What will it take for McCain to win?

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Like most people that live in the real world, I think that an Obama presidency is 2 weeks away. But many polls are close or within with the margin of error, so McCain has a very very slim chance of pulling something off. So here's what I'm asking here is; What will it take for McCain to win? So I put up a nifty little poll, rather than put the option "he can't" (because I'm sure that's what most people would pick), let's keep it on events that might actually change the course.

So here are brief descriptions of the poll options, though I'm sure we could figure them out.


Obama (or Biden) Bombshell/Scandal: We find out Obama is Muslim or that he has a love child in Mexico, something huge like that. Biden wouldn't have as big effect, but it still could be enough to set Obama back.

Push Joe the Plumber: McCain just seemed to realize that saying Obama is socialist might actually appeal to people and is playing it up big time right now.

Push "checks and balances": If Obama wins there's a good chance the Dems will have enought seats in the house & senate to be filibuster proof. There have been some arguements this we need that difference in place, could appeal to independents.

Replace Palin: Such a thing would be unprecedented, but swapping her out for someone else might result in more votes gained than lost.

Terror Attack (or other big military event): This won Bush the election in 2004, if the Sears Tower is attacked next week it would shocking if McCain didn't get more votes.

Other: Explain your reason.
 
I went with terrorist attack since it's so late in the game. I do think that some kind of scandal could change people, but I dunno if it would matter enough to be a win for McCain unless it was really huge. I think most people who would change their mind at this point would see through that as a desperation move unless Obama personally bombed something or murdered somebody.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']It didn't stop Mel Carnahan.[/QUOTE]

That's true, but I think it would swing the voters enough to McCain to cause him to lose.
 
Terrorist attack plain and simple even though Bush and his boys are in charge and it would be an indictment against his war of terror. The morons won't see it that way though and will go with the old soldier that promised to keep them safe.
 
I don't think kicking Palin out would do anything other than make the Republican party look unsure and shaky, at this point.

Election fraud could get McCain the election. Or, I agree with a terrorist attack.

But it is hard to imagine Obama not winning at this point. I think Obama himself would have to really do something to embarrass himself or discredit himself for it to happen.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']At this point, i don't think the support of Jesus himself could help McCain.:lol:[/quote]


jesus was a carpenter.... which is like a plumber... hmm u might be onto something...
 
I think plenty of people should be scared of large enough Democratic majorities in Congress and a left-wing president who will be able to implement a far-left agenda unopposed. That's a nightmare scenario:

1. President Obama (possibly the most leftist president in American history, unless he actually governs the way he's campaigned instead of the way he's voted and acted his whole career - unlikely)
2. Large Democratic House majority (big enough to ignore the Blue Dogs and thus fiscal conservatism) with an ultra-leftist House speaker (Pelosi)
3. 60-vote (filibuster-proof) Senate majority

That should scare anyone who isn't far to the left.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I think plenty of people should be scared of large enough Democratic majorities in Congress and a left-wing president who will be able to implement a far-left agenda unopposed. That's a nightmare scenario:

1. President Obama (possibly the most leftist president in American history, unless he actually governs the way he's campaigned instead of the way he's voted and acted his whole career - unlikely)
2. Large Democratic House majority (big enough to ignore the Blue Dogs and thus fiscal conservatism) with an ultra-leftist House speaker (Pelosi)
3. 60-vote (filibuster-proof) Senate majority

That should scare anyone who isn't far to the left.[/QUOTE]

This is what I've been saying too.

I honestly could care less if Obama is president. Presidents don't have all that much power and are largely symbolic puppets. But the idea of the Democratic agenda wishlist being given all the power in the government is beyond frightening, if they gain control over all other branches of government.
 
Other: John McCain will have to remove his face, which was actually a mask and reveal he is actually Obama sent from the future to stop a evil clone of himself. Then we must have them battle in a steel cage in which the true Obama err Mccain will prevail....But that would mean Obama would still win, This is seriously the ONLY scenario of that man even coming close to becoming president. Sorry that is just how it is, he has a snowflakes chance in hell. And if america gets screwed again I am probably going to move to Canada and live in the woods and enjoy the free healthcare.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']This is what I've been saying too.

I honestly could care less if Obama is president. Presidents don't have all that much power and are largely symbolic puppets. But the idea of the Democratic agenda wishlist being given all the power in the government is beyond frightening, if they gain control over all other branches of government.[/QUOTE] So who's the puppet master for President G. W. Bush?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Presidents don't have all that much power and are largely symbolic puppets.[/QUOTE]

This is the most ignorant statement you've made in quite a while...
 
I wrote down "Other" and submit the nailing of Osama bin Laden's corpse on front of the Straight Talk Express.

I'm still eyeing my tin-foil hat on the "We captured/killed bin Laden, yay Republicans!" theory a day or so before the election.

