Jump to content






- - - - -

I've been ghettoized in an official capacity by CAG

Posted by Chuplayer, 04 March 2011 · 1158 views

Spoiler

For a clickable link: http://sadpanda.us/i...195-0YXUIZX.png

So, this is it. After years of mostly unmoderated hate speech in the comments and the tags, the official decision is to brush me under the rug. (And the one or two mods who did moderate, you know who you are, and you are very good people.) I'll be the first to say, this site has a lot of hateful internet tough guys who, with a little anonymity, are allowed to be all they can be on this site, if being all you can be is measured by being how much of a bigot you can be.

After years of being allowed to be myself on the site, not hurting anybody, I am no longer welcome to be myself publicly. I've got to concede, I appreciated the laissez-faire approach to the community exhibited by the mods. For every five filthy comments, there was one that was nice. Even if it was somebody just acknowledging that they only came to my blog to laugh, I was happy.

I've endured at least two armchair quarterback psychiatrist sociopaths over the years, and you two are the worst of the worst. Spyder187 and Shimrra. You lace your fake attempts to help me with foul-mouthed verbal abuse, and that's horrible. You two are sociopaths, and you two are the ones with problems.

But today I got that private message up there from guinaevere, and I was officially ghettoized. I was upset at first. What complaints might there be that haven't been aired already over the past two years that I've been posting doll blogs? My doll blogs aren't anything new.

Then I remembered gargus's post about the cockroaches and the controversy it stirred up with that one mod, but I didn't remember which mod it was. I verified that it was also guinaevere that modded that topic ( link to the beginning of the conversation about my blog, scroll down some ), and my heart sunk.

My dolls, in guinaevere's eyes, are on the same level as cockroaches when it comes to this site.

That offends me greatly.


So, that's how it is. It's okay for me to be myself, but I've got to wear a mark of shame every time I want to be myself. The mark of the spoiler tag is my mark of shame. That's hardly a compromise. Do you know what a compromise is? My agreeing to keep the number of pictures viewable in the latest blogs page down to two pictures. That was a community compromise, and it served us all well for quite some time.

But now my hobby might as well just be cockroaches. Excuse me, but I don't play that. I refuse to bear a mark of shame just for being myself.

What's next? Will CAGs with red hair and freckles be forced to put "ginger" in their signature so people can filter them out and put them on their ignore list? Will gay CAGs have to have a rainbow for an avatar so people can filter them out and put them on their ignore list? Will Jewish CAGs be required to have a Star of David as their activity icon so people can know if the Jews are online, offline, or invisible?

I've used the word ghettoization before, and all of those examples are examples of ghettoization. I'm not only being discriminated against, but I'm also being put into a special place (read: excluded) because of who I am.

guinaevere, I'm addressing you here right now. You may wonder why I'm making this public. Well, for one thing, I don't like you. You equate my dolls to cockroaches, and then you ghettoize me. That is a disgusting course of action. That being said, I don't have to like you, and you don't have to like me. But I'm also not without reason to dislike your way of handling this situation.

But seeing the numbers of people who find them offensive, they're going to have to be behind spoilers from now on.

Maybe people have to be more courteous around here. You've seen enough hate speech and harassment in the comments. What's worse? My doll blogs or the vile bigots who flock to them?

Spoiler


When the above becomes, in an official capacity, better than an effeminate male (or a perceived effeminate male), the official state of the community is ethically bankrupt.

I'm having to go through them all and put every doll picture behind a spoiler... Anyway, from here on in, you're going to have to put every doll picture behind a spoiler.

guinaevere, I have to agree with gargus that you treated him and the situation poorly. You did kind of rectify this by sending me a PM (partially quoted above), but then again, look at the previous quote! It was public! From that cockroach topic! Saying mostly the same thing! The PM was little more than a formality, and it was in no way an improvement on the situation. Now, I'm not too bent out of shape about you dragging the ghettoization of my blog in the mud for the whole world to see, but the fact that you're giving me that edict at all is offensive in and of itself!

You're looking for a whipping boy! A scapegoat! An easy way out! Instead of dealing with the grime and bigotry, you're blaming it on the innocent one. Why is this? I don't know. You obviously didn't care about blog before. For two years, you didn't even know it existed. Look at this quote. You look at it good.

Funny how chu's doll pics are offensive to some yet they aren't spoilered.

Not sure what those are? Is there a thread about them, I've never seen a report on this.

