Ray Rice poster boy for domestic violence? Serious double standards

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So as we all know Ray Rice is now the poster boy for domestic violence and a woman hater when this was basically the only time he "probably" did something like this.   And it wasn't like he beat his significant other like common domestic violence offenders M.O.   Most serial domestic violence offenders don't just stop after a punch or push, unlike Rice.

So it got me thinking a little google search brings up:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Police-domestic-violence-nearly-twice-average-rate-2536928.php

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28395356

http://jezebel.com/5991019/forty-percent-of-police-officer-families-experience-domestic-violence

Here is a guy who gets to keep his GUN and JOB after he was arrested TWICE within weeks of beating his wife

http://www.10news.com/news/sdpd-officer-re-arrested-on-alleged-domestic-abuse

Lets not forget

http://www.today.com/video/today/55574347

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/26502322/police-investigate-alleged-assault-by-hpd-officer-caught-on-video

You know what Ray Rice is not a hero and is never held to any high standreds, however POLICE officers are and we are constantly bombarded with how noble and heroic they are, yet when they commit violence against women, the media do not make them poster boys?  And when you have 40% of LEO involved in some type of domestic violence, how many is that compared to NFL players?

We have some seriously f'ed up priorities

 
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Why do you hate the police so much?

Legitimate question. I just want to know if you had a bad experience or something with them.

 
rebelschs said:
Why do you hate the police so much?

Legitimate question. I just want to know if you had a bad experience or something with them.
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I don't hate all of them, I hate how we don't address REAL issues. So we get to bash Ray Rice while ignoring those who are actually dangerous and HAVE A LOADED weapon.

The same weapon that is now being militarized against citizens.

Because of this double standards where police are allowed more leeway to commit crimes and get away with it, they think they are better then us. And when one group think they hold a better moral ground, they then can enforce their authority through force more easily. HOLY FARKING SH*T is that not how our current foreign policy is right now.

Wait until such mentality policy become domestic as well

Ray Rice got nothing he can do to you, however THE GOV'T and its agents have the absolute power of force with the power to also decide your life/death.

Ray Rice commits a crime, who f'in cares.. Gov't or those under gov't with gov't powers commit crimes, you better have something to care about.

 
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I don't really care about this much (as in this specific incident), but...

How many people knew of any of the guy's names you linked to before their incidents?

How many people knew of Ray Rice before his incident?

"Guy that everyone knows" who did something horrible is going to become "Guy that everyone knows who did something horrible."

"Guy nobody knows" who did something horrible is still going to be "Guy nobody knows".
 
The other issue is that the NFL handled this horribly. I'm not sure why they thought they could sweep it under the rug. I think that if they had given him 6 games (which seems the "standard" for this type of stuff), most of the storm could have been avoided even after the video surfaced. After all, both were charged so the NFL could point to that.

As far as the OP, I think UncleBob nailed it... nobody is watching the other guys on TV, nor are kids idolizing those no name people.

 
Finger_Shocker said:
People don't idolize cops?

What about a group that is idolized and not a individual?
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Yes, all the kids nowadays are hanging posters of cops on their walls, and wearing jerseys with their local police department number on them.

Here we go, Precinct 19, here we go. *clap clap* Here we go, Precinct 19, here we go. *stomp stomp*

 
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oh and...

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Squarehard said:
Yes, all the kids nowadays are hanging posters of cops on their walls, and wearing jerseys with their local police department number on them.

Here we go, Precinct 19, here we go. *clap clap* Here we go, Precinct 19, here we go. *stomp stomp*
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Do you know how many POLICE TV shows there are just on prime time ?

So yea, we so don't portray police much do we :whistle2: :whistle2: :whistle2: :whistle2:

 
I don't think anyone is saying we don't "idolize" cops, but no where near the level we idolize sporting participants.

We have cop shows. We have entire sports networks.
We have guns vs. hoses events. We have the freaking Olympics.

Again - ask people to name ten non-local cops, then ask them to name ten non-local athletes.
 
Finger_Shocker said:
Do you know how many POLICE TV shows there are just on prime time ?

So yea, we so don't portray police much do we :whistle2: :whistle2: :whistle2: :whistle2:
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Yes, because we all know that cop shows are where the ratings are at, and sports get 0 viewers, especially football which nobody pays attention to in the US. :whistle2: :whistle2: :whistle2: :whistle2:

UncleBob said:
I don't think anyone is saying we don't "idolize" cops, but no where near the level we idolize sporting participants.

