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The reason that I'm voting for Kerry/Edwards this year isn't really because I like them, or because I'm a Democrat (I don't label myself either/or). It's simply because I dislike the way Bush runs this country. While I doubt Kerry being a very good president, I'd much rather him be in there then Bush. I'd vote for someone besides these two, but then my vote wouldn't really count. I'm just curious if anyone else is in the same situation...where you don't really care for Kerry, but you have to vote for him because you hate Bush. I think that it would be pretty shocking to find out just how many people are only voting for Kerry because of this...and not because he's well-suited to be the president.
 
I think that is the way every person who is voting for Kerry is thinking. Kerry will help bring this country closer to socialism. Yippee.
 
i think its the only reason anyone is voting for him too...thats the whole reason for this post...its kinda sad when anyone can run for president and have a good chance of being elected just because a lot of ppl hate the current president

note: im not a political freak....i won't get into political debates....if you yell at me for this post or question me about anything to do with politics, i'll probably just do something mature and say, "eat one".......so please don't bother....
 
[quote name='trustcompany1013']The reason that I'm voting for Kerry/Edwards this year isn't really because I like them, or because I'm a Democrat (I don't label myself either/or). It's simply because I dislike the way Bush runs this country. While I doubt Kerry being a very good president, I'd much rather him be in there then Bush. I'd vote for someone besides these two, but then my vote wouldn't really count. I'm just curious if anyone else is in the same situation...where you don't really care for Kerry, but you have to vote for him because you hate Bush. I think that it would be pretty shocking to find out just how many people are only voting for Kerry because of this...and not because he's well-suited to be the president.[/quote]

I'm sorry... but personally that is a horrible logic. Voting just to remove someone from office and blindly choosing a candidate based solely on the idea that your vote will be diluted of its potential, is truly the antithesis of what the act of voting is really all about. I hope and pray that people would not take such a course; rather, that they choose based on what caliber the people are. I don’t want to swing your vote to Bush, actually Kerry could turn out to be a great president. What I am saying is vote because you feel this person will get the job done, create new economic growth, help those who can not help themselves, and make our nation stronger.

:lol: ***Legion for president*** :lol:
 
[quote name='trustcompany1013']i think its the only reason anyone is voting for him too...thats the whole reason for this post...its kinda sad when anyone can run for president and have a good chance of being elected just because a lot of ppl hate the current president

note: im not a political freak....i won't get into political debates....if you yell at me for this post or question me about anything to do with politics, i'll probably just do something mature and say, "eat one".......so please don't bother....[/quote]

LOL I already know.... :oops:
 
Truthfully, I'm not bother by Bush. He's a little narrow-sighted. I'm bother by Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Tom Ridge, John Ascroft, Mike Powell, and Donald Rumsfield. Karl Rove has enough shit on John McCain to force him from being the Republican Nominee back in 2000. He spooked out John " I can't raise my arms all the way since I was captured fighting for my country while the current president on this list where possibly serving easy guard duty and then brutually fucking tortued for several years" McCain.Cheney use to work under Gerald Ford and Regan, he's also link to Haliburton and tens of thousands of their shares. Tom Ridge only likes to tell us that terrorist can possibly strike at any time. I been living in New York post 9/11, we know that for awhile. We like something a little bit more usuable. John Ashcroft, can't dance, lost to a dead guy and never reveals information when white terrorists plan to destroy america. Colin Powell's son is now chairman of the FCC. The most conservative member of the last five years is in charge of deciding what is allowable on our t.v.s. Fun. Donald Rumsfield may have allowed the concept of torturing enemy combatants to be considered proper American behaviour. We won't know for awhile.

I could care less who is president, presidential power is by all reasons is supposed to be limiting. In fact, it can be considered a figurehead position. Only recently has the president started moving more power underneath him ( enemy combatant status). It his cabinet and the people he chooses to work underneath him, reflect the quality and the progression of his administration. A good Cabinet is what I truly look for. G-Dub has a seriously wack posse behind him. Kerry can easily improve on any one of the people I mentioned in the eyes of America. Damn, all he needs to do is bring back American Ass Kicker #1 Janet Reno back and he owns my vote. Now that was A General Attorney who would fuck with anybody, president included.
 
hey legion...eat one....lol....look at the poll results so far and see for yourself that all of your hoping & praying isn't doing a damn thing....by the way, did i say "eat one" yet? :lol:

note: im not a religious freak....i won't often get into discussions on religion...i actually think that the bible is a load of crap....and if you yell at me for this post or question me about anything to do with religion, i'll probably just do something mature and say, "eat one".......so please don't bother....
 
