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Online Gaming = Death of the Hardcore Gamer; (1st post from an angry hardcore gamer)

Posted by camnron, 15 July 2009 · 113 views

Since im fairly new to this site, allow me to introduce myself. My name Is Josh, and I consider myself a "hardcore gamer". Or, as most online gamers are now calling us "campaign whores".

I am going to use this new phrase to prove that Online Gaming (w/ the help of xbox/xbox360) is killing gaming.

when i think of a hardcore gamer I think of a few things about games first

  • EXP aka "Experience Points"
  • Boss Fights
  • Gameplay
  • Items/powerups
  • Level design/platforming
  • Story
  • Originality
most of these things only typically come in single player form, which brings me back to that term "campaign whore". Since when did it stop being fun to play games by yourself?? The hardcore gamer is one who doesnt need Co-op, deathmatch, rankings, achievement points, or otherwise. Since when do I determine a games value based on its multiplayer functions? Since when do I buy a game never to play or beat its "campaign" mode?

SINCE THE XBOX AND XBOX360 HAVE TURNED GAMING INTO A SOCIAL NETWORK THAT YOU ARE ALL BEING TRICKED INTO PAYING FOR!

No offense to those who might fit into this category, but microsoft is taking advantage of the gaming stereotype that all of us are boring,fat, slobs with no social lives so they make us pay good money to meet new people we can play games with. Isnt that the point of real life? Meet new people to have fun with? I mean, how many of you have gotten any use out of that 2nd controller you bought on launch day when you instead can distance yourself from reality by killing hoardes of diseased alien zombies while nude in the privacy of your own home?

Why do I need an avatar? Why do I need to pay $ to play games with my friends? For what is basically a pc gaming machine, $50 a year for online gaming is rediculous condidering it was better, and FREE on PC!

I blame all of this on the success of FPS games on this console. I personally dont understand how people can build a game collection on COD4, COD5, Halo 1.2.3, Ghost Recon, Rainbow 6, etc. Dont get me wrong these are all good games in their own respect, but if not for multiplayer these games would not even be worth mention. The replay value of the campaign mode of these titles is mediocre at best.

none of these titles would win an award for originality, I mean heck, they are all FPS games. The genre alone is more dead than michael jacksons nose. The most overplayed story lines, redundant control schemes, and they all have the same selling point......ONLINE GAMING!

trying to convince us that in order for games to be fun we need to network with everyone else playing? PLEASE. This is just because your development team is lacking and your BOT AI sucks. You cant build a stable game that is fun to play alone so you rely on the enhancements to gaming that we all enjoyed on a PC when it was free, but instead raping our wallets by charging twice as much as a PC game for the software, as well as charging yearly just for the experience alone.


This is why I enjoy my ps3. More games for us "campaign whores" to enjoy without all the garbage that microsoft spews at us and convinces all of the "casual gamers" who make up its fanbase that we need. I dont need to talk to upto 8 people at the same time while im playing a video game.
INFACT, I dont want to talk to anyone while im playing a video game!

I will enjoy Valkyria Chronicles, Uncharted, Dead Space (although not exclusive, built specifically for the Cell Processor), Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet, Lair, Folklore, and Infamous far more on MY CONSOLE than anything I have ever enjoyed on the XBOX360 when I owned one (sans dead rising). Although Little Big Planet is built on its online features, The features themselves other than the official DLC ARE FREE!

I personally owned an Xbox360 at launch, and after realizing all the money I poured into a PC gaming machine could have bought me my shiny new BLURAY COMPATIBLE PS3 I quickly put my spending habbits to a halt.

I will admit what all the 360 gamers want me to admit. 360 has superior online gaming, but this just makes gaming worse.



-Josh
"Campaign Whore"




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camnron
Jul 15 2009 03:36 PM
Since im fairly new to this site, allow me to introduce myself. My name Is Josh, and I consider myself a "hardcore gamer". Or, as most online gamers are now calling us "campaign whores".

I am going to use this new phrase to prove that Online Gaming (w/ the help of xbox/xbox360) is killing gaming.

when i think of a hardcore gamer I think of a few things about games first

  • EXP aka "Experience Points"
  • Boss Fights
  • Gameplay
  • Items/powerups
  • Level design/platforming
  • Story
  • Originality
most of these things only typically come in single player form, which brings me back to that term "campaign whore". Since when did it stop being fun to play games by yourself?? The hardcore gamer is one who doesnt need Co-op, deathmatch, rankings, achievement points, or otherwise. Since when do I determine a games value based on its multiplayer functions? Since when do I buy a game never to play or beat its "campaign" mode?

