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#2071 paz9x

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 06:07 PM

Was it a title fight at all? It was only 3 rounds but normally title fights are 5 rounds, I'm confused now.


yeah the 3 rounds had me confused, but it was listed as a wamma titlefight.
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#2072 paz9x

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 06:09 PM

I knew Fedor would win, but gotta give it up to Rogers, he did better than anyone thought he would, and really had Fedor in trouble in the first round.


you know, after rewatching the gnp section i didnt think it was bad at all. it looked like fedor was trying to move and ate some shots to try and get the arm bar. if they werent against the fence there i think he gets his leg over and the fight ends there.
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#2073 Ugamer_X

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 06:10 PM

It wasn't a title fight, it was a special attraction.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 06:44 PM

Yeah, I think the "WAMMA Heavyweight Champion" thing is just part of the M-1 Global garbage that the show was littered with. Not that Fedor needs any extra hype (although I guess for people who have no clue who he is, it sounds impressive), but M-1 keeps throwing that tag on him for a belt that doesn't even exist anymore.

But I'll tell ya, Fedor's next fight HAS to be for the Strikeforce title. If they can't get Overeem to fight him, then Overeem should be stripped of the title. Even if you put Fedor against Werdum and have them fight for a vacated belt, Strikeforce just needs an active HW champion. If Fedor fights on CBS again and doesn't have a belt, people are going to wonder what the hell is going on.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 07:28 PM

Great night of fights Werdum out lasted Big Foot.

Mousasi had excellent composure and wins again(anyone notice Hendo congradulating him? Reason Hendo was there though cause he was in The African Assassins corner. I still think he might go to Strikeforce though.)

Shields pretty much did what I thought and controlled Miller on the ground most the fight. Certainly, if it was standing though Miller would have won.

Fedor still has it definitely! It reminded me of the Arlovski fight(even though Arlovski didn't last round one), first round Rogers landed some good shots(however don't think he did enough to win that round even with Fedor having a broken nose). Second round Fedor ever patient, lands the perfect shot and it's over(Give Rodgers credit since he took it to the second round). Fedor didn't look perfect but did well for his first live fight in a cage( he looking confused against the cage a few times in the first round). A few times he looked like he wanted to soceer kick Rogers in the face but wisely held off.

No way this was an early stoppage Brett dropped like a sack of potatoes. He doesn't brace for the fall, he doesn't come to until after his head snaps back off the mat, and the only way it wouldn't have ended without serious injury to rodgers is if fedor had a sudden heart attack or got struck by lightning.






The World Alliance of Mixed Martial Arts (WAMMA) is a sanctioning organization for professional MMA. WAMMA lists its goals as "promoting the integrity, legitimacy and longevity of mixed martial arts" through unified rule sets and rankings. The organization's slogan is "One Belt One King."
WAMMA's goals are to invest in the sport of MMA by way of contributions to a fighter pension fund, insurance programs for fighters, financial education seminars, and referee and judge training. Unlike traditional "sanctioning bodies" WAMMA does not charge a sanctioning fee to promoters and does not place a tax on a fighter's purse. WAMMA also outsources its rankings to an independent ranking board composed of over 20 prominent MMA journalists.

On June 14, 2008 it was announced that the fight between Fedor and Tim Sylvia atAffliction: Banned would be for the newly created WAMMA Heavyweight Title. Emelianenko defeated Sylvia and became the first WAMMA Heavyweight champion.[4]
On December 29, 2008 it was announced that the Shinya Aoki vs. Eddie Alvarez fight at Dynamite!! 2008 would be for the vacant WAMMA Lightweight Championship.[5] Shinya Aoki defeated Eddie Alvarez and became the first WAMMA Lightweight Champion.
On November 7th, 2009 Fedor defeated Brett Rogers in a fight sanctioned by WAMMA, but it was NOT for the WAMMA Heavyweight title.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 07:54 PM

Fedor is not human!!, and i was impressed by Rodgers during the fight but he blew it during the interview with all that whining
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 03:03 PM

Did anyone else hear that crack/pop when Fedor knocked out Rogers? That was insane!

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 03:34 PM

Did anyone else hear that crack/pop when Fedor knocked out Rogers? That was insane!

Yeah man, that was brutal. Did any of you guys notice in the first round when Fedor looked like he was going to kick Rogers in the head? He looked like he was going to go for a soccer kick and then it hit him that he couldn't.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 03:44 PM

Fedor took advantage of the fact Rogers kept dropping his hands (tired?) like a total n00b. Otherwise Rogers had a very good shot of winning that fight.

Stop was early, no denying but that was a huge punch.

Shields shows me a new way to do absolutely nothing to someone on the ground.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:04 PM

Stop was early, no denying but that was a huge punch.


um what??? There is no way in hell that stoppage was early. That punch would've stopped a Mack Truck.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

Definately not an early stoppage. Rogers was out. Just because he turtled up doesn't mean he was defending himself.