[quote name='Squirms']I think that is the way every person who is voting for Kerry is thinking. Kerry will help bring this country closer to socialism. Yippee.[/quote]

Meh, Americans' aren't ready for such a thing. You'll have to go to Canada to see that crazy shit in action.
 
[quote name='trustcompany1013']hey legion...eat one....lol....look at the poll results so far and see for yourself that all of your hoping & praying isn't doing a damn thing....by the way, did i say "eat one" yet? :lol: [/quote]

LOL :D
Just throwing my two cents in... 2¢

Still gonna hope and pray too... 8)
 
if you don't like how Bush runs this country and aren't a democrat, i really want to know what your thinking.

Bush has started something and needs to finish it, everyother wartime president stayed in office till the war was over and done with.

to vote for someone simply because you don't want someone else in office is stupid and makes me want to "try" to qoute 'Just In' (pretty sure that's the name, on Spike TV)

"What do you read" "The New York Times"
"Great, i read 3 newspapers, watch 5 hours of cnn a week, read politics agendas and what they want to do, The think that makes this country so great and so awful is that your uneducated vote has as much vaule as my vote that has dozens of hours put into it" (not exact, but close)

Point, your giving loser A the vote because President B isn't In your opinion, not good enough.

How about you vote for canidate C, Raplh Nader.

He sounds alot better than Kerry could ever lie about being.

(note* only those planning on voting for Kerry need apply to vote for Nader, if your voting Bush please continue.)
 
You mean.... Kerry/Edwards would be a good Presidential team is..... losing?

I'm shocked, absolutely shocked that ABB is in the lead on this board.
 
Yes, let's vote for Nader and split the anti-Bush vote again, allowing him to sneak into office for another term. That's a great idea.
 
fireball...eat one....i read the headlines of the baltimore sun, the new york daily news, the new york post, the new york times, the washington times, the wallstreet journal, the racing form, and the washington post every day....if interesting enough, ill open the paper up....i deliver newspapers for a living and get sick of reading the garbage....but while im delivering papers, i have talk radio on...while im home, i have news headlines shoved in my face on tv and on the internet....and while im out and about, i have family, friends, and strangers discussing the daily news to me whether i like it or not....to say that someone is uneducated nowadays means that they close their eyes and ears 24 hrs a day....to say that my vote is uneducated says that you should eat one...so go ahead and do it...eat one
 
[quote name='legion_stxds'][quote name='trustcompany1013']hey legion...eat one....lol....look at the poll results so far and see for yourself that all of your hoping & praying isn't doing a damn thing....by the way, did i say "eat one" yet? :lol: [/quote]

LOL :D
Just throwing my two cents in... 2¢

Still gonna hope and pray too... 8)[/quote]

legion rules!
yeah so some video game website is turning the results that 15 people are voting Kerry, better go sell this story to the newspapers.

"ELECTION RESULTS ALREADY KNOW, THANKS TO 21 PEOPLE ON CAG.COM VOTING IN A POLL IN THEIR POLITICAL FOURMS.

Today 15 people voted Kerry while only 6 voted for not for Kerry. This election is already over.

Yeah right...

Wake up people.

Just wait for the results. I'm praying too. and i know my family is too.
 
I'm not picking on anyone particular in this fourm but my point is other people don't read as much. I live where the newspaper i ever have easy access to is the Dallas Morning News.
I do read The Week, Newsweek, Time, Stuff off msn and other legit sites, like New York times.

Here's another thing, you can't only read Liberal stuff and ignore Republican sources. i've read stuff of Kerry's page and the anti bush sites. you have to get both sides.
 
[quote name='fireball343'][quote name='legion_stxds'][quote name='trustcompany1013']hey legion...eat one....lol....look at the poll results so far and see for yourself that all of your hoping & praying isn't doing a damn thing....by the way, did i say "eat one" yet? :lol: [/quote]

LOL :D
Just throwing my two cents in... 2¢

Still gonna hope and pray too... 8)[/quote]

legion rules!
yeah so some video game website is turning the results that 15 people are voting Kerry, better go sell this story to the newspapers.

"ELECTION RESULTS ALREADY KNOW, THANKS TO 21 PEOPLE ON CAG.COM VOTING IN A POLL IN THEIR POLITICAL FOURMS.

