Lack of RPG Initiative

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With a lack of RPG's on the PS3 out currently and in the near future we thought we as a RPG community should be heard and let it be known that we want them.
Lack of RPG Initiative
Refer to this thread and please sign the petition, it may not do anything but we can at least try. Our goal is to at the very least get our qualms heard and validated. You won't lose anything more than 2 minutes of your life maybe less, so go on. It's for a good cause.
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Lol, I made a very long post at PSU over that.

I'll try to explain a few things to you.

The Super Nintendo was the RPG king, but what RPGs did the N64 have? Pretty much all the RPGs were on PlayStation and Saturn. RPGs don't always align with the same console company, ever.

I've said this many times, part of what helped MS is they released 360 development kits at a perfect time, before Sony got out to these developers. They gave Tales Studio, Tri-Cresendo, Tri-Ace, etc. development kits just as they finished their previous RPGs (or Tri-Cresendo about started to make their first independently developed RPG). These devs had a choice of developing on PS2 or 360. Since many were already sick of developing on PS2, they went 360. Since the 360 wasn't out, they couldn't tell if it was going to be a success or failure. So they went ahead and made 360 projects. Mistwalker was already planning on making games for Xbox platforms since he was planning that all along (partially because of his shaky relationship with people at Sony). MS did heavily fund Infinite Indiscovery initially (Tri-Ace RPG), but then handed publishing to Square Enix (figuring they could probably sell more). As much as I don't want to believe this, I honestly won't be surprised if Star Ocean 4 ends up on 360, since Tri-Ace's next gen engine was made on 360 (and there was talk they had another 360 RPG coming due to a job posting). But basically, what helped MS a lot was coming in early. Most every time in Japan, the console which comes first, will always get some decent RPGs (despite the Dreamcast not lasting long, it even got a few decent RPGs due to being first). I also think that MS probably paid these devs too to keep these RPGs on 360 (at least as a timed exclusive), like for ToV.

Devs like Idea Factory though, they make RPGs for just about everything (mediocre ones too). They've released around 2 PS3 RPGs (have a few in development, one is Cross Edge), 2-3 360 RPGs, and in the past, they even released an Xbox RPG unlike most.

As for Sony, I'll just basically say during the PS1 era, they were pretty big RPG developers. The had G-Craft making Arc The Lad (big success in Japan), PoPoLoCrois (sold well), Wild Arms by Media Vision (sold well), Alundra by Matrix Software (sold good I believe), Legend of Dragoon (performed excellent worldwide), Legend of Legaia (by Contrail and sold good) Beyond the Beyond by Camelot (not sure how it did), and so on.

However, during the PS2 era, many of these series did not carry on with the sales. Legend of Dragoon team is no longer together (I remember a few of its devs were apart of MS Japan, but then it disbanded and is kind of AQ now). PoPoLoCrois, Legaia, Matrix software's PS2 RPG Dual Hearts, Arc The Lad games on PS2 (made by Cattle Call instead, since G-Craft is absorbed in Square Enix making Front Mission games), Legaia 2, etc. all performed pretty bad (where they may have lost money in development due to pretty bad sales). New RPGs they tried to make like Tsugunai, Okage The Shadow King, etc. bombed badly too. Their only successes came from Level 5 (well, not really huge success since Rogue Galaxy and Dark Cloud 2 sold less than expected, but still did pretty good overall) and somewhat Wild Arms (the series dropped in sales, but still did solid). Many of the devs Sony worked with, like Matrix Software, are elsewhere (Matrix is working on remaking FF games on DS for Square Enix, I have no idea where Contrail and Cattle Call are now), and Camelot is Nintendo exclusive basically. So mostly, Sony themselves just stick to Level 5 RPGs and Wild Arms. They do have Game Republic (who made Folklore on PS3 and Brave Story on PSP) and Gaia (who made Monster Kingdom and Coded Soul. Made up of the original SMT creator), but their traditional RPGs have gone to PSP (and future projects may stick to PSP). Media Vision (makers of Wild Arms) just finished Wild Arms 5 around the same time PS3 came out in Japan (they released another PS2 Wild Arms so it would happen around the 10th Anniversary for the series. Wild Arms XF came out in 8/9/07 in Japan (PSP WA game).