Really? Excuse me, but you are a damn fool. This is like a huge tree falling in your front lawn and you not noticing it for two years. The entire neighborhood was talking about it for two years, and you were completely oblivious. Then you evict the guy down the road who had nothing to do with it but nobody likes because he likes dolls but you were also oblivious to that.

Here I was thinking that I was welcome and accepted, and now I've got an inattentive mod telling me that I was only allowed to feel like a part of the community for this long because she was too lazy to notice. That is foolish, ridiculous, and heartbreaking.

Now, you may be wondering where I intend to go from here. For one thing, I'm definitely not going to be leaving this place just because of guinaevere. I intend to ride this nuke all the way into history.

I've already deleted most of my blogs. There is officially no place for them here anymore. It's like guinaevere was trying to place me in one of those special gay kids' schools which were created so the gay kids could go to school and not get bullied. Those schools are essentially official ghettoization of gay people. Some gay kids hate those schools because of that fact and would rather get beaten up in regular school. Now, I'm not going to be getting on guinaevere's nerves by posting unspoilered pics since I'm no longer going to be posting doll stuff here, and I'm not going to be publicly ghettoize myself by posting spoilered doll blogs.

Excuse me, but I'd rather go thirsty until I get home than publicly drink from that crappy water fountain built for less desirable folk than myself.

Even though this community is officially ethically bankrupt, I like some of the conversation. I'll definitely be sticking around for the wrestling topic. Deals are deals, and I intend to keep on keeping an eye on them. This site certainly has its merits.

If I get banned for this public complaint, then I hope the handful of good, ethical members of this site speak up against it. I'll quote one of my favorite bits of prose and let you figure out why you should care.

First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.





Spoiler

For a clickable link: http://sadpanda.us/i...195-0YXUIZX.png

So, this is it. After years of mostly unmoderated hate speech in the comments and the tags, the official decision is to brush me under the rug. (And the one or two mods who did moderate, you know who you are, and you are very good people.) I'll be the first to say, this site has a lot of hateful internet tough guys who, with a little anonymity, are allowed to be all they can be on this site, if being all you can be is measured by being how much of a bigot you can be.

After years of being allowed to be myself on the site, not hurting anybody, I am no longer welcome to be myself publicly. I've got to concede, I appreciated the laissez-faire approach to the community exhibited by the mods. For every five filthy comments, there was one that was nice. Even if it was somebody just acknowledging that they only came to my blog to laugh, I was happy.

I've endured at least two armchair quarterback psychiatrist sociopaths over the years, and you two are the worst of the worst. Spyder187 and Shimrra. You lace your fake attempts to help me with foul-mouthed verbal abuse, and that's horrible. You two are sociopaths, and you two are the ones with problems.

But today I got that private message up there from guinaevere, and I was officially ghettoized. I was upset at first. What complaints might there be that haven't been aired already over the past two years that I've been posting doll blogs? My doll blogs aren't anything new.

Then I remembered gargus's post about the cockroaches and the controversy it stirred up with that one mod, but I didn't remember which mod it was. I verified that it was also guinaevere that modded that topic ( link to the beginning of the conversation about my blog, scroll down some ), and my heart sunk.

My dolls, in guinaevere's eyes, are on the same level as cockroaches when it comes to this site.

That offends me greatly.


So, that's how it is. It's okay for me to be myself, but I've got to wear a mark of shame every time I want to be myself. The mark of the spoiler tag is my mark of shame. That's hardly a compromise. Do you know what a compromise is? My agreeing to keep the number of pictures viewable in the latest blogs page down to two pictures. That was a community compromise, and it served us all well for quite some time.

But now my hobby might as well just be cockroaches. Excuse me, but I don't play that. I refuse to bear a mark of shame just for being myself.

What's next? Will CAGs with red hair and freckles be forced to put "ginger" in their signature so people can filter them out and put them on their ignore list? Will gay CAGs have to have a rainbow for an avatar so people can filter them out and put them on their ignore list? Will Jewish CAGs be required to have a Star of David as their activity icon so people can know if the Jews are online, offline, or invisible?

I've used the word ghettoization before, and all of those examples are examples of ghettoization. I'm not only being discriminated against, but I'm also being put into a special place (read: excluded) because of who I am.

guinaevere, I'm addressing you here right now. You may wonder why I'm making this public. Well, for one thing, I don't like you. You equate my dolls to cockroaches, and then you ghettoize me. That is a disgusting course of action. That being said, I don't have to like you, and you don't have to like me. But I'm also not without reason to dislike your way of handling this situation.