Today 15 people voted Kerry while only 6 voted for not for Kerry. This election is already over.

Yeah right...

Wake up people.

Just wait for the results. I'm praying too. and i know my family is too.[/quote]

you're poking fun at this discussion on "some video game website"...yet you're the one getting all worked up about this....on "some video game website"

-eat one
 
And we all thought the CC sale brought out the worst in people............

Here's a thought, This fourm could ruin this site.
We have such a split of Democrat/Republican and Bush haters/lovers that we get into these arguments.

As long as these wars stay here and we don't hate eachother beacause of political views.
 
[quote name='fireball343']I'm not picking on anyone particular in this fourm but my point is other people don't read as much. I live where the newspaper i ever have easy access to is the Dallas Morning News.
I do read The Week, Newsweek, Time, Stuff off msn and other legit sites, like New York times.

Here's another thing, you can't only read Liberal stuff and ignore Republican sources. i've read stuff of Kerry's page and the anti bush sites. you have to get both sides.[/quote]

Yeah, and why not start at the top for your republican news? http://www.whitehouse.org/
 
[quote name='fireball343']I'm not picking on anyone particular in this fourm but my point is other people don't read as much. I live where the newspaper i ever have easy access to is the Dallas Morning News.
I do read The Week, Newsweek, Time, Stuff off msn and other legit sites, like New York times.

Here's another thing, you can't only read Liberal stuff and ignore Republican sources. i've read stuff of Kerry's page and the anti bush sites. you have to get both sides.[/quote]

its okay, i can't be picked on anyways....this is all in good fun to me....if anyone is catching feelings from ppl that they don't personally know on the internet, then they need to seek some help....seriously
 
[quote name='fireball343']And we all thought the CC sale brought out the worst in people............

Here's a thought, This fourm could ruin this site.
We have such a split of Democrat/Republican and Bush haters/lovers that we get into these arguments.

As long as these wars stay here and we don't hate eachother beacause of political views.[/quote]

Hey...because of their political...of course! I can hate people because of that!
 
Yeah i make the mistake of reading the recent posts on the frontpage, i try to stay out of here for the most part.

Yeah so this is some video game website, big deal, cheapy didn't let that stop him from putting that on here.
 
This poll sucks. I'm not sure that Kerry/Edwards will be the "best presidential team we've ever had" but I do think they will be good AND and can't wait to get Bush out of office.
 
[quote name='fireball343']Yeah i make the mistake of reading the recent posts on the frontpage, i try to stay out of here for the most part.[/quote]

4 posts in 20 minutes isn't trying very hard.
 
[quote name='icruise']This poll sucks. I'm not sure that Kerry/Edwards will be the "best presidential team we've ever had" but I do think they will be good AND and can't wait to get Bush out of office.[/quote]

maybe you're the one who sucks...or eats....so go eat one

isn't one of the options:
you're an idiot.....but i still love you.........you idiot?

i could've swore that was one of the options....you can choose that and call me an idiot because i didnt give you more options.....oh wait, but you don't really love me.....just choose one and shut up or don't choose one and still shut up....
 
[quote name='icruise']This poll sucks. I'm not sure that Kerry/Edwards will be the "best presidential team we've ever had" but I do think they will be good AND and can't wait to get Bush out of office.[/quote]

Well if the current poll hold true Kerry doesn't have a chance. He should be up by at least ten points at this time, instead he is dead even. Michael Dukakis was up by as much as 17 points by this time in 88 against Bush 41, and we all know how that turned out.
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='fireball343']And we all thought the CC sale brought out the worst in people............

Here's a thought, This fourm could ruin this site.
We have such a split of Democrat/Republican and Bush haters/lovers that we get into these arguments.

As long as these wars stay here and we don't hate eachother beacause of political views.[/quote]

Hey...because of their political...of course! I can hate people because of that![/quote]

okay fine by me, i do it too yeah,

i've got to head out, go make sure i'm not missing any Cheap ass deals, while i'm talking cheap ass politics, then i've got to go out for half the day.

i've got this election and the next before i get a vote.
i'm backing bush, not because of any war crap, but because he backs my religous beliefs, that's more important to me than anything.
i'm against gay marriage, against abortion (except if rape), and i'm against the "biggest bunch of crooked liars" running this country.

Why don't we start hearing some political statements by Kerry about what he's going to do, i already learned what bush is going to do watching kerry ads, what's kerry going to do?

i'll be back on CAG at 1 maybe in these fourms but i doubt it.
 