So IF Media Vision were to make a PS3 Wild Arms game (Sony does not own them, and if they rather make a Wii game, they can), it would not come out until late 2009 at the earliest, since they gotta develop a graphic engine for PS3 and it will be their first time developing on PS3. Level 5 will continue to make PS3 RPGs and everyone can rest assured (unless something shocking happens) they'll mostly stick to PS3 when it comes to consoles (They have a pretty bad relationship with MS over the canceling of True Fantasy Live Online). Level 5 has been awfully quiet on everything lately (we only know of White Knight Story and DQIX coming to DS by them, but they haven't given any updates on them). I do feel once WKS is released, they'll reveal their next PS3 RPG (rumored to be Dark Cloud 3 or Rogue Galaxy 2). Those are the only RPGs I see coming from SCEJ themselves, since developing on PS3 is a bit costly and if the game bombs (which is very likely since they really don't have any quality RPG devs outside of Level 5 and Media Vision), they'll lose more money (and Sony is already losing money on PS3). And then, you have to hope SCEA brings them stateside, because SCEA already isn't too fond on bringing RPGs stateside since many of them just won't sell stateside (I know someone within SCE Santa Monica who mentioned Folklore almost didn't come stateside because of what SCEA felt, but someone within convinced them to bring it over. And it MIGHT explain why we didn't get Dark Mist). But SCEA is good and allows other publishers to release their stuff stateside (unlike Namco).

Now for the third party situation, Sony has usually been pretty lucky to receive an RPG from Capcom, Konami, etc., with several from Namco, Bandai, ATLUS, Square, Enix, Banpresto, some from Sega, and other devs. Capcom doesn't make RPGs anymore (Breath of Fire V really bombed and Mega Man X: CM didn't do so great. The only kind of RPGs they make are Mega Man Starforce games on DS). Konami still has Suikoden, but with the massive downsizing Konami has done (outsourcing many of those games) who knows when it will come (I'm predicting it will come to Wii, since Suikoden isn't a high budget RPG and Konami is mostly sticking to Wii). Namco, who knows with them, because they did have 360 development kits early which explains why 360 got a few RPGs early, but they're giving PS3 crap support mostly and seem to favor 360. We haven't heard them announce a new PS3 RPG yet, outside of an Eternal Sonata port which is coming sometime. Bandai hasn't really made a next gen RPG yet, but there's a chance CyberConnect2 (makers of .hack) will make a PS3 RPG since they are working on Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm on PS3 (so they have a graphic engine made on PS3). ATLUS is still stuck to making last gen games (Persona 4 is coming out soon to PS2, since they opted to stay PS2 then go 360). They have said many times they will make a PS3 SMT game, so we'll see. SMT3 (the first ATLUS PS2 RPG developed) didn't come until 2/20/03 (almost 3 years after the PS2 was out in Japan, and PS3 hasn't even been out two years in Japan). Square Enix hasn't really done much for next gen. All they have on 360 so far is publishing IU and LR is multi-platform (FFXI was an old port). On PS3, they have FFXIII, FF Versus XIII, and LR. But at the moment, Square Enix is mostly developing on handhelds, since Wada is all profit and DS prints lots of money. Reason why PS2 got FFX early was because Square was originally almost 2nd party to Sony and assured PS2 got FFX in a good time frame. Wada (who was mostly Enix before and only cares about profit) could careless when PS3 gets FFXIII, so he isn't going to try pushing the game out quicker (it's being said he's holding development back since DQIX isn't out yet and he wants more PS3 consoles to be sold). Most Banpresto games are Japan only, but I see most going to handhelds if anything. Sega has brought Valkyrie Chronicles to PS3. They haven't brought any RPGs to 360, and I think they'll bring more PS3 RPGs (but most will be Wii/DS). Who knows about the Shining series, but Shining Tears might happen on PS3 (since the devs also make Yakuza).

What does hurt Sony a bit more than some of you have thought is, PS2 say three Xenosaga games, but now Monolith Soft is owned by Nintendo, so the series is done. There were three Shadow Hearts games on PS2, but since the developer was dissolved, there goes that series (some of them are with Feel Plus, who mostly works with Mistwalker). The Tales series and others probably won't see as many installments, and some may end up on handhelds.

Some good news is, NIS will develop PS3 SRPGs, Gust has a PS3 RPG coming (as long as they don't cancel it), and Square Enix should be bringing RPGs to PS3 (they said Wii, DS, and PS3 will get the bulk of their games).