SINCE THE XBOX AND XBOX360 HAVE TURNED GAMING INTO A SOCIAL NETWORK THAT YOU ARE ALL BEING TRICKED INTO PAYING FOR!

No offense to those who might fit into this category, but microsoft is taking advantage of the gaming stereotype that all of us are boring,fat, slobs with no social lives so they make us pay good money to meet new people we can play games with. Isnt that the point of real life? Meet new people to have fun with? I mean, how many of you have gotten any use out of that 2nd controller you bought on launch day when you instead can distance yourself from reality by killing hoardes of diseased alien zombies while nude in the privacy of your own home?

Why do I need an avatar? Why do I need to pay $ to play games with my friends? For what is basically a pc gaming machine, $50 a year for online gaming is rediculous condidering it was better, and FREE on PC!

I blame all of this on the success of FPS games on this console. I personally dont understand how people can build a game collection on COD4, COD5, Halo 1.2.3, Ghost Recon, Rainbow 6, etc. Dont get me wrong these are all good games in their own respect, but if not for multiplayer these games would not even be worth mention. The replay value of the campaign mode of these titles is mediocre at best.

none of these titles would win an award for originality, I mean heck, they are all FPS games. The genre alone is more dead than michael jacksons nose. The most overplayed story lines, redundant control schemes, and they all have the same selling point......ONLINE GAMING!

trying to convince us that in order for games to be fun we need to network with everyone else playing? PLEASE. This is just because your development team is lacking and your BOT AI sucks. You cant build a stable game that is fun to play alone so you rely on the enhancements to gaming that we all enjoyed on a PC when it was free, but instead raping our wallets by charging twice as much as a PC game for the software, as well as charging yearly just for the experience alone.


This is why I enjoy my ps3. More games for us "campaign whores" to enjoy without all the garbage that microsoft spews at us and convinces all of the "casual gamers" who make up its fanbase that we need. I dont need to talk to upto 8 people at the same time while im playing a video game.
INFACT, I dont want to talk to anyone while im playing a video game!

I will enjoy Valkyria Chronicles, Uncharted, Dead Space (although not exclusive, built specifically for the Cell Processor), Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet, Lair, Folklore, and Infamous far more on MY CONSOLE than anything I have ever enjoyed on the XBOX360 when I owned one (sans dead rising). Although Little Big Planet is built on its online features, The features themselves other than the official DLC ARE FREE!

I personally owned an Xbox360 at launch, and after realizing all the money I poured into a PC gaming machine could have bought me my shiny new BLURAY COMPATIBLE PS3 I quickly put my spending habbits to a halt.

I will admit what all the 360 gamers want me to admit. 360 has superior online gaming, but this just makes gaming worse.



-Josh
"Campaign Whore"
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dwhelan
Jul 19 2009 07:49 AM
I am trying to figure out your point, one side you are arguing that Xbox live is a waste of money, but on the other you are arguing that online gaming is killing "hardcore" gaming.

Now I am not going to disagree that there are part of the Xbox live service that should be free such as games with hosts, aka Gears, and general content (demos, trailers, what not) but I also realize there are cost associated with the online service that a company, who’s purpose is to make money, should not shoulder. But, to say online gaming is killing gaming seems a bit short sighted and to specifically bash the Xbox brand, while proclaiming the PS3, make you look like a blithering fanboy. I would also like to point out that railing against Avatars and how they assist in disconnecting from reality but that extolling the virtual of the PS3, where Home is a “complete” virtual world is a bit odd.

A game having a great single player is a wonderful thing, and if there is no multiplayer, that should be told to the consumer up front, but not help against the package. Several of the games you listed (VC, Dead Space, Infamous) are all in the high 80% for aggregate score. I would say they did not suffer because of the lack of single player, much like Bioshock.