[quote name='fireball343']I'm not picking on anyone particular in this fourm but my point is other people don't read as much. I live where the newspaper i ever have easy access to is the Dallas Morning News.
I do read The Week, Newsweek, Time, Stuff off msn and other legit sites, like New York times.

Here's another thing, you can't only read Liberal stuff and ignore Republican sources. i've read stuff of Kerry's page and the anti bush sites. you have to get both sides.[/quote]

I get an email from President Bush's Re-Election campaign about once a week ( I never signed up for it, so its technically spam, but I like to see what the other half reads). I watch Fox News, which is currently being sued for being so unbalanced.

Everyone feels that the reason other people don't agree with their opinion is because they are legitmately uninformed and ignorant about the issues.

That's not true. I don't agree with you because of my experiences over the last 4 years of my life underneath the current administration. I feel that my life as a whole has declined in value even though I have done alot personally to advance it. I took stock of what things had change, and I saw alot of things were changed by the current administation that I don't agree with. As an american, and as the child of political refugees who fled their home country to a place where their children could be allowed to vote and voice their opinions about the place they live, I fear that we are starting to lose the rights that many, many men and women have died and bled for. I don't have trust in my president's cabinets, sub-ordiantes, and co-workers. They've lost it. I'm going to make what I believe is well-informed choice and select a candiate that I've supported for pretty much the beginning of the run. I may not agree with everything he says, but politics and this country are about compromise. The current president doesn't seem to understand that. He's stated before that It's his vision, his decision, on how america is run. Hell, I still don't like him for what he did to McCain back in 2000. John Mac as president would have been alot better.
 
[quote name='fireball343']against abortion (except if rape), [/quote]

Let me guess, you're against it because it's murder? If it's concepted during rape is the abortion no longer murder?

note: My views on abortion will not be expressed during this or any other online debate in the near future.
 
[quote name='fireball343'][quote name='jmcc'][quote name='fireball343']And we all thought the CC sale brought out the worst in people............

Here's a thought, This fourm could ruin this site.
We have such a split of Democrat/Republican and Bush haters/lovers that we get into these arguments.

As long as these wars stay here and we don't hate eachother beacause of political views.[/quote]

Hey...because of their political...of course! I can hate people because of that![/quote]

okay fine by me, i do it too yeah,

i've got to head out, go make sure i'm not missing any Cheap ass deals, while i'm talking cheap ass politics, then i've got to go out for half the day.

i've got this election and the next before i get a vote.
i'm backing bush, not because of any war crap, but because he backs my religous beliefs, that's more important to me than anything.
i'm against gay marriage, against abortion (except if rape), and i'm against the "biggest bunch of crooked liars" running this country.

Why don't we start hearing some political statements by Kerry about what he's going to do, i already learned what bush is going to do watching kerry ads, what's kerry going to do?

i'll be back on CAG at 1 maybe in these fourms but i doubt it.[/quote]

If you're opposed to abortion for religious reasons you can't accept it in any case, whatsoever. That's goin' to hell talk what you've got up there.
 
[quote name='fireball343']i'm backing bush, not because of any war crap, but because he backs my religous beliefs, that's more important to me than anything.
i'm against gay marriage, against abortion (except if rape), and i'm against the "biggest bunch of crooked liars" running this country.

Why don't we start hearing some political statements by Kerry about what he's going to do, i already learned what bush is going to do watching kerry ads, what's kerry going to do?[/quote]

Religious beliefs? Bush??? Oh, I forgot about the secret book of the Bible where it tells us to wage war and to support the dealth penalty. And to legalize AK-47's. Yeah. That's why my religious beliefs fall in line with Bush's too.

And the last time I checked, all the political ads over the past two months have been:

Kerry's: positive, focusing on him
Bush's: negative, bashing Kerry

Kerry's are positive because the Republican attack machine has been relentless trying to destroy him. Kerry doesn't need to launch negative ads against Bush because there's already enough of that going around (i.e., Fahrenheith 9/11, hollywood, the dailey news stories, etc.)
 
[quote name='"fireball343"']i've got this election and the next before i get a vote.
quote]

I hate arguing mentally with 13 year olds, it's like beating on babies. It should be against the law.
 
[quote name='"Pezdro"'][quote name='fireball343']i've got this election and the next before i get a vote.
quote]

I hate arguing mentally with 13 year olds, it's like beating on babies. It should be against the law.[/quote]

How else are we going to put those babies in their place?!
 
