ROP Update: No Jewish of Christian Prayer In Shools! Muslims? Oh, That's Fine

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Schools loosen limits on prayers
September 4, 2005

CLIFFSIDE PARK, N.J. (AP) -- Yasmeen Elsamra had a simple request: While her classmates were eating lunch, she wanted to go off by herself for a few moments to pray.

The 14-year-old was told she couldn't, and went home distraught that afternoon in October 2003. Praying five times a day is a cornerstone of her Muslim faith.

"If I wasn't allowed to pray my second prayer at school, I couldn't do it at home," she said. "When school finishes, the third prayer begins."

Her family contacted the District-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, which asked the school district to reconsider. Eventually, the school district acknowledged it had no policy preventing a student from praying during free time, and allowed Yasmeen to use an empty classroom to unfurl her prayer rug, face Mecca and touch her head to the floor in a few moments of worship.

Her case was part of a nationwide grass-roots effort by Muslim parents to make public schools more friendly and accommodating to Muslim students. The movement has gained strength since the September 11 terror attacks.

"The reality for many Muslim students in public schools is very difficult," said Ingrid Mattson, vice president of the Islamic Society of North America. "It's highly stressful."

She said her children were sometimes taunted in their Connecticut school district.

"The kids will say 'Hey Osama, do you have a bomb? Are you going to blow us
up?'?" she said.

Some school districts are starting to take notice. A zero-tolerance policy on harassment of Muslim students was adopted by Florida's Broward County school board in March 2003.

Paterson, N.J., home of the state's largest Arab-American community, lets some students out of class early Fridays to attend prayers with their parents' permission, and is one of a handful of New Jersey districts that closes schools for Eid al-Fitr, a Muslim religious holiday.

"You're seeing a lot of schools becoming more sensitive this way," said Michael Yaple, a spokesman for the New Jersey School Boards Association.

In spite of a large Muslim student population in Baltimore, the school board there voted 10-0 earlier this year against a proposal to add Eid to the school holiday calendar.

The decision in Baltimore prompted Samira Hussein, a parent of four and an educator to nudge the Montgomery County school district toward a more inclusive curriculum. She and others got the district to send teachers and administrators to annual Ramadan celebrations marking the holiest month of the Muslim calendar.

The teachers ate lunch at the celebrations and spoke to parents and students about Islam and how it intersects with the school day, particularly what it feels like to fast while other children eat. Now, her children and other fasting Muslim students may sit at a cafeteria table doing homework, playing games or just talking during lunch.

That's the kind of simple accommodation that Aliya Rohani wishes every Muslim student could have.

"I don't want to be hated by other people," said Aliya, who attends the Al-Noor School in Brooklyn, N.Y. "I didn't do anything wrong. I would go home to my mom and cry. I started saying, 'No, I'm not Arabic.' But I don't want to deny who I am."

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I'm not sure how this facilitates your stereotypes and bland accusations of the inherent violence and incivility of Muslims.

To portray this situation as a matter of double standards? That's fine. Can you start a thread without lacing it with your own brand of bigoted simple-minded vitriol?
 
There has always been an exception that made it so public institutions did not force you to go against your religion. Prayer in school is not required by any faith, and, of the main faiths, only islam has a prayer schedule that would interfere during school. Basically, the school is forcing the child to go against basic religious tenents, that hasn't been allowed.

But, even for christians, private, voluntary prayer that does not interfere with education is legal. This meets that criteria since it is not school or group supported, is completely voluntary, is private, and lunch is free time, it is not considered education.

General Rule: Organized prayer in the public school setting, whether in the classroom or at a school-sponsored event, is unconstitutional. The only type of prayer that is constitutionally permissible is private, voluntary student prayer that does not interfere with the school's educational mission.

May students pray? Students have the right to engage in voluntary individual prayer that is not coercive and does not substantially disrupt the school's educational mission and activities. For example, all students have the right to say a blessing before eating a meal. However, school officials must not promote or encourage a student's personal prayer. Students may engage with other students in religious activity during non-curricular periods as long as the activity is not coercive or disruptive. In addition, while students may speak about religious topics with their peers, school officials should intercede if such discussions become religious harassment. It is essential that private religious activity not materially disrupt the school's educational mission and activities. Personal religious activity may not interfere with the rights or well-being of other students, and the threat of student harassment and pressure must be carefully monitored. It is also critical to ensure that the religious activity is actually student-initiated, and that no school employee supervises or participates in the activity. Any school promotion or endorsement of a student's private religious activity is unconstitutional.

Are vocal prayer and Bible reading in the classroom permitted? Vocal denominational or nondenominational prayer, and ceremonial reading from the Bible, are unconstitutional practices in the public school classroom. 8 It is legally irrelevant if the prayer or Bible reading is voluntary, or if students may be excused from the activity or classroom during the prayer. Student volunteers may not offer prayers for recitation. 9 Similarly, student volunteers are prohibited from broadcasting prayers over a school intercom system into the class-room. 10

http://www.adl.org/religion_ps_2004/prayer.asp
 
'Zo got to it before I did. Kudos! Prayer should not be required or endorsed. But it should be allowed in a private setting.
 
I think this deserves another pic:

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I also don't see why you singled out this article to make inferences on something else. It's as if by showing schools are being accomodating to Muslim students you somehow are showing that they are not being accomodating to Christian, Jewish or other students. Try again when you have some proof that Muslims are getting special treatment rather than just the same as anyone else and I'll be the first to chime in in support.
 
[quote name='evanft']I think this deserves another pic:

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I'm just curious.... how can I be owned when I didn't write the article. Didn't post anything in reference to it or reply to any response except this one?

I suggest you don't escape from the short bus in the future. Mom and dad, or is it just mom.... after all who could love you but a mother.... put you on that short bus and tightened up your hockey helmet for a reason.

You have wayyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I'm just curious.... how can I be owned when I didn't write the article. Didn't post anything in reference to it or reply to any response except this one?

I suggest you don't escape from the short bus in the future. Mom and dad, or is it just mom.... after all who could love you but a mother.... put you on that short bus and tightened up your hockey helmet for a reason.

You have wayyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.[/QUOTE]

Most of us actually can read, PAD.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']No Jewish of Christian Prayer In Shools! Muslims? Oh, That's Fine[/quote]

^^ that looks like it's in reference to the article to me.
 
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I always thought the way that's under WRONG! was the way you did it to kill yourself. Years ago I tripped running up the stairs, and my wrist fell on scissors that someone had put on the top step. I cut my right wrist (the way it shows in the WRONG! section), it bled a decent amount, but didn't concern me. I though it was funny, so I went around school telling everyone about my "suicide scar". I think I was in high school at the time.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I always thought the way that's under WRONG! was the way you did it to kill yourself. Years ago I tripped running up the stairs, and my wrist fell on scissors that someone had put on the top step. I cut my right wrist (the way it shows in the WRONG! section), it bled a decent amount, but didn't concern me. I though it was funny, so I went around school telling everyone about my "suicide scar". I think I was in high school at the time.[/QUOTE]


That's why they made the handy dandy poster! Now teenage goth kids can finally get it right! Thank you Rippy Razor!
 
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