Overall, there's no denying PS3 will see very few RPGs this generation because:
-360 came out earlier, got some of the developers before PS3. MS has very deep pockets to keep games on their platforms.
-RPGs tend to go to the console with the larger userbase in Japan, and the Wii has it.
-Handhelds are a bigger success this time, which is why DS/PSP are even taking some RPGs away from consoles now.
-PS3 is just really expensive and complicated to develop for. Valkyria Chronicles had to sell 500k copies to break even due to the graphic engine they invested in. The game sold 120k in Japan, and I really doubt it will sell 380k in NA/Europe. Being expensive and complicated does kind of scare devs away from making an investment to make games on it (western devs who make multi-platform games isn't bad, because making a PS3/360 game costs around the same as a PS3 exclusive). SCEJ is more likely to make PSP RPGs if they make an RPG since the PSP is doing very well in Japan and development cost is much lower.

When thinking about it, PS3 and 360 are in-line when it comes to RPGs stateside. All 360 got in its first year was Enchanted Arms (PS3 got that and Folklore). 360 in its 2nd year got Eternal Sonata and Blue Dragon, while PS3 gets Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles. 360 gets Culdcept Saga (kind of RPG), Lost Odyssey, Operation of Darkness (terrible game, but still), Spectral Force 3 (I doubt it will be good), IU, and ToV tis year. If PS3 gets 6 RPGs in 2009 (very possible IMO), 360 and PS3 will be on the same pace basically. I just think people expected no RPGs on 360, while PS3 gets all the RPGs, but they are looking to be about the same, just that 360 looks better due to a year headstart.

Well, that's all I'm going to say. If you really want RPGs, buy a DS, that's my suggestion (It gets too many awesome ones this year). I think 360 will have the RPGs in the short term, but in the long term, it's up in the air (Because FFXIII are the biggest RPGs to come, while I expect 360 to see a dip in RPGs later on but has a decent number now, and Wii is doing very well and may get a lot). If someone wants RPGs now on a console, just buy a 360 and not worry about waiting for PS3 to get them.

If PS3 fans want more RPGs, I highly recommend buying Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles (which is a VERY good game I hear too) when they come out, because if they sell well, we should see more.

I made this long posts because I'm getting tired of hearing this argument from PS3 fans. RPGs do NOT follow just one manufacturer unless Square Enix was making a game console. Do NOT assume one consoles has the RPGs until you see announcements or they are released.

EDIT: Yes, having the PS2 still around hurts, because some devs are still making RPGs for PS2. One reason MS killed off Xbox so quickly was so ALL devs would move to 360. Sony kind of needs to do it, but at the same time, Sony needs PS2 so they can lessen loses on PS3.

White Knight Story is not Vaporware. Level 5 has just been quiet about everything they've been making as of late. It will come, we just don't know when.

And this:
Yes, I love JRPGs and they are my favorite genre, but there are some major problems:
-SCEJ isn't going to bother creating their own RPG outside of Level 5, Media Vision, etc. because they haven't had a single one sell good enough. You think SCEJ is going to make a game to please some people and lose money?? I don't think so. Like I said before, Valkyria Chronicles had to sell 500k to break even, and it certainly didn't sell that much. And if most all PS3 RPGs have to sell that high to break even, then why should devs make an RPG on PS3 when they can make an RPG on DS for much less, and guarantee sales (or in Sony's case, they'd usually just put it on PSP)? A PS3 Wild Arms isn't coming anytime soon since Wild Arms XF just came out less than a year ago. Every popular RPG series outside of FF and DQ has seen significant drops in sales in Japan. Sony isn't exactly going to moneyhat a Tales or something when it use to be a 500k+ seller, now to a 200k-300k seller franchise in Japan (on platforms with larger userbases).

-Then it comes down to SCEA, who wants NOTHING to do with bringing most RPGs stateside. Jeanne D'Arc, Rogue Galaxy, Arc The Lad: TotS, Kingdom of Paradise, Folklore, etc. did not do too well stateside, which is why they will automatically pass up most games just because they are in RPG (Level 5 games come stateside since SCEJ forces it). XSEED and other publishers may pick them up at least, but I'm just mentioning this because even if SCEJ releases a PS3 RPG, it might not even come stateside. SCEA has spent $$$ translating RPGs and lost money, so why bother continuing to do it and lose money? They aren't an ATLUS, NIS, etc. who want to cater to a niche (SCEA is all about mass market, and always will be).

The only way you all get PS3 RPGs is to not write to SCEJ, but actually give them 15+ million dollars and find a developer to make a PS3 RPG.

EDIT 2: Sorry to sound so negative (because I am a PS3 fan, no doubt), but there are two things I've been meaning to say which I haven't mentioned before.
-Last console that comes out each gen (I'm talking about N64, Xbox, and PS3 here) experiences the most game delays (N64 had games delayed for over 3 years) and cancellations (Quite a number of Xbox and N64 games revealed never came out).
-Both of those two platforms were beyond terrible when it came to JRPGs (N64 only had Ogre Battle 64 which was great).