I think someone who knows what it feels like to be counted as a "casualty" will tend to be more diplomatic than a draft dodging war hawk.
 
I've seen plenty of Kerry approved Anti-Bush ads. I've also seen tons of Anti-Bush ads run by many of these Kerry supporting groups such as Moveon. Good way to circumvent campaign finance reform by having these special groups that don't have to follow the law. If the Bushites tried something like this, the left would be screaming how it's unfair.
Regardless, even during all these attacks against the current administration from all sides, thier approval rating is actually rising according to Zogby's.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']I think someone who knows what it feels like to be counted as a "casualty" will tend to be more diplomatic than a draft dodging war hawk.[/quote]

Bush didn't dodge the draft. If it's a choice between a man that served in the Air National Guard, or a man that served in Vietnam, called for a purple heart everytime he got a scratch, admittedly performed war crimes, and was generally disliked by most of his platoon mates, then give me the guy that flew a plane.
 
[quote name='Supernothing'][quote name='fireball343']against abortion (except if rape), [/quote]

Let me guess, you're against it because it's murder? If it's concepted during rape is the abortion no longer murder?

note: My views on abortion will not be expressed during this or any other online debate in the near future.[/quote]

ill express my views on abortion and take the heat....not knowing if they're the same views as yours or not...but i do have the two magic words to 'fend off anyone who tries to yell at me about my beliefs..."eat one"...works everytime

abortion...im very for abortion when it comes to almost any situation...it is the woman's choice...or the couple's choice, but if the woman wants the abortion, then the man should agree due to the fact that he should respect the very hard and very serious decision that she had to make...if a girl is raped, she should be aloud to have an abortion....if a girl isn't brought up well enough to know right from wrong and ends up pregnant, feeling that she needs to have an abortion, she should be aloud to have an abortion....if a girl can't take care of her baby due to her mental status, money status, health status, etc...she should be aloud to have an abortion....there are many reasons abortions are necessary....the only reason that i can think of that an abortion shouldn't be allowed is if it is sickingly done on purpose....if a couple doesn't care if they get pregnant because they'll just have an abortion if it happens....and if a couple tries to get pregnant just so they can have an abortion (some sickos out there would do this, im sure).....other then that, why the hell can't it be the woman's choice?

as for voting for bush because he backs your religious beliefs? thats one of the reasons that i hate the man....im not religious in the slightest bit....i have my own beliefs and i can think for myself....bush is a jesus freak (yes i listen to howard stern) and mixes religion with everything....im not against anybody for their viewpoints or opinions...but enough is enough...you can't run a country and treat ppl fairly and equally when you're narrow-minded (yeah i know, no president is gonna make sure everyone is treated 100% fairly and equally...but this is ridiculous to me)

as for gay marriages, im very much so against gay marriages and gays in general....but you're fighting a battle that you'll never win if you think gays are just gonna disappear....either just avoid 'em, join 'em, or get over it (i myself am avoiding them)
 
[quote name='Squirms'][quote name='Quackzilla']I think someone who knows what it feels like to be counted as a "casualty" will tend to be more diplomatic than a draft dodging war hawk.[/quote]

Bush didn't dodge the draft. If it's a choice between a man that "served" in the Air National Guard, or a man that served in Vietnam, called for a purple heart everytime he got a scratch, admittedly performed war crimes, and was generally disliked by most of his platoon mates, then give me the guy that flew a plane.[/quote]

You forgot the quotes around served up there. Glad to help.
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='Squirms'][quote name='Quackzilla']I think someone who knows what it feels like to be counted as a "casualty" will tend to be more diplomatic than a draft dodging war hawk.[/quote]

Bush didn't dodge the draft. If it's a choice between a man that "served" in the Air National Guard, or a man that "served" in Vietnam, called for a purple heart everytime he got a scratch, admittedly performed war crimes, and was generally disliked by most of his platoon mates, then give me the guy that flew a plane.[/quote]

You forgot the quotes around served up there. Glad to help.[/quote]

Just to make it fair they are now both changed.
 
[quote name='trustcompany1013']
ill express my views on abortion and take the heat....not knowing if they're the same views as yours or not...but i do have the two magic words to 'fend off anyone who tries to yell at me about my beliefs..."eat one"...works everytime
[/quote]

note: I deleted most of his quote to save space....