But, what I find even more interesting is that you skipped some of the PS3 biggest games. Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 are both first person shooters who charge for content and encourage online coop. They have EXP, Boss Fights, “Gameplay” (agree with Garnett Lee, this word is useless), Level design, & story. The only piece missing is originality and that can be debated. Metal Gear Solid 4 shipped with a whole online game in addition to the single player experience. Burnout Paradise (lead SKU was PS3), online is a simple push of the up arrow on the d-pad for online play. Do these not also infuriate? Do these not want to make you drop your controller is rage and go back to the days where you had no access. To be honest, I would find it hard for you to touch the XMB, because of all the online features Sony is shoving down your throat the moment you turn on the machine.

Online play has nothing to do with lazy development teams and gamer stereotypes. We as gamers have voted with our dollars, and I for one, appreciate it. I moved to Canada to make games, and with the connectivity, I was still able to play with my friends from school. We played through the streets of Paradise on PS3, I chainsawed a few of them on Sera in Gears of War 2, and even got hit with a blue shell in Mario Kart for the Wii. A generation ago, my options would have been limited, before that I would have had to rely on third parties.

The other thing I find funny, is that of the games that merited followup, their sequels are including an online component. Valkryia Chronicles 2 will support Ad Hoc mode on the PSP, Uncharted 2 just finished up the multiplayer beta. EA has confirmed that Dead Space 2 will have some online component, but nothing further and Little Big Planet, well no need to talk about that online component.

So yeah, I congratulate you on having a PS3 and feel sorry that your short sightedness will stop you from enjoying games on other consoles. I will leave you with one question, are you sure you should be concerned with the stereotype of lazy gamers and not more with the stereotype of the fanboy?

P.S. Xbox 360 was the lead SKU for dead space up until March 2008, where they transitioned to PS3 to optimize the code to run smoothly on the cell processor. This is not a dig against the Cell, but more against the last minute addition of an Nvidia graphics chip, which was essentially juryrigged onto the system after graphics development on separate cores was proving difficult for second and third parties.

Sources for dead space info: http://ve3d.ign.com/...o-Gimps-Allowed
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camnron
Jul 19 2009 03:28 PM
well if your still trying to get my point you must not have fully read the blog. My reasoning for knocking the xbox/360 is that it seems with that system that in order to maximize the consoles experience you HAVE TO PAY to play online. Most games for these systems (other than mass effect, dead rising, and blue dragon) are pretty much pointless unless you have online. my argument that 360 is helping this trend of the death of hardcore gaming is that they are starting to make us gamers pay for things that we have always enjoyed for free,ONLINE GAMING. Online gaming should only be an enhancement of the game itself and not its central core unless it is an MMO. I didnt use killzone 2 as an example because the game is built and meant to be played first as a single player app. If you dont believe me you must not have played or beaten it. Why else would they eliminate its main control point in multiplayer (cover system)?

I have owned every system ever released except a jaguar. I dont have any loyalty to any manufacturer other than nintendo. Nintendo are the ones who are truly saving gaming with innovation.

home is a completely seperate application from anything else you do online. it has nothing to do with your online experience with friends. my friends dont see my home character when they look at my psn profile, i dont even use home. never have, never will. its there. its free, and just like the xbox avatars it serves no purpose.

my point is exactly what the title states. Online gaming, and those who rape and pilage the idea of online gaming, are killing the experience for hardcore gamers. microsoft is notorious for charging us for the stuff everyone else has already given us for free.

xbox is basically just a premium pc gaming machine.
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camnron
Jul 19 2009 03:29 PM
p.s - online gaming is also better IMO on the ps3 because sony gives total control to the developers to manage and handle their servers, thus making it free! The potential for originality is much greater in this in that its most like pc gaming. there are no restrictions when it comes to what can or cannot be done on the console.
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dwhelan
Jul 20 2009 11:15 PM
I am going to start with your P.S. and work my way back.

Xbox Live is a matching service, developers do not host servers, publisher do in both the Xbox and PS3 services. While it might not be obvious, there are two rather large examples -- 1) when EA decided to turn off the dedicated servers for older sports games and 2) the debacle that occurred with EA not provisioning the correct amount of servers for Battlefield 1943. It has been this way since 2004. The games that do not have hosted servers by third party, I agree the play should be free, but a publisher should not have to pay for the interconnecting pieces (like in game messaging and party chat).

The piece that Microsoft controls is the how now production information (MODs) is introduced into the environment. They do this for two reasons, 1) they have a moral code that meets with their parental controls, but 2) they do not have large system storage for that information. So they do not want Penis level and cannot commit that all users have the space to store those penis levels.
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