It's kind of like the old say, last one is the rotten egg. The only way for Sony to avoid this problem in the future, is to release first.

Although in my case, as long as I get my FFXIII games, some Level 5 RPGs, and a few others (like Disgaea 3, Valkyria Chronicles, SMT on PS3), I'm all right. I buy all consoles anyway, so if 360, Wii, DS, or whatever has all the RPGs, I can get them regardless. I don't care where they end up.

I just get tired of those assuming PS3 will have all the RPGs just because it did previous generations, when RPGs (and other games) do NOT just stick to one platform unless it's first party. Developers go where the userbase and profit is to be made, regardless (or if they get tons of money to stick somewhere).
 
Yeah lol I actually read all of those in their entirety on PS3Forums (Is that a testament to how much time I have on my hands?) and I agree with you on most cases if not all (you have a few :p)
But like we discussed on the forums (I'm Major Ocelot on there, one of the 'founders' :cool:) this is not being done in hopes that it will force Sony and Third Parties to make JRPG's, its just to raise awareness to the fact that their is a large portion of the owners out there that are craving RPG's and over a year is too long to wait.
So yeah, btw didn't take you as a Cheap Ass, Mana Knight. :lol:
 
[quote name='Paint Drinker']Yeah lol I actually read all of those in their entirety on PS3Forums (Is that a testament to how much time I have on my hands?) and I agree with you on most cases if not all (you have a few :p)
But like we discussed on the forums (I'm Major Ocelot on there, one of the 'founders' :cool:) this is not being done in hopes that it will force Sony and Third Parties to make JRPG's, its just to raise awareness to the fact that their is a large portion of the owners out there that are craving RPG's and over a year is too long to wait.
So yeah, btw didn't take you as a Cheap Ass, Mana Knight. :lol:[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know who you are there. :)

In case you didn't know (a little off the topic), this is the main forum I post at). I started the PSN Gaming Group here where we play PS3 online games together on this forum a few times a week, and it has been very successful. Playing JRPGs use to be all that I did, but once I started the gaming group, I mostly play with them. Many here know my name very well (I'm surprised more knew me at PS3 forums than expected, like when I got friend requests from a few on the forum). Sorrow880, is one of my PSN friends, and we actually live in the same county (we never met though). I met him by telling him what PSP RPGs there were over a year ago. Sorrow880 knows I've told him this same thing over and over again.

I did sign the petition regardless (why not, I've signed others), but we'll see what happens. I really don't think SCEA especially will change their minds (they are kind of negative towards the genre).
 
I think I'm the only one who doesn't want any RPGs. There's like a billion left on the PS2 that I have yet to play... and not that I have time for RPGs these days.
 
maybe everyone's waiting to see how well SquareEnix Final Fantasy sells before they start working on RPGs for PS3.
 
If I was a developer using lots of money to develop for the PS3 I'd rather put that to more use in a more popular genre (shooters and Madden, anyone?).
 
[quote name='Thomas96']maybe everyone's waiting to see how well SquareEnix Final Fantasy sells before they start working on RPGs for PS3.[/QUOTE]Kind of true, but Square Enix is also waiting for PS3 to reach a certain userbase before putting out RPGs on PS3 in Japan, so regardless, it's tough.
[quote name='Moxio']If I was a developer using lots of money to develop for the PS3 I'd rather put that to more use in a more popular genre (shooters and Madden, anyone?).[/QUOTE]There's no denying, the majority of games that sell are shooters, and that's why devs continue to make them. I'm not into most, but they do sell. The top selling PS3 games, are indeed shooters.
 
What does hurt Sony a bit more than some of you have thought is, PS2 say three Xenosaga games, but now Monolith Soft is owned by Nintendo, so the series is done. There were three Shadow Hearts games on PS2, but since the developer was dissolved, there goes that series (some of them are with Feel Plus, who mostly works with Mistwalker). The Tales series and others probably won't see as many installments, and some may end up on handhelds.
I believe Monolith Soft is owned by Nintendo.

Isn't there a chance they can sell the Xeno IP - I mean, is anyone actually going to play an RPG on the Wii.

Oh yeah - and Monosith Soft's new game, Disaster: Day of Crisis, has been delayed indefinately. What was Nintendo thinking - should have them alone to give me some PS3 xeno games.
 
I think that the RPGs need to come out, but the PS3 user base has to grow, developers want some guaranteed money, plus Sony needs to pay for RPG exclusives.
 