But seeing the numbers of people who find them offensive, they're going to have to be behind spoilers from now on.

Maybe people have to be more courteous around here. You've seen enough hate speech and harassment in the comments. What's worse? My doll blogs or the vile bigots who flock to them?

Spoiler


When the above becomes, in an official capacity, better than an effeminate male (or a perceived effeminate male), the official state of the community is ethically bankrupt.

I'm having to go through them all and put every doll picture behind a spoiler... Anyway, from here on in, you're going to have to put every doll picture behind a spoiler.

guinaevere, I have to agree with gargus that you treated him and the situation poorly. You did kind of rectify this by sending me a PM (partially quoted above), but then again, look at the previous quote! It was public! From that cockroach topic! Saying mostly the same thing! The PM was little more than a formality, and it was in no way an improvement on the situation. Now, I'm not too bent out of shape about you dragging the ghettoization of my blog in the mud for the whole world to see, but the fact that you're giving me that edict at all is offensive in and of itself!

You're looking for a whipping boy! A scapegoat! An easy way out! Instead of dealing with the grime and bigotry, you're blaming it on the innocent one. Why is this? I don't know. You obviously didn't care about blog before. For two years, you didn't even know it existed. Look at this quote. You look at it good.

Funny how chu's doll pics are offensive to some yet they aren't spoilered.

Not sure what those are? Is there a thread about them, I've never seen a report on this.

Really? Excuse me, but you are a damn fool. This is like a huge tree falling in your front lawn and you not noticing it for two years. The entire neighborhood was talking about it for two years, and you were completely oblivious. Then you evict the guy down the road who had nothing to do with it but nobody likes because he likes dolls but you were also oblivious to that.

Here I was thinking that I was welcome and accepted, and now I've got an inattentive mod telling me that I was only allowed to feel like a part of the community for this long because she was too lazy to notice. That is foolish, ridiculous, and heartbreaking.

Now, you may be wondering where I intend to go from here. For one thing, I'm definitely not going to be leaving this place just because of guinaevere. I intend to ride this nuke all the way into history.

I've already deleted most of my blogs. There is officially no place for them here anymore. It's like guinaevere was trying to place me in one of those special gay kids' schools which were created so the gay kids could go to school and not get bullied. Those schools are essentially official ghettoization of gay people. Some gay kids hate those schools because of that fact and would rather get beaten up in regular school. Now, I'm not going to be getting on guinaevere's nerves by posting unspoilered pics since I'm no longer going to be posting doll stuff here, and I'm not going to be publicly ghettoize myself by posting spoilered doll blogs.

Excuse me, but I'd rather go thirsty until I get home than publicly drink from that crappy water fountain built for less desirable folk than myself.

Even though this community is officially ethically bankrupt, I like some of the conversation. I'll definitely be sticking around for the wrestling topic. Deals are deals, and I intend to keep on keeping an eye on them. This site certainly has its merits.

If I get banned for this public complaint, then I hope the handful of good, ethical members of this site speak up against it. I'll quote one of my favorite bits of prose and let you figure out why you should care.

First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Hm, well I wouldn't put your dolls on the level of cockroaches. Both were creepy, mind you, but the dolls weren't disgusting in any sense.

And the moderator who signed herself as Gwen was the person with the issue of having the cockroach pictures posted without spoilers. Yet, she stated that she doesn't believe the doll pictures are inappropriate.

I don't believe that the pictures of previous blogs had to be hidden. But I do believe you've gone a bit overboard with deleting them.

Cheers to whatever you decide to do from here.
But the dolls are in the same category as the filthy, filthy, disgusting cockroaches. Their spoilerization stemmed from the same incident. That's what I despise.

Ah, but the pics are officially inappropriate! They need to be spoilered! That's a firm rule now!

I believe it was going overboard to ghettoize my dolls.

You know what I'm doing from here.
TLDR:

Does this mean no more creepy doll blogs?
Chuplayer NOOOOOO!!!! I loved your doll blogs! Down with the mods! I'm behind you 100% of the way Chuplayer!
as the president of the girthy society i declare we are in support of your movement
As someone who has read some of your blogs, as guinavere said:
"(why do the same people keep going to his blogs if they find them so offensive? Really?)"
It's unfortunate how people treat others in the real world, and it only gets worse on the internet.
mission42, it looks to be that way.

