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So, our military kills civilians...

Posted by joeboosauce, 06 April 2010 · 902 views

So, this is horrid shit news for today but its just like another episode of a sitcom. People will forget after a day or two. It's not like people (who don't hide their head in the sand) didn't know this goes on with our military. This incident is only out there and known because it was leaked. If you don't know by now, here are sources on this story. Basically, Wikileaks.org released a bombshell of a video depicting US troops opening fire into a crowd of civilians who have no weapons. The "weapons" are the oh so lethal video camera and tripod of journalists on the ground. There was no firefight that the military claimed after their "investigation." The military would not release the video to Reuters who the 2 journalists belonged to. And further, the soldiers shot at a van of people trying to help a wounded man and they shot 30mm rounds into 2 children. Yay USA! If you watch the attitude, especially the end, it reveals a callousness as the soldiers show no remorse. They even laugh and hope that the wounded civilians try to shoot them with the nonexistent gun. And command sanctions this all the way.

Our culture has truly become perverse. We are desensitized to the horrors of war thanks to our gov't, "news" media, and entertainment media. This includes video games. The soldiers really sound like what you would hear playing COD4/5/6/any FPS on XBox Live/PSN. But, isn't this what is needed in to maintain a highly militarized society? One that supports invasions, occupations, covert interventions, death squads/terrorists (El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc), drone bombings, fomenting civil wars in Africa and elsewhere, is the #1 arms supplier to the world, and I could go on and on.

Well, rant over. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts for and against mine or whatever is on your mind. Although, the machine has conditioned us to steer clear of important issues that concern our society and go... play video games?

Here are some sources on this topic:
N.Y. Times, Weekly Standard join in a falsehood By Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com...yths/index.html

Coverage and interview with Wikileaks founder:
http://www.democracy...ape_us_military

Full video:


Brief article:
http://www.thenation...rel=emailNation

US gov't is attempting to shut down Wikileaks
http://www.huffingto...a_b_512050.html

From the Democracy Now interview, I thought this really sums up this incident and our military apparatus in general:

"These are not bad apples. This is standard practice. You can hear it from the tones of the voices of the pilots that this is in fact another day at the office. These pilots have evidently and gunners have evidently become so corrupted, morally corrupted, by the war that they are looking for excuses to kill. That is why you hear this segment, “Come on, buddy! Just pick up a weapon,” when Saeed, one of the Reuters employees, is crawling on the curb. They don’t want him for intelligence value to understand the situation. The man is clearly of no threat whatsoever. He’s prostate on the ground. Everyone else has been killed. They just want an excuse to kill. And it’s some kind of—appears to me to be some kind of video game mentality where they just want to get a high score, get their kill count up. And later on you’ll hear them proudly proclaiming how they killed twelve to fifteen people."






That shit happens man. That's just the reality of "war" and you're dillusional to think that it doesn't. Unless you are one of the men who are brave enough to put your life on the line for this "war" (regardless of if you believe its justified or not), then I don't think its our place to look at an isolated incident and pass such generalized judgements.
@ Shimrra and Spyder:

Your gross generalizations about foreign cultures are akin to someone taking Westboro Baptist Church as an example and saying "SAVAGES! AMERICANS/CHRISTIANS/CATHOLICS ARE SAVAGES!"

@ Shimmra: I'm not offering my opinion, because you'll post a gif of someone tokin a doobie followed by a gif of some black person drinking from a cup. I understand they're in a battlefield. It's understandable if people act different because they're under extreme mental and physical stress. But to think that the video displays nothing wrong is to be brazenly ignorant.
@ Spyder

Cultural relativism, anyone? The things you describe are indeed terrible, but one could also say "you eat meat, ergo you are a savage, since you revel in a selfish pastime which causes immense pain for the animals involved."

I eat meat; my point is, just because a culture does something that appears primitive or inhumane doesn't mean that they're any less human than we are. They're following traditions passed down for who knows how many generations. Yes, these traditions may be pretty abhorrent, but it's not constructive in the least to spew your vitriol all over the place as if it were a Sunday colonic.
It's always disappointing to see how polarizing things like this are. Even though I know I should drop it, I still want to add my 2 cents and address several viewpoints I've seen so far.

First, to the TC. Honestly, it's hard to judge what's going on in a warzone based off a single clip. I've never been in one, but I imagine adrenaline runs high and judgement can be impaired, sometimes with tragic results. Like that quote of yours says, one soldier even tells the fallen person to "pick up a weapon," which would seem to indicate he really believes he has a weapon to pick up and not, say, a camera. The incident should be investigated, and the soldiers involved should be punished, because being a soldier or it being a mistake shouldn't give you a free pass. But I'm not going to write off the entire military based on a single incident, or the armchair commentary from people who weren't there.