[quote name='camoor']I believe Monolith Soft is owned by Nintendo.

Isn't there a chance they can sell the Xeno IP - I mean, is anyone actually going to play an RPG on the Wii.

Oh yeah - and Monosith Soft's new game, Disaster: Day of Crisis, has been delayed indefinately. What was Nintendo thinking - should have them alone to give me some PS3 xeno games.[/QUOTE]That's what I meant. I might have made a mistake typing it since I was distracted the entire time.

Yeah, I rather have Xenosaga PS3/360 (in HD) then Monolith Soft make Wii games (I have nothing against the Wii, it's just that I always wanted Xenosaga in HD).
[quote name='Moxio']Well at least there's Disgaea 3, right?[/QUOTE]
And Valkyria Chronicles. ;)
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']

As much as I don't want to believe this, I honestly won't be surprised if Star Ocean 4 ends up on 360, since Tri-Ace's next gen engine was made on 360

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Konami still has Suikoden, but with the massive downsizing Konami has done (outsourcing many of those games) who knows when it will come (I'm predicting it will come to Wii, since Suikoden isn't a high budget RPG and Konami is mostly sticking to Wii).


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I just get tired of those assuming PS3 will have all the RPGs just because it did previous generations, when RPGs (and other games) do NOT just stick to one platform unless it's first party. Developers go where the userbase and profit is to be made, regardless (or if they get tons of money to stick somewhere).[/QUOTE]

Sure SO4 could end up on 360, but doesn't Square/Enix have a say on where it goes? SO4 is one of their biggest games, where is the logic in putting tons of money into FF13 and FF13 Versus but then allowing SO4 to be exclusive to the 360? Not to mention Last Remnant is multiplatform. Can you explain the logic in SE allowing SO4 to be exclusive on the console they're supporting the least? DQ10 is pretty much a given for the Wii at least IMO, SO4 exclusive to 360 is way out there and you have to wonder what SE is thinking if it does happen. Do they expect people to buy all 3 consoles? Splitting up their BIG games on all 3 consoles sounds pretty stupid IMO.

Konami had listed both a RPG for PS3 and Wii side by side. We can assume (unless plans have changed and certainly they could have been) that an RPG is going to both. Now you have proven series like Metal Gear and Silent Hill going to the PS3 where as Wii gets new ideas like Dewey's Adventure and Elebits. And what exactly can Suikoden bring to the table for the motion control? Most PS3 owners see the logic in PS3 getting Suikoden and the Wii getting something new, not vice versa.

These are assumptions of course but not sure why you can't see why PS3 owners assume these things. If you look at it logically these things seem very possible and more likely for PS3. This is where PS3 owners are coming from.
 
[quote name='zerolens']Sure SO4 could end up on 360, but doesn't Square/Enix have a say on where it goes? SO4 is one of their biggest games, where is the logic in putting tons of money into FF13 and FF13 Versus but then allowing SO4 to be exclusive to the 360? Not to mention Last Remnant is multiplatform. Can you explain the logic in SE allowing SO4 to be exclusive on the console they're supporting the least? DQ10 is pretty much a given for the Wii at least IMO, SO4 exclusive to 360 is way out there and you have to wonder what SE is thinking if it does happen. Do they expect people to buy all 3 consoles? Splitting up their BIG games on all 3 consoles sounds pretty stupid IMO.[/quote]Well, what has me thinking about that has to do with what duckroll at GAF (who follows Japanese gaming there, and is now a mod) posted a story about recruitment at at a development studio. It was located in the same area Tri-Ace is, and it was specifically looking for someone with:
-Experience with the 360 to bring an all new RPG IP to 360 (which is Infinite Indiscovery).
-Experience with the 360 to bring a popular series RPG to 360 (which is being assumed as Star Ocean 4).

That's what has me a bit uncertain. But at the same time, what tells me the game is going to PS3 is:
-Star Ocean 1 and 2 were just remade/ported to PSP, so it seems like they are trying to prepare people to visit back through Star Ocean on a PlayStation platform.
-Star Ocean: FD on PSP had a Star Ocean 4 trailer on the disc. And why would Sony allow for Tri-Ace to show off a trailer to a game on their disc if it wasn't coming to a PlayStation platform?
-Just about every site list it as a PS3 game.

In reality, we do not know.