We have cop shows. We have entire sports networks.
We have guns vs. hoses events. We have the freaking Olympics.

Again - ask people to name ten non-local cops, then ask them to name ten non-local athletes.
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I don't think cops get their own fantasy leagues either.

"I'll take Sgt. Ron Smith in the first round."

 
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No cause you are missing the point..

Its not idolizing sports players or about know players name vs. cop names..  Its how we are scapegoating the NFL as a whole as this league with somehow crazed domestic violence men, when in fact compared LEO "leagues"  LEO has more of a problem with domestic violence abusers.

Somehow the whole NFL is being shamed for the action/s of Ray Rice and others, yet no one consider to shame the LEO as a whole the same way.  When LEO as a whole commits far greater domestic violence crimes

And now the NFL had to hire a whole PR act with 3 ex FEMALE prosecutors and LEO officers to give them advice.... LOL

Wonder why LEO don't have such PR problems....

So its not Ray Rice, its how we are so fine attacking the NFL as a whole as having such problem when in fact LEO as a whole have a far greater problem in this

 
A) No one seems to have a problem yelling "**** the police." when one guy does something that may or may not have had racial connotations. Yet we're supposed to be ashamed of the way the NFL gets treated because of one player?

B) Police *do* serve a purpose in many communities. NFL teams do not.
 
Yea cause NFL player have the authority to arrest and whose words are held to a higher standard..  Wonder if NFL have access to military weapons and can disperse people with deadly force or force. 

Hey wake me up when any NFL players have the power to ruin people's lives through gov't authorized powers...

 
See - you're taking the actions of a few police forces and putting it on all police.

Also C) There is one "NFL". There is no one "police". Although there are multiple teams, they're all ran by the same organization. Police aren't like that - so you can't call the "head of police" and threaten to pull all your ad money from them because some cop in LA did something horrible. You can call the Commissioner of the NFL and threaten to pull ad money from him.

I'm not saying all cops (or even any particular percentage of cops) are saints who are never wrong and are second only to Jesus, mom and apple pie. I'm just saying the two aren't really comparable - something that should be pretty basic to understand.
 
Seems like you didn't read the links posted.

Domestic violence commited by LEO is a NATION-wide problem, hence the reason for the statistics.  

I posted some example of local police, but this is a NATION-wide issue that permeates all LEO in every 50 states

So good job not reading everything when in fact I posted a study that look at this issue from a NATION-wide epidemic in the LEO community..

 
Nation wide issue - okay.
So who do you go to about it?

Someone who has an issue with an NFL player or two can go to the NFL Commissioner.

Who do you go to when you have an issue with fifty police officers in fifty different states?
 
No..... cause somehow the media love to turned this into a epidemic that the NFL has. When in fact the epidemic is far worst and the outcomes are far better for police involved in domestic violence.
If the media actually did a real study, domestic violence is more of a epidemic in the LEO community then the NFL.

Of course institutionalised racism is way better, running photos of big black males who are prone to violence.
 
Finger_Shocker said:
I don't hate all of them, I hate how we don't address REAL issues. So we get to bash Ray Rice while ignoring those who are actually dangerous and HAVE A LOADED weapon.

The same weapon that is now being militarized against citizens.

Because of this double standards where police are allowed more leeway to commit crimes and get away with it, they think they are better then us. And when one group think they hold a better moral ground, they then can enforce their authority through force more easily. HOLY FARKING SH*T is that not how our current foreign policy is right now.

Wait until such mentality policy become domestic as well

Ray Rice got nothing he can do to you, however THE GOV'T and its agents have the absolute power of force with the power to also decide your life/death.

Ray Rice commits a crime, who f'in cares.. Gov't or those under gov't with gov't powers commit crimes, you better have something to care about.
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I understand your points, and I agree with some of them. I really don't give a damn if Ray Rice beat his wife or not. It doesn't affect me directly in any way. The problem I have with the issue is that this happens all the time in so many places, and no one gives a shit until a famous athlete does it. That, to me, is the real problem.

Squarehard said:
I don't think cops get their own fantasy leagues either.

"I'll take Sgt. Ron Smith in the first round."
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You would seriously take him over Chief Wiggum or Officer Barbrady?

I am surprised no one has been talking about steroids in this thread yet. Hell, these guys may be having fits of roid rage and their ladies and children are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The NFL may drug test, but we all know the guys making the shit are one step ahead of the testers. I guess all of that stuff will come out in time though.

 
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