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David Jaffe vs Joystiq: Round 1 - FIGHT!


#1 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17004 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago   Has been playing DriveClub
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:48 PM

http://blog.wired.co..._slams_joy.html

In response to this on Joystiq

Like a little girl struggling to keep her favorite doll out of the garage sale bin, David Jaffe is returning to the world of Calling All Cars to make some fixes and revise some of the criticisms the title received via reviews, even after announcing that the title has gone gold, according to a post he left on the NeoGAF forums.


Jaffe writes this:

Fuck you, guys. Go Fuck yourselves. What other developer makes a fucking change to a game when a review (IGN's in this case) has a good, valid point and is willing to open the fucking code up at the risk of more bugs to make the game better? Amazing.But hey, you guys are great, you guys rock. I hope Kotaku fucking puts your ass out of business, wanna be fucktards. And if you were actual journalists you would have read the motherfucking quote I posted on NEOGAF where I said because of the two bugs we needed to fix (not because I was afraid of the bargin bin) we had a window of opp. to fix the magnet problem. Assholes...total fucking assholes.


I think Jaffe completely misread the article on Joystiq.
Ross Miller at Joystiq wrote, "Like a little girl struggling to keep her favorite doll out of the garage sale bin". I think the meaning is Jaffe is unwilling/not ready to let go of his game. I don't see this statement being overally critical of Jaffe. Also, Jaffe misinterpreted "garage sale bin" for "bargin bin" [sic].
I can understand him taking offense at being compared to a "little girl", but I don't think it necessitated a response with 8 f-bombs.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:53 PM

Finally. It's about time someone in the video game industry started acting insane. We've got crazy rock stars and crazy movie stars so why not?

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:55 PM

Somehow, it's even funnier with the Shaq-Fus. ;)

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#4 wubb   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   20114 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:56 PM

Meh, to me the Joystiq bit is unnecessarily busting his balls.

I'd say he went over the top with his response, but his passion is probably a reason he makes great games.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:58 PM

I'd say he went over the top with his response, but his passion is probably a reason he makes great games.


Or the reason he's a douche. Either one works.
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#6 lordwow   Fmr. VP of the OTT CAGiversary!   20534 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:59 PM

David Jaffe needs to not let Joystiq get to him. I mean, it's Joystiq.
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 01:06 PM

Or the reason he's a douche. Either one works.


Not mutually exclusive.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 01:21 PM

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#9 jer7583   only 5 can ladder CAGiversary!   11971 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 02 May 2007 - 01:30 PM

Cripes, it's a downloadable game, if there hadn't been this stink about a few minor issues I'm sure it'd be up and being downloaded rather frequently. Jaffe is bizonkers and has cemented his image as a wishy washy, oversensitive developer.

Tell me why the game couldn't have been released and then patched?

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#10 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 01:56 PM

props to him for going back to fix bugs after a review. I don't think I've heard of that happening pre-release.


but damn, what a temper :lol:

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:11 PM

Dear Gaming Community,

WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Sincerely,
David Jaffe
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#12 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:20 PM

Wow, what a douche bag. First the guy posts on his own blog whining about the Gamespot review now he's going on a tirade against Joystiq?

This guy is WAY too full of himself. So he made Twisted Metal and God of War, who the Fuck cares? They were decent games but it doesn't give him free-reign to be such a whiny bitch.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:33 PM

What a little bitch.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:33 PM

Wow, what a douche bag. First the guy posts on his own blog whining about the Gamespot review now he's going on a tirade against Joystiq?

This guy is WAY too full of himself. So he made Twisted Metal and God of War, who the Fuck cares? They were decent games but it doesn't give him free-reign to be such a whiny bitch.


I was going to say the same thing. Jaffe vs. Gamespot, Jaffe vs. Joystiq ... I look forward to waking up to Jaffe vs. Those Guys on The Cheapassgamer Forums tomorrow.