Konami had listed both a RPG for PS3 and Wii side by side. We can assume (unless plans have changed and certainly they could have been) that an RPG is going to both. Now you have proven series like Metal Gear and Silent Hill going to the PS3 where as Wii gets new ideas like Dewey's Adventure and Elebits. And what exactly can Suikoden bring to the table for the motion control? Most PS3 owners see the logic in PS3 getting Suikoden and the Wii getting something new, not vice versa.
I don't know because Konami canceled other PS3 projects they had listed (like Coded Arms, Gradius VI, etc.). There's no denying I want the game on PS3, but there was multiple news floating around that Suikoden VI will go to Wii (many times it was listed to be confirmed). But then again, there's news floating around about Kingdom Hearts III coming to Wii, so it's best to wait and see what happens.

These are assumptions of course but not sure why you can't see why PS3 owners assume these things. If you look at it logically these things seem very possible and more likely for PS3. This is where PS3 owners are coming from.
I can understand how many may assume games will just come to PS3, but look at Namco for example. All main Ridge Racer games come to a PlayStation, and then they make RR6 360 exclusive (but at least PS3 got RR7). They made Ace Combat 6 and Katamari 360 exclusive (two games which were always PlayStation). Last gen, Capcom made PS Exclusive Dino Crisis 3 Xbox exclusive. Valkyrie Profile has only been on PS platforms, yet a new one comes to DS. That's kind of why I can't always assume a game will follow one platform. Some do, but not all.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']That's what I meant. I might have made a mistake typing it since I was distracted the entire time.

Yeah, I rather have Xenosaga PS3/360 (in HD) then Monolith Soft make Wii games (I have nothing against the Wii, it's just that I always wanted Xenosaga in HD).[/quote]

Yeah I know the Xenosaga games get ragged on, but they are the RPGs I enjoy the most.

The amount of content, graphics, and epic feel of the games were always a strong point.

It doesn't make sense to me that Nintendo buys the developer - they're essentially trying to take a team that creates intricately-themed graphically-intense RPGs and put them to a platform that specializes in platform/party games with mediocre graphics and innovative but relatively simplistic hand-motion gameplay.
 
[quote name='camoor']Yeah I know the Xenosaga games get ragged on, but they are the RPGs I enjoy the most.

The amount of content, graphics, and epic feel of the games were always a strong point.

It doesn't make sense to me that Nintendo buys the developer - they're essentially trying to take a team that creates intricately-themed graphically-intense RPGs and put them to a platform that specializes in platform/party games with mediocre graphics and innovative but relatively simplistic hand-motion gameplay.[/QUOTE]It was my favorite series on PS2. I don't understand either, but I REALLY loved them all.

Exactly, because I wanted a Monolith Soft epic game in HD, not with motion controls and SD. When the news was released, I was furious in all my forum posts.
 
In terms of growing the user base, there is a pecking order that has to come before you can get to the RPGs. Before you can get to the RPG genre, you have to go through other genres first... action, sports, adventure, etc. and the PS3 is still building in those areas. MGS4, is a boost in systems sold, Killzone a boost, and each game that releases is a boost. But honestly, if RPGs are going be on the PS3, they need to be in development which I guess some of them are.

The RPG genre is perhaps where Sony should spend some of their exclusive dollars, that way they can get a couple of the next gen RPGs first.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']It was my favorite series on PS2. I don't understand either, but I REALLY loved them all.

Exactly, because I wanted a Monolith Soft epic game in HD, not with motion controls and SD. When the news was released, I was furious in all my forum posts.[/quote]

The best thing about Xenosaga was the wild plot and unique charming characters - for all the whining about stereotypical RPG characters and "ordinary boy saves the world" RPG plot cliches, games like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest keep racking up numbers on the sales charts so I don't expect anything too innovative anytime soon.

The Xenosaga series didn't sell so well, so it probably put them in a position vulnerable to being bought out - still I'd have figured squenix or MS would poach the label before ninty. It's a shame - the games are so unique and I predict the value of the Xenosaga games will rise in price because of it. I wonder if I'll look back on today as the day I passed up buying a used XS1 for 9 dollars and a used XS2 for 13 dollars (I'm keeping the XS3, I love this game!)

[quote name='Thomas96']In terms of growing the user base, there is a pecking order that has to come before you can get to the RPGs. Before you can get to the RPG genre, you have to go through other genres first... action, sports, adventure, etc. and the PS3 is still building in those areas. MGS4, is a boost in systems sold, Killzone a boost, and each game that releases is a boost. But honestly, if RPGs are going be on the PS3, they need to be in development which I guess some of them are.

