse for exploitation.
 
I mean as much fun as it is to beat on the poors. Every one but the super rich have seen wages drop or stagnate. This means educated people to.
 
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irideabike said:
there is this amazing thing i want to introduce you to. some people are better then others. crazy i know. they are smarter, more educated; they deserve to be paid more. when you pick lettuce for a living you don't need to be paid CURRENT NORMAL FAIR WAGES. your fair wage is the small amount you are making, because you are picking lettuce.

but n e ways, on topic its pretty sad what is happening down there. sucks for all the kids that their parents are just dumping them =\
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I think that I can agree with the Liberals on one thing, what the fuck are you trying to say?

 
Msut77 said:
I mean as much fun as it is to beat on the poors. Every one but the super rich have seen wages drop or stagnate. This means educated people to.
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Shh... some of these guys don't realize that their food has been replaced with MSG and the stuff they wear and own is made in even crappier places than China.

 
To tie this in with another topic...

If we didn't discriminate by requiring employees to present ID to get hired, maybe these poor undocumented workers wouldn't be required to get jobs in the "underground economy".

Where's the folks screaming to get rid of the I9?
 
UncleBob said:
To tie this in with another topic...

If we didn't discriminate by requiring employees to present ID to get hired, maybe these poor undocumented workers wouldn't be required to get jobs in the "underground economy".

Where's the folks screaming to get rid of the I9?
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Good idea. Why do we even need ID anyways? All it is doing is holding people back.

Unfortunately that is how Liberals think.

 
I love how people who listen to the mainstream media get their news like 5 months later than everyone else. Hasn't it been clear by now that Obama has the press in his backpocket?
 
RPGNinja said:
I love how people who listen to the mainstream media get their news like 5 months later than everyone else. Hasn't it been clear by now that Obama has the press in his backpocket?
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I can't believe you would say that about CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC.

Throw Yahoo news in there too, plus the NY Times and all the other shitty newspapers.

Pretty much Soros and the Liberals own the media. I wonder if they report something bad about Obama, if Soros will sell the out to the Nazis or whatever hate group he is running these days.

 
rebelschs said:
I can't believe you would say that about CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC.

Throw Yahoo news in there too, plus the NY Times and all the other shitty newspapers.

Pretty much Soros and the Liberals own the media. I wonder if they report something bad about Obama, if Soros will sell the out to the Nazis or whatever hate group he is running these days.
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You forgot to mention the Illuminati, doofus. EVERYONE knows that it's the Trilateral Commission working with the Majestic 12 with those chemtrails.
 
Someone remind me again all about the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Blackwater/Blood for Oil/Bush Lied, People Died/The Government did 9/11 so they could take away our freedoms with the PATRIOT Act/etc. It's been too long since that's came up, I've forgotten how government conspiracies work when it's a convenient story for the left...
 
UncleBob said:
Someone remind me again all about the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Blackwater/Blood for Oil/Bush Lied, People Died/The Government did 9/11 so they could take away our freedoms with the PATRIOT Act/etc. It's been too long since that's came up, I've forgotten how government conspiracies work when it's a convenient story for the left...
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Just watch CNN or MSNBC for about 25 minutes. They usually try to throw some conservative hate in there about 4 times an hour.

If that doesn't work, read the Huffington Post, Yahoo News, or my favorite toilet paper, the New York Times.

 
What the hell is the GOP's plan for "immigration reform?"  I guess it must be nothing, considering any action whether it is arresting all brown people or a path to citizenship could be considered amnesty.  Guess it means they have to survive as the white party somehow, if they keep practicing "misegenation."

Reading that all of these kids at the border are because of human trafficking, which the House supposedly declared war on a while ago if I see the google searches. Sounds like a huge clusterf- down in South America.

 
detectiveconan16 said:
I knew it! Fox News says the reason why there are so many kids at the border is because Obama's trying to swell up the voter rolls for the next election!
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I would not doubt it.

He trashed the Constitution almost as much as Lincoln did, so he will probably try to get a 3rd term, or do like Putin and just create a new position for himself.

 
detectiveconan16 said:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/08/we-must-open-our-hearts-glenn-beck-announces-major-border-event-in-texas/
Holy crap! Even Glenn Beck wants to help those refugee kids! And he's receiving death threats for it.
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Glenn Beck is a liberal manchurian candidate meant to rile up conservatives. It was a plot hatched by Barrack HUSSIENALLAHISGREAT ObamaMUSLIM, Slick Bill Clinton, Bill The Weatherman Ayers, Louis Farakhan, and the ring leader, George Soros. With this one statement, Beck has revealed all of the conservatives to the NSA and they will begin rounding them up and putting them into FEMA work camps. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BITCHES
 
Who thinks we should secure the border? Did the Democrats really defund the fence that legislature had voted to build previously? Should we give 3.7 or so BILLION dollars that we already don't have to deal with these illegals? I'd dump them back across the Mexican border and let el Presidente deal with them.

 
No but I'm sure it is cheaper then housing/feeding/clothing/providing medicare/insurance to thousands of illegals.  How hard would it be to move some of the 900k+ soldiers sitting on their asses on military bases on US soil to the border?

 
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irideabike said:
No but I'm sure it is cheaper then housing/feeding/clothing/providing medicare/insurance to thousands of illegals. How hard would it be to move some of the 900k+ soldiers sitting on their asses on military bases on US soil to the border?
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Those thousands of soldiers who would be moved to the border also get their salaries/healthcare/etc from the government. It's no less welfare than any social welfare spending the government engages in. Additionally, what would armed troops at the border accomplish? Would they shoot the kids and families openly walking over the border and submitting to border patrol agents to be arrested/detained/whatever?

 
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To be fair - paying armed soldiers at the border is almost certainly cheaper than paying armed soldiers to go abroad and maintain foreign bases.
 
Feeding the Abscess said:
Those thousands of soldiers who would be moved to the border also get their salaries/healthcare/etc from the government. It's no less welfare than any social welfare spending the government engages in. Additionally, what would armed troops at the border accomplish? Would they shoot the kids and families openly walking over the border and submitting to border patrol agents to be arrested/detained/whatever?
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Let's not beat around the bush the military is far larger then it should be and you and I both know that it should be cut. And why would they be detained? Do you honestly think people will keep coming if the military is pushing them back? And we don't need border patrol to detain them, throw them in a humvee and drop them right back where they started.

 
While I am a fan of open borders (although requiring many other changes), that's a pretty big statement you made.

Lots of countries have similar (and worse) situations with the whole "death squads" and "drug dealers" (did you know we have drug dealers here in the US?). In some countries, these folks hold governmental power. It may sound heartless to say "Not our problem", but I don't think anyone here wants Team America to go around and play World Police to save everyone's souls.
 
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