If the government is trying to shut down wikileaks (and I wouldn't be surprised if they did. The crazy-ass stuff the CIA did to chase away a flower-seller....), it would be because so many people DO snap judgments and condemn the whole based on a small percentage.

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To the people who keep saying "if you don't like what the country is doing, get out," honestly, that's the wrong course of action and no one's going to do it. I recall Rush Limbaugh offered to leave if ObamaCare was passed, yet he still remains. This country was founded on the idea of "if you don't like what the country is doing, protest and try to change it." That's why we have the freedom to protest, why we have desegregation, and people other than white men have the right to vote. Think of it like a family problem: if you have a brother who does serious drugs, do you try to help and/or stop them, or do you just let them continue to ruin themselves?

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To the people who write off Muslims as savages, read Deuteronomy. Or all the things you can do to get stoned to death. Christianity isn't a whole lot prettier.

Just because their religion says to kill the infidels (and let's not forget the Crusades), doesn't mean most of the people believe or follow it. And if there's been a rise in that opinion, it's more likely because of the bungling that went on in Iraq for so long.

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Finally, the people who judge the entirety of Islam because of 9/11, that's like judging the Catholics based on their child molesters. Or Americans by the KKK. Or the military based on this video.
@ Full Metal XL:

Where did I call the US or military troops "monsters" or "evil?"
@Blaked569 - Again with just criticizing people's opinion. Listen whether I post up a pic is not the point but its the fact that I am giving my own opinion, which if someone gets offended...Oh well. Now either you have nothing to add or you just can't come up with the right words to express what is on your mind.

Its easy to take apart comments, but how about you add something to the conversation brotha?
@ Shimmra

I wrote a bunch of stuff.
Shimraa:

Criticizing is another form of expressing opinion. Unless you're being inconsistent, which blaked569 hasn't been.
Also: War = casualties. Every Country, even the U.S. (gasp) has killed civilians. It SUCKS. But it's not really something you should be SURPRISED about.
@blaked569 - Paraphrasing and double talking is not adding to the conversation.
@Shimrra:

Me: your reasoning is flawed because of _______
You: STOP CRITICIZING, QUIT COMPLAINING, AMERICA OR GTFO
@ Shimmrra

It's kind of hard to discuss this with you; you obviously oppose my viewpoints, which should already be relatively apparent. So I'm attempting to debunk your logic, which, yes, is criticism, but it's more than simply "you're stupid," so please read into it more.
@Blaked569 - Zzzzzzzz you were paraphrasing again LOL. Add to the conversation instead of being that one person in the room that just repeats the last few words of the someone else's discussion.

Come on man I know you can do buddy.
Shimmrra:

To be accurate, blaked569 is accusing YOU of paraphrasing Glen Beck and Fox News.

And double-talk is a way of speaking that results in distorting meaning or gibberish. Like calling 'downsizing' 'rightsizing,' or Palin's farewell speech/poem/whateverthehellitwas.

If you're going to complain of something, use the right terminology.
"Your gross generalizations about foreign cultures are akin to someone taking Westboro Baptist Church as an example and saying "SAVAGES! AMERICANS/CHRISTIANS/CATHOLICS ARE SAVAGES!"
It's understandable if people act different because they're under extreme mental and physical stress. But to think that the video displays nothing wrong is to be brazenly ignorant.



Cultural relativism, anyone? The things you describe are indeed terrible, but one could also say "you eat meat, ergo you are a savage, since you revel in a selfish pastime which causes immense pain for the animals involved."

I eat meat; my point is, just because a culture does something that appears primitive or inhumane doesn't mean that they're any less human than we are. They're following traditions passed down for who knows how many generations. Yes, these traditions may be pretty abhorrent, but it's not constructive in the least to spew your vitriol all over the place as if it were a Sunday colonic.
@ Shimmra

I just copy pasted what I said. Care to retort? I'm not repeating anything, i'm not saying "dum dum get the Fuck out of the US," i'm presenting flaws in your logic.
@Blaked569 - copy pasted what? All you did was copy a criticism you made about someone else's comment.

Instead how about you comment about what the original blogger posted. All you have been doing is just trying to prove everyone wrong and that your logic is infallible. Stop your criticizing the people around you buddy.

Also "dum dum get the Fuck out of the US," its called passion sweetness. Love your country brotha.
Shimmrra:

That's EXACTLY what he did. Criticism IS commenting. And by everyone, you mean you and Spyder.

I don't know what exactly you're looking for from him, but I'm beginning to suspect it's a "I'm sorry, you're right and I'm wrong."

@ Full Metal XL:

Where did I call the US or military troops "monsters" or "evil?"

Sorry, I confused you with joeboosuace that time. Looking back I see he was the one that said it, not you. Oops. :oops:

Just curious, is that small mistake the only problem you have with my statement as a whole? :-s
@Rasen - Dont make excuses for Blaked569 he is old enough to fight his own fights.