Again, I'm not gonna voice my side, but it looks as though you believe it is right. And your opinion I respect. It's the people who says it's wrong.... unless(this) or unless(that) whose opinion I do not respect. It's either right or wrong, it can't be both.
 
Did someone say... abortion?

I don't think I have yet seen an exhibited rationale as to why abortion on demand is just a plain ugly fact of life. Now I am against abortion as birth control, I am for keeping it safe and legal. However this is the "ugliest" woman I think I have ever come across and it's completely because of her own words and actions. She would rather keep her "lifestyle" than deal with the consequences of her actions. The following is cut and pasted from the New York Times, I have provided a link but for ease of reading I just decided to post it. You need to be a non-paying subscriber but it's a pain in the ass to set up a NYT account.

I grew up in a working-class family in Pennsylvania not knowing my father. I have never missed not having him. I firmly believe that, but for much of my life I felt that what I probably would have gained was economic security and with that societal security. Growing up with a single mother, I was always buying into the myth that I was going to be seduced in the back of a pickup truck and become pregnant when I was 16. I had friends when I was in school who were helping to rear nieces and nephews, because their siblings, who were not much older, were having babies. I had friends from all over the class spectrum: I saw the nieces and nephews on the one hand and country-club memberships and station wagons on the other. I felt I was in the middle. I had this fear: What would it take for me to just slip?

Now I'm 34. My boyfriend, Peter, and I have been together three years. I'm old enough to presume that I wasn't going to have an easy time becoming pregnant. I was tired of being on the pill, because it made me moody. Before I went off it, Peter and I talked about what would happen if I became pregnant, and we both agreed that we would have the child.

I found out I was having triplets when I went to my obstetrician. The doctor had just finished telling me I was going to have a low-risk pregnancy. She turned on the sonogram machine. There was a long pause, then she said, ''Are you sure you didn't take fertility drugs?'' I said, ''I'm positive.'' Peter and I were very shocked when she said there were three. ''You know, this changes everything,'' she said. ''You'll have to see a specialist.''

My immediate response was, I cannot have triplets. I was not married; I lived in a five-story walk-up in the East Village; I worked freelance; and I would have to go on bed rest in March. I lecture at colleges, and my biggest months are March and April. I would have to give up my main income for the rest of the year. There was a part of me that was sure I could work around that. But it was a matter of, Do I want to?

I looked at Peter and asked the doctor: ''Is it possible to get rid of one of them? Or two of them?'' The obstetrician wasn't an expert in selective reduction, but she knew that with a shot of potassium chloride you could eliminate one or more.

Having felt physically fine up to this point, I got on the subway afterward, and all of a sudden, I felt ill. I didn't want to eat anything. What I was going through seemed like a very unnatural experience. On the subway, Peter asked, ''Shouldn't we consider having triplets?'' And I had this adverse reaction: ''This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say, but I'd have to give up my life.'' Not only would I have to be on bed rest at 20 weeks, I wouldn't be able to fly after 15. I was already at eight weeks. When I found out about the triplets, I felt like: It's not the back of a pickup at 16, but now I'm going to have to move to Staten Island. I'll never leave my house because I'll have to care for these children. I'll have to start shopping only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise. Even in my moments of thinking about having three, I don't think that deep down I was ever considering it.

The specialist called me back at 10 p.m. I had just finished watching a Boston Pops concert at Symphony Hall. As everybody burst into applause, I watched my cellphone vibrating, grabbed it and ran into the lobby. He told me that he does a detailed sonogram before doing a selective reduction to see if one fetus appears to be struggling. The procedure involves a shot of potassium chloride to the heart of the fetus. There are a lot more complications when a woman carries multiples. And so, from the doctor's perspective, it's a matter of trying to save the woman this trauma. After I talked to the specialist, I told Peter, ''That's what I'm going to do.'' He replied, ''What we're going to do.'' He respected what I was going through, but at a certain point, he felt that this was a decision we were making. I agreed.

When we saw the specialist, we found out that I was carrying identical twins and a stand alone. My doctors thought the stand alone was three days older. There was something psychologically comforting about that, since I wanted to have just one. Before the procedure, I was focused on relaxing. But Peter was staring at the sonogram screen thinking: Oh, my gosh, there are three heartbeats. I can't believe we're about to make two disappear. The doctor came in, and then Peter was asked to leave. I said, ''Can Peter stay?'' The doctor said no. I know Peter was offended by that.