~HotShotX
 
Remember the Christopher Walken film dead zone where the Presidential candidate ruins his career by using a baby to shield himself from harm?

No, even that probably would not do it.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']But the idea of the Democratic agenda wishlist being given all the power in the government is beyond frightening, if they gain control over all other branches of government.[/quote]

For 2 years.
 
I quote the Stealer Wheel song when I say "Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right." No matter which way you shake it, the next 4 to 8 years will probably be crazy painful with either an Obama or McCain Administration. On one side, you have a lame duck, and the other you have what's looking like a filibuster-proof government.

Screw it, I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney. If I'm going to throw away my vote, I might as well do it on the bat-crap craziest one on the ballot. :)
 
[quote name='plasticbathmonki']I quote the Stealer Wheel song when I say "Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right." No matter which way you shake it, the next 4 to 8 years will probably be crazy painful with either an Obama or McCain Administration. On one side, you have a lame duck, and the other you have what's looking like a filibuster-proof government.

Screw it, I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney. If I'm going to throw away my vote, I might as well do it on the bat-crap craziest one on the ballot. :)[/quote]
LOL that she is. The polls are tighting who knows. I dont wanna thread jack but has anybody seen the ads from a group called let freedom ring?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']OTHER:

It would take a miracle, and god doesn't even exist.[/quote]

Of course God exists.

How else did 19 arabs with box cutters overcome the most sophisticated & expensive aero-space defense system known to man...

use 2 civilian planes to bring down 3 skyscrapers in downtown new york...

and then.....

YES....

and then....

strike another plane at the heavily guarded & monitored Pentagon building, with only 4-6 frames of video to tell the story.....?

That my friends... is DIVINE fuckING INTERVENTION!

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now... if you still don't believe in God.... perhaps your praying to the wrong one.

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and now... look at recent headlines. we got Colin Powell and Joe Biden talking about some "crisis" thats going to happen early into Obama's presidency. Remember, this is the same Joe Biden who was cozying up with Pakistani ISI shortly after the 9/11 attacks. The same ISI that wired lead hijacker Mohammad Atta $100,000 a week prior to the attacks.

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remember this article i posted back in May that alot of you fuckfaces scoffed at?


Spooks Promise Terror Attack For New President

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=2198
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/may/26/us-terror-attack-seen-apt-to-follow-08-vote/


especially you liberal bitch ass Incompetency Theorists who kept harping on the word "spook"?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Obama continues to look like the lesser of two evils. Something big could change that.[/quote]

other way around my kind sir. say no to universal health care and affirmative action.
 
It would take some kind of disastrous scandal for Obama, or something like a terrorist attack.

Barring that, I just don't see how McCain can win.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Based on recent poll averages, Obama has enough to win without even needing the toss up states. That tally gives him Virginia which I'm skeptical of despite polls, but even without Va. he's still above 270.

And I don't see any other blue states on the map that McCain has much chance of getting barring something huge happening in the next 2 weeks.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

How was your vacation?[/QUOTE]


The good: I have job interviews for assistant professor positions next week at the two universities I wanted the most out of the ones I applied to.

The bad: I have a nasty cold.

The ugly: It really sucks preparing for job talks and interviews with a nasty cold. :(
 
congrats! better to prepare with a cold than arrive with one.

shame you're in CJ and I'm in SOC, otherwise we'd be competing for what would likely be the same positions. Ha.

Met David Kirk last week, BTW. Nice guy, dig his katrina research.
 
Yeah, he's a good guy. Most of the faculty here are pretty easy to get along with. His research is pretty cool. Tim Brezina at Georgia State is doing some work on Katrina as well, though I don't know any specifics of what he's doing.

Definitely better to prepare with a cold...hopefully I'll have it kicked by the weekend and be good to go next week.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']For 2 years.[/QUOTE]

I hear quite a bit, actually, from Republicans who think (or maybe just wishfully think) it could be 1992 all over again: Democratic president and Congress push leftist agenda, two years later Republican landslide. I doubt it since the Republican Party had become discredited due to its failure to hold to its principles and even more so due to a spate of scandals and corruption.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I hear quite a bit, actually, from Republicans who think (or maybe just wishfully think) it could be 1992 all over again: Democratic president and Congress push leftist agenda, two years later Republican landslide. I doubt it since the Republican Party had become discredited due to its failure to hold to its principles and even more so due to a spate of scandals and corruption.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure two years of an all liberal government will change that around. When Obama fails to keep his promises, and he will, then everyone who got on the Obama bandwagon to sound trendy will realize they've been taking it in the ass and will give back some of the power to the Republicans. Congress we all know can't possibly keep it's stranglehold with it's approval rating.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']I'm sure two years of an all liberal government will change that around. When Obama fails to keep his promises, and he will, then everyone who got on the Obama bandwagon to sound trendy will realize they've been taking it in the ass and will give back some of the power to the Republicans. Congress we all know can't possibly keep it's stranglehold with it's approval rating.[/QUOTE]

It has taken 6 years of an all-Republican-all-the-time federal government and 2-years of a "we're the majority party but will capitulate to conservative bullshit like FISA revisions and massive corporate welfare expenditures," not to even mention the net job loss over 8 years, 6 trillion in debt Bush's policies leave us in, and the current state of the economy being in the next-best-thing-to-the-depression for people to just *barely* abandon the BLISTERINGLY IDIOTIC concept of supply-side economics long enough to vote in change.