EarthBound Sucks, thank you for your support. You know I appreciate it.

darkslime, um, thanks?

gravel, I agree. But ghettoizing me was not the right answer.
All this because you have to spoiler tag??
BOOOOO!!! That's ridiculous.
Yeah, I wasn't saying I agree with the decision. I was just pointing out that the mod didn't seem to be for it either. Of course, that isn't any real condolence on the situation.
Wow. It may not be a hobby I would consider, but as a poet I am ALWAYS against censorship (unless you are directly hurting someone). I'm really sorry to see censorship as the solution to this. Personally, I wouldn't take your stuff down, because then they get exactly what they wanted. But I understand your frustration. Sorry to see it come to this.
Drama queen much? People who like your dolls will still read your blog regardless of whether the pictures are behind spoiler tags or not.
I'll say this - I've given you crap. At first, it was because I was a bit terrified, but after that, I hope you knew I was being sarcastic and just poking fun. I will admit at first, what I said was offensive and meant to be a little offensive, but afterwards, I hope you understand it was just me giving you crap.

I found the problem of Gargus to be unfair on both sides. His picture was spoilered because she couldn't handle cockroaches. Gargus unspoilered his image because he felt it wasn't offensive or anything, which I do agree with. Him doing that multiple times, I understand why they were upset. But, again, the picture wasn't offensive at all. A little gross, but the image had to be put behind spoilers because a mod didn't like it. That's the only reason.

Although I don't agree with her putting your images behind spoilers, the community has asked you nicely and, more often than not (at least 95% of the time,) pretty unfairly and disgustingly. When I see people accuse you of being the guy who is going to touch children, that's horrible and unfair. Sure, your hobby is taboo to us here, and I don't even know how you can spend $400 on a doll, but I don't care.

Almost everybody has asked for you to put your pictures behind spoilers. The main reason is for people to not have to see, but sometimes the main blog feed can get a bit lengthy if people have tons of pictures up. Whatever, I don't support anybody having to spoiler their shit unless it's 100% offensive. Your dolls weren't, Gargus' image wasn't.
i thought this blog was going to be about a white person listening to hip-hop and wearing baggy clothes. I need to brush up on my vocabulary
It seems as if the different between right and wrong is majority. Which is total bullshit but that's how society works. I know I've commented on your blogs before and although I wouldn't use the word "creepy" persay, I just wonder what the actual purpose and intent is of having such a love for fake things as well as taking pictures of them. Also, the spoiler tag is pointless. Your titles always indicate what kind of images will be displayed, so why click the damn Blog post if you don't want to see pictures of dolls? That, to me, makes no sense.
Alex, yes.

Pyloric, I agree. Thank you.

kburns10, I am 100% against censorship. Well, maybe 99%. I do have my very few exceptions. Those Westboro tools for one. I took all of my stuff down because it's not exactly giving them what they wanted. They wanted me to ghettoize my hobby. I refused to exclude myself by not including myself in the first place. I have to admit, it took a few minutes to think up that course of action, but it is the best in my mind. Thank you for your support.

DarkZion, you know my thoughs on this. Ghettoization, etc.

Vulgarism, if the main blog page is getting so bogged down by pictures, then why am I the only one who has to suffer for it? I already explained the community compromise I made by keeping it down to two or three pictures to help alleviate the excess of pictures on the main blog page and to cut down on scrolling.down to two. I have done that for quite some time. People mainly clamored to spoiler my doll pictures because they didn't like dolls. I might not like them, but I don't ask them to spoiler their existence from my eyes.

urmomlikesme, read a book.
crushtopher, I agree. It's not like people wouldn't be going out of their way to continue to be vile bigots regardless of spoiler tags. They already did it well enough to begin with.
I think you missed the main point. I don't agree with your images getting spoilered because of what happened with Gargus. I think the entire thing is a bit dumb, but I guess that's just how it is gonna be from now on. I'm sorry for what you've had to go through, but you know what they say.... "Internet is serious business..."
This all does seem kind of silly. Just because someone is uncomfortable with an image that is in no way in inappropriate does not seem like a reason to spoiler something. Sometimes being forced to acknowledge interests that are different from your own is good for you. Sure this blog made some people uncomfortable, but isn't it likely that the word "ass" in the title of the site makes some people uncomfortable? A clear and well defined line is what is needed here at CAG, not the arbitrary comfort levels of the mods.