Two days after the procedure, smells no longer set me off and I no longer wanted to eat nothing but sour-apple gum. I went on to have a pretty seamless pregnancy. But I had a recurring feeling that this was going to come back and haunt me. Was I going to have a stillbirth or miscarry late in my pregnancy?

I had a boy, and everything is fine. But thinking about becoming pregnant again is terrifying. Am I going to have quintuplets? I would do the same thing if I had triplets again, but if I had twins, I would probably have twins. Then again, I don't know.

This is the absolute height of selfishness and an example of the completely "me" focused American society. There are hundreds of thousands of couples that would have adopted her twins. Meanwhile this ugly woman gets to sit down and tell her son that "I killed your twin brothers or sisters. I wanted to save you from a life growing up on Staten Island and shopping at Costco. Now enjoy your latte and tell your psychiatrist you now have enough survival and edipal issues to deal with for a lifetime."

This is the sickest woman and article I think I've seen on the issue in my lifetime. Funny thing is it's supposed to be emotionally gripping. Instead I hope this woman falls in front of the A train.

New York Times "Lives" Article
 
[quote name='Squirms'][quote name='Quackzilla']I think someone who knows what it feels like to be counted as a "casualty" will tend to be more diplomatic than a draft dodging war hawk.[/quote]

Bush didn't dodge the draft. If it's a choice between a man that served in the Air National Guard, or a man that served in Vietnam, called for a purple heart everytime he got a scratch, admittedly performed war crimes, and was generally disliked by most of his platoon mates, then give me the guy that flew a plane.[/quote]


Kerry protested the war crimes he had seen, he was not involved.

He fought in the Vietnam war while nobody has records of Bush being on base and Bush missed a dental appointment on base (oral hygene is inportant).

Kerry has 3 purple hearts and he was injured three times.
The last purple heart was disputed, but it was given to him anyway, so the "scratch" argument is invalid.


grow up.
 
[quote name='Supernothing'][quote name='trustcompany1013']
ill express my views on abortion and take the heat....not knowing if they're the same views as yours or not...but i do have the two magic words to 'fend off anyone who tries to yell at me about my beliefs..."eat one"...works everytime
[/quote]

note: I deleted most of his quote to save space....

Again, I'm not gonna voice my side, but it looks as though you believe it is right. And your opinion I respect. It's the people who says it's wrong.... unless(this) or unless(that) whose opinion I do not respect. It's either right or wrong, it can't be both.[/quote]

well i believe that it is right....and you respected my opinion...but i did throw in an "unless"....and you said that you don't respect people's opinions when they throw in the "unless"....but my "unless" was for the extreme folks out there....nowadays, you have to throw in an "unless" no matter what, just so you're accurate...because someone will always come up with that "what if...." statement..............anyways, you either understood that thats why i was saying "unless," and thats why you respected my opinion still...or you were afraid of me saying "eat one" to you lol...
 
John Kerry's Purple Hearts

Purple Heart Number One:

The Boston Globe - June 6, 2003 -- Kerry experienced his first intense combat action on Dec. 2, 1968, when he "semi-volunteered for, was semi-drafted" for a risky covert mission in which he essentially was supposed to "flush out" the enemy, using a little Boston Whaler named "Batman." A larger backup craft was called "Robin."

Unfortunately, Robin had engine trouble, and Batman's exit was delayed until the boats could depart in unison. The Batman crew encountered some Viet Cong, engaged in a firefight, and Kerry was slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart on his first day of serious action.

"It was not a very serious wound at all," recalled William Schachte, who oversaw the mission and went on to become a rear admiral.

Purple Heart Number Two:

The Boston Globe - June 6, 2003 -- On Feb. 20, 1969, Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a shrapnel wound in his left thigh. According to a previously unreported Navy report on the battle, a two-boat patrol spotted three men on a riverbank who were wearing black pajamas and running and engaged them in a firefight. While not criticizing this engagement, the Navy report did challenge the decision of unnamed skippers to fire at other "targets of opportunity" in the area.

"Area seemed extremely prosperous and open to psyops action, minimum number of defensive and no offensive bunkers detected," the report said. The naval official who wrote the report concluded: "Future missions in this area should be oriented toward psyops rather than destruction."

The destruction included 40 sampans, 10 hut-style hootches, three bunkers, and 5,000 pounds of rice. The crews from two swift boats had expended more than 14,000 rounds of.50-caliber ammunition. No enemy casualties were reported.