The RPG genre is perhaps where Sony should spend some of their exclusive dollars, that way they can get a couple of the next gen RPGs first.[/quote]

Pretty good analysis I'd say. Sony would be smart to spend more time developing a genre-defining FPS. RPGs help balance out a library but as you intimate they typically aren't stand-alone system sellers (Final Fantasy being a notable exception)
 
Xenosaga games really didn't have the gameplay muscle to back up the long and drawn-out cutscenes. Anime fans were right at home with the games though.

Breath of Fire VI is a reality, but it is going to be made at the creator's leisure. He made a statement at one point that Capcom will put out a BoF game, although it's on the back burner.

For the most part, JRPGs are becoming the musket of the industry. Other genres can now tell as in-depth a tale with less stilted gameplay. Many mainstream games (such as Ratchet or Metal Gear) utilize JRPG conventions or elements anyway, so the genre lives through those titles.
 
Let's hope not exclusively. I never finished Star Ocean 2 (was near the end maybe), Star Ocean 3 (didn't get too far into it), and never played the first Star Ocean, but there's something about the series that makes me want to play them.

I'm down with scifi and space elements, so that's probably why. If Star Ocean 4 were coming for ps3 too, I'd most likely get that as well.
 
[quote name='imascrub']Let's hope not exclusively. I never finished Star Ocean 2 (was near the end maybe), Star Ocean 3 (didn't get too far into it), and never played the first Star Ocean, but there's something about the series that makes me want to play them.

I'm down with scifi and space elements, so that's probably why. If Star Ocean 4 were coming for ps3 too, I'd most likely get that as well.[/QUOTE]The developer said, right now it is only planned for 360.

[quote name='The Mana Knight']Well, what has me thinking about that has to do with what duckroll at GAF (who follows Japanese gaming there, and is now a mod) posted a story about recruitment at at a development studio. It was located in the same area Tri-Ace is, and it was specifically looking for someone with:
-Experience with the 360 to bring an all new RPG IP to 360 (which is Infinite Indiscovery).
-Experience with the 360 to bring a popular series RPG to 360 (which is being assumed as Star Ocean 4).[/QUOTE]I was pretty much right in my main assumption, but figured PS3 had some chance.

Duckroll at GAF put it all into perspective, and it makes sense. MS pitched to Tri-Ace to develop a brand new IP RPG on the 360 known as Infinite Indiscovery. This was WAY before Sony even had PS3 development kits out. MS pitched for the game long before PS3 was even out. They were going to be the publisher's initially. Square Enix switched as the publishers. Tri-Ace already had a next gen graphic engine made on 360 for IU, so wouldn't it make more sense in ways to bring your second game in development on a platform you already are familiar with, have a graphic engine up and running on? Since they are already use to the 360 hardware, they can get SO4 out quickly. Unless both games bomb, Tri-Ace may stick to 360 (and Square Enix approves it). Tri-Ace had engines made on PS1 and PS2 last gen, which is why they stuck with them.

The creators of FFXIII games have their engine running on PS3. Although they claim it can work on other platforms, it will most likely run best on PS3, and PS3 will probably continue to see all their HD games. I really wouldn't be surprised if CyberConnect2 (makers of Naruto on PS3) make .Hack on PS3 (It they want it on an HD console) since they are more familiar with PS3 and already have an engine up and running on PS3.

Devs just don't suddenly switch platforms unless they are moving to another generation, or are forced to due to financial reasons (usually pressure by the publisher).

As for Last Remnant, it's all about UE3. How many PS3 games have been delayed, canceled, etc. which were UE3? Remember the Fatal Inertia situation, where it was PS3 exclusive, PS3/360 multi-platform on release, 360 timed exclusive, and now coming as a PSN download. Getting UE3 up and running on PS3 is not easy. I pretty much guarantee Last Remnant had 360 has the lead platform all along (where only the 360 version was shown). And when the developers tried porting the game to PS3, it ran into several issues (that could be why the game has been taking so long), so they decided to just go ahead and release it on 360 (since it's closer to completion) and eventually finish the PS3 version. Porting Bioshock to PS3 is looking to take over a years time, so that kind of shows porting UE3 games to PS3 isn't easy. And if Square Enix held back the game back just for the PS3 version, they'd be losing out on a lot of money right away (which they badly need, according to Wada). If a game is UE3, expect it to have issues on PS3 and most likely be inferior to the competition.

EDIT: Found the article
- Tri-Ace has posted a job recruitment ad in Japan to look for designers, game planners and programmers for two new titles, one is a new fantasy RPG, the other one is a new installment of a popular fantasy RPG, and both projects are planned for Xbox 360. It seems like the two RPGs refer to Infinite Undiscovery and Star Ocean 4.
http://www.the-magicbox.com/game20071008.shtml
 
I think Tri-Ace proved with the PS2 that they make some of the best JRPGs out there.