#15 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:35 PM

I was going to say the same thing. Jaffe vs. Gamespot, Jaffe vs. Joystiq ... I look forward to waking up to Jaffe vs. Those Guys on The Cheapassgamer Forums tomorrow.


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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:38 PM

I completely agree with Jaffe's post. Joystiq's comment was fucking retarted.

Sure, Gaffe kind of made himself look like an idiot there, but honestly, at least someone "high-profile" spoke out against the shit that is Joystiq.


Honestly, releasing a fucking patch for a downloadable game? That's a fucking crime now? Joystiq is a bunch of immature wanna-be journalist fucktards. Congrats to Jaffe for pointing it out.

The guy is FIXING CRITICAL ISSUES, stuff like NETWORKING AND VOICE-CHAT BUGS, stuff that is NECESSARY for a decent game, and Joystiq says he "can't let go of it". Jesus Fucking Christ! Bravo to Jaffe for releasing a game when it's fucking READY, not when fucktards like Joystiq think he should "let go of it".

#17 PyroGamer   Banned Banned   4554 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:39 PM

Wow, what a douche bag. First the guy posts on his own blog whining about the Gamespot review now he's going on a tirade against Joystiq?

This guy is WAY too full of himself. So he made Twisted Metal and God of War, who the Fuck cares? They were decent games but it doesn't give him free-reign to be such a whiny bitch.

Wow. Having a blog is a crime now? Jesus fucking christ, a blog is supposed to be about your fucking opinions! I'm sure you've never critisized a review before, and at least when Jaffe did it he did it on his OWN BLOG. If you don't wanna fucking read it, don't go to his fucking blog.

The fact that Joystiq and the other gaming blogs made this news shows exactly how pathetic they are.

Jesus H. Christ.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:41 PM

I was going to say the same thing. Jaffe vs. Gamespot, Jaffe vs. Joystiq ... I look forward to waking up to Jaffe vs. Those Guys on The Cheapassgamer Forums tomorrow.

Cheapy might one to reduce the file size of the shaqfu graphic or the site's gonna go down in flames.

We need to construct a bunker now. And someone with a raspy voice needs to be in charge of yelling "Throwing Frag!"

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#19 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:42 PM

I completely agree with Jaffe's post. Joystiq's comment was fucking retarted.

Sure, Gaffe kind of made himself look like an idiot there, but honestly, at least someone "high-profile" spoke out against the shit that is Joystiq.


Honestly, releasing a fucking patch for a downloadable game? That's a fucking crime now? Joystiq is a bunch of immature wanna-be journalist fucktards. Congrats to Jaffe for pointing it out.


You know, there's just certain things you don't do as a public person. One of them is going on a tirade like this. The reason you don't do it, isn't because its impolite or any of that garbage, its because it makes you look like a fucking idiot.

Just think if Kojima had gone on this kind of rant after the reception of Metal Gear Solid 2 or Miyamoto after Super Mario Sunshine? Remember how ridiculous Uwe Boll has looked lately after people were trashing his movies and he was trying desperately to fight back (eventually it became literally fighting back...)? That's the road Jaffe's headed down if he keeps this shit up.

Furthermore, Joystiq was right to call him out on his shit. The game was supposed to be out on the 3rd and now its delayed an unspecified amount of time so he can fix shit. Shouldn't this have come up in the beta testing and not AFTER he had announced it had gone gold?

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:44 PM

Wow. Having a blog is a crime now? Jesus fucking christ, a blog is supposed to be about your fucking opinions! I'm sure you've never critisized a review before, and at least when Jaffe did it he did it on his OWN BLOG. If you don't wanna fucking read it, don't go to his fucking blog.

The fact that Joystiq and the other gaming blogs made this news shows exactly how pathetic they are.

Jesus H. Christ.


Perhaps you've heard of professionalism?

