Bush Copies Kerry (Today Show Interview)

David85

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We all know about the dumb "We can't wind" statement by Bush and how the people are trying to cover it, and calling us dumb.

Today Matt asked about Iran and if we will do something about them and Bush is like...

"Well we tried for a decade to stop Suddam without war blah blah."

Then he didn't know how many UN things there was, I even know there was 17, he paused, someone prob said in his ear "17 DUMBfuck 17!!!".

He then said something enteresting, he went "Military action is our last choose, not our first". Now I wouldn't care if he said that, but he said something slightly different that was almost exactly the same as Kerry did last week.

This isn't the first time Bush copied Kerry, after the pointless 9-11 review came out Bush didn't want to make the new guy in charge and Kerry did. Bush's poll ratings went down and Kerry's went up and then Bush changed his mind again and did what kerry wanted to do.

So let's see how many more copycat things happen, and how nany flip flops Bush / Cheney and kerry / Edwards do this year.

*A poll will be up later, if I don't throw my computer away.*
 
I know you're emotional when you posted this, but watch those spelling errors, as they really detract from whatever it is you are trying to say.
For example, incorrectly spelling Saddam (you had spelt it "Suddam") really detracts from any point you are trying to make.
 
I can't spell, I know I can't spell, I just don't care about my spelling, there are more important things to worry about than spelling.
 
Not if you are only represented by text, and you hope to speak seriously on serious issues.
It's even worse when key words of critical importance to what you are saying are spelt incorrectly.

I mean really, if you can't spell Saddam correctly, how much faith should anyone really put into what you have to say?
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Spelling only comes easy to you english people.

Elitist assholes.[/quote]

English, eh?
I don't remember moving to London.
 
I was speaking of english as a language.

If you only speak a single language than of course you should have perfect grammar.

But if you speak 2 or more languages than mastering spelling and grammar of the languages that are less important to you becomes a lower priority.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']I was speaking of english as a language.

If you only speak a single language than of course you should have perfect grammar.

But if you speak 2 or more languages than mastering spelling and grammar of the languages that are less important to you becomes a lower priority.[/quote]

That's bull. Proper grammar and spelling are critical to any languages, especially those which you are a non-native speaker of.
Laziness or ignorance is all that improper grammar and lax spelling suggests.
 
Says and individual who only speaks english.

FYI, grammar and spelling are hard.
There are a lot of words to learn.

And thanks to Microsoft, in most applications I can just speak into a microphone and have perfect spelling and grammar automatically written in most languages that use roman based characters.
 
But it does have an effect on how you are perceived, for better or for worse. Typos occur, and I think most people are understanding about that, but sentences like this
"We all know about the dumb "We can't wind" statement by Bush and how the people are trying to cover it, and calling us dumb. "
don't make a lot of sense off the bat, and if you have readers who spend their energy trying to translate what you're saying, your point loses a lot of its impact, and you do lose credibility.

w0w OMFG Bu$h/K$rry is a L0S3R!

Granted, that's sort of a silly example, but it serves to exaggerate the point.

David85: What other languages do you speak/write? Do you just not care about spelling/grammar/phraseology, or are you multilingual? If you're multilingual, that's cool, I wish schools started teaching languages earlier. Ich hatte viel Deutsch vergessen; ich kann nicht Deutsch mehr sprechen viel.

And while I see your point, I would argue it slightly: I would suggest focusing on the language you need to use in the community in which you are trying to be understood.
 
Says and individual who only speaks english.
English is the only language I speak fluently. I speak French and Spanish as well.

FYI, grammar and spelling are hard.
Yes they are, but the constant misuse of them suggests ignorance.
Ignorance accepted on the basis of laziness suggests stupidity.

There are a lot of words to learn.
Which is why you use reference materials, especially when you are new to a language.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Especially since the $ only represents s.

Bu$h is funny (sort of)
K$rry makes no sense. Try K3rry.[/quote]

I had K3rry at first, but thought the $ applied more to him than GWB, since he actually has much more wealth than GWB and Cheney combined.
"We all know about the dumb "We can't wind" statement by Bush and how the people are trying to cover it, and calling us dumb." doesn't make much sense, but somehow my using 'K$rry' is more worthy of correction?

Anyway, actual response to the point?

Grammar and spelling may be hard, and everyone makes mistakes. I know I've made the 'your/you're' typo once or twice, and just now I typed 'type' instead of 'typo.' But when the mistakes overpower the point of the message, it's time to take a minute and think about what one is typing/saying.
 
One or two mistakes is forgivable but that one had more than one or two.

Spelling and grammar are important and hard. But that doesn't mean you should be able to get away with it. Spelling and grammar are auctually easier on the 'net because if you don't know it you can look it up (if you type something into Google for instance, it will give you the correct spelling) and don't have to worry about speed.

Back to the topic: so if two people have the same thoughts or opinions then one must be copying the other?
 
I am sick of all this "flip-flop" crap. It is ok to change your mind, especially if new facts come to light or the situation changes somehow.

If the president makes a decision in 2005, and then needs to change that decision in 2007 (when the world is a different place), should he be called a flip-flopper?
 