Purple Heart Number Three

The Boston Globe June 6, 2003 --. . . On March 13, 1969, a mine detonated near Kerry's boat, wounding Kerry in the right arm, according to the citation written by [Navy Admiral Elmo "Bud"] Zumwalt. Guerrillas started firing on the boats from the shoreline. Kerry then realized that he had lost overboard a Green Beret who is identified only as "Rassman."
"The man was receiving sniper fire from both banks," according to Kerry's Bronze Star citation from that day. "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lt. Kerry then directed his boat to return and assist the other damaged craft and towed the boat to safety. Lt. Kerry's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the US Naval Service," Zumwalt's citation said.

Home Free:

The Boston Globe June 6, 2003 -- Kerry had been wounded three times and received three Purple Hearts. Asked about the severity of the wounds, Kerry said that one of them cost him about two days of service, and that the other two did not interrupt his duty. "Walking wounded," as Kerry put it. A shrapnel wound in his left arm gave Kerry pain for years. Kerry declined a request from the Globe to sign a waiver authorizing the release of military documents that are covered under the Privacy Act and that might shed more light on the extent of the treatment Kerry needed as a result of the wounds.

"There were an awful lot of Purple Hearts -- from shrapnel, some of those might have been M-40 grenades," said [George] Elliott, Kerry's commanding officer. "The Purple Hearts were coming down in boxes. Kerry, he had three Purple Hearts. None of them took him off duty. Not to belittle it, that was more the rule than the exception."

The Boston Globe - June 6, 2003 -- . . . The National Archives provided the Globe with a Navy "instruction" document that formed the basis for Kerry's request. The instruction, titled 1300.39, says that a Naval officer who requires hospitalization on two separate occasions, or who receives three wounds "regardless of the nature of the wounds," can ask a superior officer to request a reassignment. The instruction makes clear the reassignment is not automatic. It says that the reassignment "will be determined after consideration of his physical classification for duty and on an individual basis."
Because Kerry's wounds were not considered serious, his reassignment appears to have been made on an individual basis.

Moreover, the instruction makes clear that Kerry could have asked that any reassignment be waived.

The bottom line is that Kerry could have remained but he chose to seek an early transfer . . .
 
[quote name='trustcompany1013'][quote name='Supernothing'][quote name='trustcompany1013']
ill express my views on abortion and take the heat....not knowing if they're the same views as yours or not...but i do have the two magic words to 'fend off anyone who tries to yell at me about my beliefs..."eat one"...works everytime
[/quote]

note: I deleted most of his quote to save space....

Again, I'm not gonna voice my side, but it looks as though you believe it is right. And your opinion I respect. It's the people who says it's wrong.... unless(this) or unless(that) whose opinion I do not respect. It's either right or wrong, it can't be both.[/quote]

well i believe that it is right....and you respected my opinion...but i did throw in an "unless"....and you said that you don't respect people's opinions when they throw in the "unless"....but my "unless" was for the extreme folks out there....nowadays, you have to throw in an "unless" no matter what, just so you're accurate...because someone will always come up with that "what if...." statement..............anyways, you either understood that thats why i was saying "unless," and thats why you respected my opinion still...or you were afraid of me saying "eat one" to you lol...[/quote]


excpetions to every rule......
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='Squirms'][quote name='Quackzilla']I think someone who knows what it feels like to be counted as a "casualty" will tend to be more diplomatic than a draft dodging war hawk.[/quote]

Bush didn't dodge the draft. If it's a choice between a man that served in the Air National Guard, or a man that served in Vietnam, called for a purple heart everytime he got a scratch, admittedly performed war crimes, and was generally disliked by most of his platoon mates, then give me the guy that flew a plane.[/quote]


Kerry protested the war crimes he had seen, he was not involved.

He fought in the Vietnam war while nobody has records of Bush being on base and Bush missed a dental appointment on base (oral hygene is inportant).

Kerry has 3 purple hearts and he was injured three times.
The last purple heart was disputed, but it was given to him anyway, so the "scratch" argument is invalid.


grow up.[/quote]

the scratch arguement is bullshit anyways....ppl say that kerry only had scratches? bush didn't even want to get a scratch
 
Well I'm "praying" too. And our "prayers" will be answered because I know that I belive in the right "god".

Get a grip- any higher power diety would not endorse either side. The entire argument "God is on my side" is, and always will be- a supersized self serving load of horse dung.
 
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