Shields is a very boring fighter, albeit an very effecting one. The ratings showed he actually drove away viewers during his match.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:55 PM

Definately not an early stoppage. Rogers was out. Just because he turtled up doesn't mean he was defending himself.

Shields is a very boring fighter, albeit an very effecting one. The ratings showed he actually drove away viewers during his match.


Exactly, when you go in the fetal position you are not intelligently defending yourself. :applause:


Shields did what he needed to do to get the job done albeit, it was very boring.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:08 PM

um what??? There is no way in hell that stoppage was early. That punch would've stopped a Mack Truck.


Completely agree. Anybody who watches the gif that was posted on the last page should notice that Rogers head snapped back to the mat. You don't do that if you're aware of what's going on. That wasn't one of those "flurry of punches while the guy is blocking, none of which land" stoppages. Rogers had his world rocked and his nervous system temporarily shut down, lol.

Shields is a very boring fighter, albeit an very effecting one. The ratings showed he actually drove away viewers during his match.


Haha, also agree. This is why my opinion of wrestling is so split. Like many, I think it's one of the best bases to build from. But if all you have is wrestling (yes, Shields has some BJJ, but he clearly wasn't confident enough to use it against Miller...and he really didn't go for any GnP), it's just a waste.

In all honesty, the ref never should have allowed that clinch with your legs bullshit. Clearly, there's no way you're going to advance your position from that, and you should get stood up immediately. I love guys who are good on the ground. I enjoy the hell out of some good BJJ. And I can appreciate dominant wrestlers with good GnP. But if you're just going to take a guy down and hold onto him, you shouldn't be fighting on the main card.

#2084 moojuice

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:33 PM

I agree with every who says that Shields didn't really do much. Sure, he brought Miller down the ground, but to do what? In most of the rounds, he had Miller sitting up against the cage, legs wrapped up, head and shoulders dug in to Miller's torso. What was he hoping to do? Suffocate Miller? In the first round, it looked like Miller even kinda shrugged at one point, like "O.K, I can't move. Shields isn't doing jack. Now what?"

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 05:01 PM

i'm typically against stand-ups, but shields has devised a new tactic that is almost an unbeatable stall.

also the follow-up punches to downed rogers didn't really connect or do any damage. i think this sport is RIFE with early stoppages. if the guy's legs don't go straight he ain't out. many fighters (give the chance) have come back from "fetal" position and went to the next round. rogers wasn't given any chance to pull himself together.

man i can't believe his coaches haven't correct his hands-dropping habit. pathetic.

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 04:06 AM

What the Fuck. Justin Wren just got screwed.

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#2087 TURBO

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 06:24 AM

What the Fuck. Justin Wren just got screwed.

it was a close fight but he lost. he looked more aggressive at times, but he only landed about 2 or 3 punches w/ any power behind them. nelson landed maybe 5 or 6 strong ones.

these guys would all get killed in the UFC imho. one or two might make decent gatekeepers but that's about it. nelso def has talent but his frame is really a 205 frame, he's just got to lose the belly. (i know harder said than done, but he's already in great condition despite the belly so i dont think it would be too hard for him)

ps dana HATES nelson cause he never kissed ass or sucked up to the UFC. he also doesn't hold his tonge about wrongs he sees (like how kimbos whole family & manager got to come to the show and watch his fight; but nobody else could see theirs, even Wessel who's wife had cancer) + he offered him a UFC contract when the IFL went under but wanted him to lose the belly & nelson turned him down. so dana's still bitter. so dont listen to a word dana says when he talks about nelson, its all bitterness.


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Posted 12 November 2009 - 07:05 AM

Oh, I learned a long time ago not to listen to Dana lol. I watched the fight again when it came back on, and it was closer than I thought it was the first time. I still think that it should've gone to a third round, but it was definitely closer than I thought the first time. Also, that gif is pure fucking awesome.

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#2089 paz9x

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 07:44 AM

that gif is fucking awesome, thanks for that.
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Posted 12 November 2009 - 01:34 PM

also the follow-up punches to downed rogers didn't really connect or do any damage. i think this sport is RIFE with early stoppages. if the guy's legs don't go straight he ain't out. many fighters (give the chance) have come back from "fetal" position and went to the next round. rogers wasn't given any chance to pull himself together.


I actually agree with you here. No doubt that was a killer punch, but he did look like he was trying to defend himself after he hit the mat. Now I'm not saying that he would have beat Fedor, but he should have at least gotten the chance to get back up and get knocked down again.:) I actually went to the fight, it was pretty boring except for one or two matches. That and it was actually close to 30 miles outside of Chicago, even though it was supposedly in Chicago.
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Posted 12 November 2009 - 04:09 PM

yeah i figured it'd be in the allstate arena instead of the sears center, but whatever.

paying for live tickets generally isn't going to get you as good of a view as just watching it in HD anyway.

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 02:38 AM

What is everyone's predictions for 105 tomorrow?

Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera: Brandon Vera via TKO
Mike Swick vs Dan Hardy: Swick via Sub
Denis Kang vs Michael Bisping: Denis Kang, hopefully by vicious KO
James Wilks vs Matt Brown: Matt Brown via TKO
Ross Pearson vs Aaron Riley: Aaron Riley via Decision

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#2093 paz9x

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 03:05 AM

What is everyone's predictions for 105 tomorrow?

Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera: Brandon Vera via TKO
Mike Swick vs Dan Hardy: Swick via Sub
Denis Kang vs Michael Bisping: Denis Kang, hopefully by vicious KO
James Wilks vs Matt Brown: Matt Brown via TKO
Ross Pearson vs Aaron Riley: Aaron Riley via Decision


i really hope denis kang murders bisping.
im looking forward to the card its the first card ill watch live in awhile.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 03:19 AM

Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera: Couture by Decision
Mike Swick vs Dan Hardy: Swick by D
Denis Kang vs Michael Bisping: Kang hopefully by Hendo
James Wilks vs Matt Brown: Hope Brown KO but will probably be Wilks by sub
Ross Pearson vs Aaron Riley: Pearson by Decision
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 08:40 AM

i'm typically against stand-ups, but shields has devised a new tactic that is almost an unbeatable stall.

also the follow-up punches to downed rogers didn't really connect or do any damage. i think this sport is RIFE with early stoppages. if the guy's legs don't go straight he ain't out. many fighters (give the chance) have come back from "fetal" position and went to the next round. rogers wasn't given any chance to pull himself together.

man i can't believe his coaches haven't correct his hands-dropping habit. pathetic.

I actually agree with you here. No doubt that was a killer punch, but he did look like he was trying to defend himself after he hit the mat. Now I'm not saying that he would have beat Fedor, but he should have at least gotten the chance to get back up and get knocked down again.:) I actually went to the fight, it was pretty boring except for one or two matches. That and it was actually close to 30 miles outside of Chicago, even though it was supposedly in Chicago.


let me ask you 2 guys a question. have you ever been in a fight where you were trying to KO someone? and gotten KOed?

because unless you've actually been KOed you have no idea what you're talking about. saying something like "if the guy's legs don't go straight he ain't out. " is RIDICULOUS! That has nothing to do w/ being in la-la land. that has to do w/ the brain going haywire because it's bouncing off the skull.

My freshman year in college we had to watch the prof do a vivisection; (it was gross), but he essentially KOs the rat w/ blunt force trauma (so it wont feel what comes next).
What came next was he stuck a needle into a rats brain and scrambled it, so it loses all consciousness & cant feel pain. it's legs and arms go haywire when he does this, but not when it gets knocked unconscious. (this was all so it could be opened up and it's heart observed pumping btw).

It's not even close to true. A KO is when some1 is rendered unconscious and unable to defend themselves intelligently. Curling up in the fetal position w/ your eyes closed is not defending yourself intelligently. Rogers was out on his feet, watch how he hits the canvas, totally limp w/ his head bouncing off the canvas. That is a KO, no doubt about it.

If the ref had the same standards as you most of the fighters KOed would have concussions after the fight.

edit: ok i didn't mean for that to come off as mean spirited. i just get excited about MMA ;)

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 08:53 AM

Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera: 50/50 Couture by GNP or Vera via leg kicks.
Mike Swick vs Dan Hardy: Swick via KO or swickatine
Denis Kang vs Michael Bisping: No idea, it will probably go to decision. Leaning towards kang via sub.
James Wilks vs Matt Brown: Wilks via knees i think.
Ross Pearson vs Aaron Riley: Pearson via war

Paul Taylor vs. John Hathaway: Hathaway via TKO
Terry Etim vs. Shannon Gugerty: if Gugerty can get it to the ground he'll win via sub, otherwise Etim will win on the feet.
Paul Kelly vs. Dennis Siver: Silver via standup war
Andre Winner vs. Roli Delgado: Winner via decision
Matt Riddle vs. Nick Osipczak: Riddle via GNP
Alexander Gustafsson vs. Jared Hamman: no idea, but some1s getting KOed!
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 08:29 PM

http://www.blogtv.co...ianpourrastegar UFC 105 is live now.

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 09:31 PM

Wow, nice showing from Bisping! He looked like a broken fighter in the first round, but he somehow dug deep and remembered how to fight again. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep that killer instinct and intensity going into his next fight.

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 09:42 PM

Yeah seriously Bisping vs Kang was quite the match. The crowd went crazy every time Bisping went back into guard in round 1. Kang was trying to mount too much. Then the dominance in round 2 by Bisping was surprising. The commentary was ridiculous, they had a hard on for Bisping.

Btw all the matches beforehand were full of flying knees. It was like a bunch of Sagats fighting.

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 10:09 PM

Damn, Dan Hardy's got crazy power. I was really pulling for Swick in that one, but he got rocked numerous times. I guess it doesn't really matter though because even though Swick wasn't able to take Hardy down, I can promise you GSP will. I don't know how Mike Swick always looks like the smaller fighter, no matter what weight class he's in. He's only an inch taller than Hardy, but he always looks so damn skinny.