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#21 PyroGamer   Banned Banned   4554 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:44 PM

Here's the complete truth out of the horse's mouth:

One day I will learn my lesson: that people don't read the whole post, hell people don't tend to read the post at all, but rather a truncated version of the post posted on another website with just the part of the post that is inflamitory enough to get the haters in a tizzy and get hits on the site(s) in question.


Perhaps you've heard of professionalism?

I'd rather my games be developed by a down-to-earth guy than some self-important fucktard like the folks at Joystiq.


Just think if Kojima had gone on this kind of rant after the reception of Metal Gear Solid 2 or Miyamoto after Super Mario Sunshine? Remember how ridiculous Uwe Boll has looked lately after people were trashing his movies and he was trying desperately to fight back (eventually it became literally fighting back...)? That's the road Jaffe's headed down if he keeps this shit up.

I completely agree. But what do you mean "this kind of rant"??? This isn't about reception to Calling All Cars, this is about a fucktard post by a bunch of fucktard wanna-be journalist assholes at Joystiq.

And he certainly didn't go on a "tirade" over GameSpot's 7.5, he simply posted his opinion IN HIS OWN BLOG. How about you read the fucking post! It's anything but a "tirade".

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:47 PM

I sort of like how the Shaq-Fu image makes it easier to count all the f-bombs in any given rant. PyroGamer was just short with only 7 in his first post.

#23 PyroGamer   Banned Banned   4554 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:51 PM

I sort of like how the Shaq-Fu image makes it easier to count all the f-bombs in any given rant. PyroGamer was just short with only 7 in his first post.

lol, I was actually going for the eight as a tribute to Jaffe. Didn't count them, though.

I'm sure if you read ANY of my posts you can tell I'm quite fond of the little graphic.

#24 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:15 PM

Here's the complete truth out of the horse's mouth:




I'd rather my games be developed by a down-to-earth guy than some self-important fucktard like the folks at Joystiq.


I completely agree. But what do you mean "this kind of rant"??? This isn't about reception to Calling All Cars, this is about a fucktard post by a bunch of fucktard wanna-be journalist assholes at Joystiq.

And he certainly didn't go on a "tirade" over GameSpot's 7.5, he simply posted his opinion IN HIS OWN BLOG. How about you read the fucking post! It's anything but a "tirade".




I thought it was a 6.7.

and Joystiq was just reporting that the game was going to be delayed again to have some stuff fixed, Jaffe flipped out about this because he doesn't know how to read.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:22 PM

Tell me why the game couldn't have been released and then patched?


Yeah, that's what we need more of.
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:30 PM

I like that he's a down to earth gamer with over the top passion about certain things just like the rest of us.

We don't need all developers to be like this, but it's nice to see some that are somewhat closer to the gaming community.
He likes the F word. Big deal.
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:37 PM

I think jaffe is kind of out of line here. Sure what joystiq said was pretty stupid but the guy went kinda nuts and joystiq is allowed to have it's say just as he is.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:46 PM

Yeah, that's what we need more of.


I'd take a patch over a delay anyday. The bugs were rather minor, and you'd be able to enjoy the game just as well for the next two weeks that these bugs are going to be fixed and integrated, except a good 20% of the people who were interested and ready to buy this week are going to lose interest, because thats how gaming works, it depends so heavily on that first week of release hype.

I see it as a loss both for fans and Jaffe.

I think Jaffe was just sour grapes over not getting 8s across the board, so he decided to "show them" by going back and retooling in an effort to make gamespot change their score. Who knows, maybe this bug fix will turn into a full blown "lets add more content" and we'll see it by september.. ugh.

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#29 PyroGamer   Banned Banned   4554 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:46 PM

joystiq is allowed to have it's say just as he is.

But Jaffe isn't allowed to have his say in the comments box of Joystiq's post???

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 04:00 PM

I think both sides have the right to say what they did, but only Jaffe was the one who looked like an ass doing so. He might have carte blanche now because of his successes with Twisted Metal and God of War, but I'm sure looking like a prima donna to the public isn't something that's going to sit well with Sony.