[quote name='Backlash']I am sick of all this "flip-flop" crap. It is ok to change your mind, especially if new facts come to light or the situation changes somehow.

If the president makes a decision in 2005, and then needs to change that decision in 2007 (when the world is a different place), should he be called a flip-flopper?[/quote]


Yes because the Bush people have called Kerry a flip flop on issues more than 20 years ago, plus this is kind of important to belive we can win.

I can't spell, and it doesn't matter, if you understand what I'm saying what is the problem?

English is my only language, but I still have trouble with it, so too bad for you.
 
[quote name='Backlash']This is the worst thread hijacking I have seen in a long time. :)[/quote]

But can a thread be hijacked if the original poster is involved in the discussion which changes the topic and flow of the conversation?
 
I can't spell, and it doesn't matter, if you understand what I'm saying what is the problem?

It speaks poorly of your intelligence and automatically taints and draws into question that which you post.
 
I've taken about 2 and 1/2 years of Italian now and can speak it fairly okay as long as I don't try to go too fast, but I'd say my English spelling is still quite good. It's not always great on here because it's a message board and I don't care too much as I never make any important points. I don't think it's too hard to know English grammar/spelling and know a second language. However, if English isn't your native language I can see where it'd be awfully hard then. anyhow I figured I'd add to the thread's change of direction.
 
On a related note, I make many more typos on this board than I do on any other board. Why? Because it's so much harder to see what I'm typing due to the white-on-lime-green or white-on-bright-orange color scheme for the text box.

I like the site's colors, but the post entry form usability could really be improved.
 
[quote name='Cracka']here comes EEEEL NIIINO... which is spanish for.... THE NIIIINO[/quote]

Actually, it means 'the boy' (literally: 'the child', singular, masculin).

I think. I can't find my spanish-english dictionary, I gave up Spanish two years ago.
 
It doesn't matter if you gave up Spanish, this is a language thread now and you MUST know EVERYTHING about EVERY language. :roll:
 
[quote name='JSweeney']I can't spell, and it doesn't matter, if you understand what I'm saying what is the problem?

It speaks poorly of your intelligence and automatically taints and draws into question that which you post.[/quote]

Actually it doesn't necessarily. There are newspaper writers that seem to have typos consistently which annoys me more than anything. It makes me think that proper spelling hasn't been drilled into their editor like it should be. :wink:
Seriously am I the one who think spelling has gone lax in newspaper articles in the last 5 years or more or is it just me?
Anyway, I'm getting off the point here. Just because you consistently spell incorrectly does not mean you're stupid. Some people just have a harder time remembering that stuff sometimes as much as I just distracted from my further point there. Anyway it in no way detracts from your intellectualism. This reminds me of when people are good orators or just have quality speech skills that they're determined to be intelligent which is a wide misnomer. I'd prefer to be challenged more often. :(
Well anyway there ya go.
 
[quote name='"Sarang01"'][quote name='JSweeney']I can't spell, and it doesn't matter, if you understand what I'm saying what is the problem?

It speaks poorly of your intelligence and automatically taints and draws into question that which you post.[/quote]

Actually it doesn't necessarily.
There are newspaper writers that seem to have typos consistently which annoys me more than anything. It makes me think that proper spelling hasn't been drilled into their editor like it should be. :wink:
Seriously am I the one who think spelling has gone lax in newspaper articles in the last 5 years or more or is it just me?

I think the multiple editions, online editions and all of the things newspapers are doing to try to stay relevant cut into the time it takes to polish the writting, and an already innundated copy checker might not be able to get through all of the acticles and such that cross over thier desk in a given period, especially in papers with a morning and afternoon editions. As soon as the morning edition goes of the press, the afternoon edition has to go on... it doesn't leave the time for nitpicking and perfection that existed before.


Anyway, I'm getting off the point here. Just because you consistently spell incorrectly does not mean you're stupid.
No, it suggests ignorance or laziness, both of which can be combatted with effort.

Some people just have a harder time remembering that stuff sometimes as much as I just distracted from my further point there.

That's why we have things like dictionaries and MLA handbooks.
Very few people actually know how to write perfectly on thier own, but with those tools they polish and clean thier writting so that it reflects well upon them.

Anyway it in no way detracts from your intellectualism.
It detracts from the perception of it by others. You could be brilliant, but if your written documents are a jumble of nonsense, poor grammar and ridiculous spelling, people aren't going to give it the same respect immediately. Ideas do overpower presentation, but they must first reach a critical mass of brilliance... stupid ideas lost in a sea of spelling errors and grammatical faux pas just gets laughed at.

This reminds me of when people are good orators or just have quality speech skills that they're determined to be intelligent which is a wide misnomer. I'd prefer to be challenged more often. :(

Perception is a powerful thing. You either use it to your advantage or you don't. Of course, to not use it to your advantage is folly.
 
There is no spell check here, editors should at least have at least some spell checker.

It's here, talking to you people and most of you don't understand the Government or how things work, and have never read one word of the Constitution so my spelling really doesn't matter.
 
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