It sucks that my favorite developers are split between the 360 and PS3. I guess I'll just wait and see which side gets more of the games I love.

Square-Enix major titles and Level 5 vs. Tri-Ace and Tales

What a gen this is.
 
most likely we aren't going to see any RPGs this year... too many issues in regards to getting a game out for PS3. While developing for PS3, release something on xbox (just to generate some revenue) and then continue with PS3 development.
 
PS3 (in Japan)has to get a version of all RPGs, because there is no xbox prescence in Japan. How well would Star ocean 4 sell in Japan if people knew it was coming to PS3 off rip... This SO4 exclusivity for 360 is just a ploy to get people to buy the game, and to at least try to keep people from waiting for the PS3 version.

All these games (RPG) coming out for 360 are arrangements that was in the making a long time ago. The market has changed now.. in Japan PS3 out performs 360 every week, every month... so if a game comes out on 360, RPG especially, then it needs to be released on PS3.
But for the 360 version to stand a chance of making a red cent.. it needs to be touted as exclusive, at least for a while. THen release on PS3, getting the rest of the user base that didn't buy the 360 version.


if PS3 in japan gets a RPG, then we should see that RPG come out in the US. Also, it'd be nice if they could have have one game made, and do the the translation for everyone at the same time. At least english and Japanese. that way there can be a worldwide release of the game, and not have to make US wait for RPG releases. or vice versa.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I think Tri-Ace proved with the PS2 that they make some of the best JRPGs out there.

It sucks that my favorite developers are split between the 360 and PS3. I guess I'll just wait and see which side gets more of the games I love.

Square-Enix major titles and Level 5 vs. Tri-Ace and Tales

What a gen this is.[/QUOTE]

Tri Ace wasnt tht good on PS2. Star Ocean 3 isnt as good as SO2, and VP2 isnt as good as VP1. RS is their only good game on PS2.
 
Star Ocean 3 lost me when it came to doing all the alchemy, and trying to invent things. I felt like it was a big part of the game, I couldn't get shit to go right and I had the stategy guide. I should have just stayed the course, and left that side stuff alone.
 
[quote name='62t']Tri Ace wasnt tht good on PS2. Star Ocean 3 isnt as good as SO2, and VP2 isnt as good as VP1. RS is their only good game on PS2.[/QUOTE]I thought RS was their worst PS2 game IMO. I still liked it, but still.
[quote name='zewone']Thomas is hilarious. :lol:

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When does Valkyria Chronicles come out? That game looks badass.[/QUOTE]
November (or Fall 08). I posted a link to the site a few threads down. ;)
 
http://www.staroceanthelasthope.com/news/square-enix-producer-says-release-on-ps3-is-undecided.html

Square Enix producer Yoshinori Yamagishi cleared things up during a roundtable interview session that followed the press conference. Asked if the game is 360-only, he said, "We cannot announce anything on that. We can say that it will be released first [on the Xbox 360]. Whether we'll release it on the PS3 is undecided. We may release it, we may not."

That's all I needed to hear. Another Bioshock situation with this one. I can understand some PS3 owners not being able to wait but it has taken me 7 months to beat 4 PS3 games and 1 PS2 game. Working on a PS3 game now and have 1 more PS3 game and 3 PS2 games waiting in the wings already bought. Also have 3 PS3 games coming up that I will buy which are Disgaea 3, Valkyria Chronicles, and Fallout 3. Will probably get Siren from PSN as well. And still a few other PS3/PSN/PS2 games I'm considering. Also want to try a MMO for the first time on the PS3.

I may represent the minority of PS3 owners though and if Sony is working on any JRPG behind closed doors it may be in their best interest to get it announced even if there isn't any trailers or screenshots to show. Also if there's any 3rd party JRPG's not revealed they might better convince these companies to announce something. I have the patience to wait plus I would prefer a director's cut version or version with extras anyway but not all PS3 owners may feel the same.
 
Star Ocean 3 is very good, I think the battles surpass 2's.

RS is one of the best games I've ever played, it's a little simple/easy but it's still a lot of fun.

VP 2 is a really great game, I've never played the first though.

I thought Tri-Ace really improved with each game, that's why I'm excited to see what they can do on the 360.
 
[quote name='zewone']Thomas is hilarious. :lol:

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When does Valkyria Chronicles come out? That game looks badass.[/QUOTE]

you're such a sweetheart.. you getting your toes done this week? lol
 
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