I suppose the question I have for you is this: is America stupid enough to vote in ANOTHER supply-sider after the past 28 years of stupendously, monumentally, incredibly, stunningly idiotic economics policies?

I suppose the answer is right. We ARE dumb enough. So bully for the next "damn the fiscal liability to China and giving up our position as an economic superpower: full speed ahead with another round of tax cuts!" politician you and your blissfully ignorant cadre of policy folks recommend.
 
Ugg. Supply-side economics is the co-opted codeword for capitalism. I'm actually surprised you use the term instead of trickle-down, the new euphemism is so much more innocuous.

Be a man, myke and just say you hate capitalism and prefer wealth confiscation and government redistribution to individual freedom of choice.
 
Yes. That's true. Because, you know, capitalism disappeared during the 1990's administrations, when glorious leaders Chairmen Bush and Clinton led us to growth until we came back into dirty, dirty capitalism.

And, mind you, the $700B bailout and the over $100B given to welfare queens AIG means "supply-side," which, of course, means that the bailout = capitalism. Semantically.

Give me some credit. I don't know about you, but I know *I* am smart enough to discern between an economic philosophy on the whole and one form of economic growth underneath it. So don't take the piss about something you're unaware of, and go rediscover the nuances of what "supply-side" means.
 
[quote name='sonicfreak5']other way around my kind sir. say no to universal health care and affirmative action.[/quote]

:lol:

I'd prefer to say no to deregulated health care and, possibly, ending the Iraq War. Deregulation hasn't worked so well for Wall Street and I don't think the Iraq War has worked so well since Mission Accomplished.

Don't get me wrong: Obama goes against every libertarian principle, but I'd rather the USA be here in 4 years.

Then again, what is the point of training to survive the Apocalypse if you never get to use the training?

EDIT: Regarding affirmative action, isn't bailing out Wall Street reverse affirmative action?
 
Since this is turning into an all-out brawl, I'd like to get my two cents in before they lose their value. We can all agree that, for whatever reason, the last eight years have been awful. A combination of the wars in the middle east and rampant outsourcing have doubled the national debt and drained our economy horribly, much of which has gone into china's pockets.
Personally, I believe that as long as McCain supports the Iraq war, he will not win, and for good reason. The leftists all hate the war for reasons that remain clear, and have no chance of voting for him. The extreme right is shaken, and while many remain loyal, some have begun to consider that we must take care of our own before we worry about other countries. The common man (the political middle ground) hears a lot of rage on both sides, and while unsure of the cause, knows that the economy is in the gutter, and wars are expensive. Because of this, I think that McCain's only chance of success is to announce a plan to withdraw our troops, and start licking our wounds.
 
[quote name='RoboBlue']Since this is turning into an all-out brawl, I'd like to get my two cents in before they lose their value. We can all agree that, for whatever reason, the last eight years have been awful. A combination of the wars in the middle east and rampant outsourcing have doubled the national debt and drained our economy horribly, much of which has gone into china's pockets.
Personally, I believe that as long as McCain supports the Iraq war, he will not win, and for good reason. The leftists all hate the war for reasons that remain clear, and have no chance of voting for him. The extreme right is shaken, and while many remain loyal, some have begun to consider that we must take care of our own before we worry about other countries. The common man (the political middle ground) hears a lot of rage on both sides, and while unsure of the cause, knows that the economy is in the gutter, and wars are expensive. Because of this, I think that McCain's only chance of success is to announce a plan to withdraw our troops, and start licking our wounds.[/quote]

But that would be waving the white flag of surrender.

Let "that one" win. He can be blamed for everything later.
 
Why is it only leftists that hate the war? If the left only makes up 40% of the population, how do you explain the other people that don't support the war? We're not all on the left. Alot of us in the center hate the war also.
 
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[quote name='depascal22']Why is it only leftists that hate the war? If the left only makes up 40% of the population, how do you explain the other people that don't support the war. We're not all on the left. Alot of us in the center hate the war also.[/quote]

I'd like to think I'm pretty far on the right and I know the war is a colossal waste of resources.

The only people in favor of the war either make money from the war, are delusional or understand exactly what the war is about.
 
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