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CAGcast #115: The Beta is Not a Chicken


#1 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17080 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago   Has been playing The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 04:12 AM

This week's topics include Microsoft's Wii-mote clone, downloadable content, CAG 2.0's review system and way too much stuff to list in two sentences.
We still leave time for game industry and shopping news and your CAGbag questions.

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#2 SmackMyPanda   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   26 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 04:46 AM

Nice! Good stuff, will listen tomorrow.

#3 MikeydCT   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   191 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:37 AM

what do you think should happen with Artie Lange?

#4 LittleWildman   I R Drummer CAGiversary!   136 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:42 AM

I'll look forward to the new CAGcast Cheapy and Wombat :D
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#5 CAGIronMan   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   189 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:43 AM

downloading now, will listen before i fall asleep :-P.
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#6 dios   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   743 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:51 AM

LOL ! Nice Street Fighter 2 Reference !!!

Brazil !

#7 vampireblood   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   67 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:52 AM

Great show, Listening right now :D

Can't wait for CAG2.0 or whatever it's called, the next step in the websites evolution. Have you heard about Screwattack's changes to their website?

#8 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17080 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago   Has been playing The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:58 AM

what do you think should happen with Artie Lange?

It's a sad situation. I think its fairly clear he is back on coke and is quickly losing it. I think he needs to go to rehab (again) and and therapy, and hopefully can salvage his career on the Stern show.

#9 Bartex   chuf it out?! CAGiversary!   83 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:19 AM

for the CAG review system you should use what i like to call my ESRB review system

E - Eject it ([0-3] terrible game, not worth your time/money)
S - Steal it ([4-5] mediocre game)
R - Rent it ([6-7] good game)
B - Buy it ([8-10] awesome game, worth your time/money)
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#10 daphatty   VTEC Bitches! Super Moderators   6695 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:20 AM

Downloading now. Reserving opinion spot for later.



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#11 DesertEagleXIX   Semper Economus! CAGiversary!   3239 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:31 AM

Tai endorsing Linux? Cute, indeed!
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#12 sdp   Social Hermit CAGiversary!   296 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:40 AM

What is the M-16 360 video?

#13 Phryo88   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   66 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:59 AM

You could always go with a 1-5 system
1- So bad I'd rather play the Aquaman game.
2- Hardcore fans of genre/IP only.
3- 100% average.
4- Very good, near perfect.
5- Portal good.

#14 Fahd   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   399 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:01 AM

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Gonna listen when I get home from school..


#15 die138   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   58 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:05 AM

It's a sad situation. I think its fairly clear he is back on coke and is quickly losing it. I think he needs to go to rehab (again) and and therapy, and hopefully can salvage his career on the Stern show.



I dont think he's doing coke. He eats too much and with his amount of money he would always be on it and rarely come down. I think there's a possibility that it's just for the show.

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:14 AM

Loved the ' Stupid Bitch' comment :D
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#17 Loonknight   Dirk The Daring CAGiversary!   757 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:15 AM

Good show this week. I like the pull system that Wombat mentioned and the I think a rating system that does incorporate some type of "how much would you buy this one for?" system would be nice. However a "Buy it, Rent it, Avoid it," and perhaps a "Get It Cheap!" works for me too.

#18 Fuzi0n   "What's a Nubian?" CAGiversary!   1045 Posts   Joined 7.9 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:25 AM

Sweet! great way to wake up from a nap, new show and as an added bonus CAGs on news theme song I've been waiting for.

#19 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17080 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago   Has been playing The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:30 AM

I dont think he's doing coke. He eats too much and with his amount of money he would always be on it and rarely come down. I think there's a possibility that it's just for the show.

I doubt it was an act. They didn't replay the radio show afterwards, there is no show rundown on howardstern.com, and there are no plans to show it on Howard TV.
If you've listened closely recently, Artie has made several references about him doing coke. For a long time, he has not even joked about doing coke again...being very serious about his coke problem.
He has also been falling asleep during the show lately, perhaps suggesting that he has been up all night and not continuing the drug use during the show.

Also, I've seen Arties movies...his acting isn't that good.

#20 eliter1   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2830 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:35 AM

for the CAG review system you should use what i like to call my ESRB review system

E - Eject it ([0-3] terrible game, not worth your time/money)
S - Steal it ([4-5] mediocre game)
R - Rent it ([6-7] good game)
B - Buy it ([8-10] awesome game, worth your time/money)


Hey, I like that Idea, Second that.
Good show as always.
So Cheapy you said you would take any fellow CAGs in Tokyo out for dinner, what do all of us CAGs who are not in Tokyo get. A contest with some amazing giveaway?

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#21 Ragekod   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   611 Posts   Joined 7.9 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:36 AM

I'm Listening to it right now!
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:36 AM

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#23 Dr Mario Kart   SD/2D Defense Force CAGiversary!   10945 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 08:01 AM

I would volunteer to review games from a certain company's platforms :)

Review Scale:

-Must buy
-Mostly for fans of the series/genre
-Avoid at all costs.

Having a less meaningful or more vague review scale forces people to read the article, which is where its at.

#24 Jackal888   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   189 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 08:24 AM

The game scoring system should be the suggested money system.
Having a price set to a game would fit into your site being a shopping site.
Some games may be worth more than the actual price letting users know it is a great value. The only problem is what is the ceiling of value? There could be a $60 game that is worth more than $60. Would $100 be the ceiling? Then people will think it is a 100 point scale. There are not many games I would pay $100 for.
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#25 Dr Mario Kart   SD/2D Defense Force CAGiversary!   10945 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 08:29 AM

Regarding Gamestop exclusives in general, & the future value of MGS4 LE in particular:

The only examples I can think of are the RE4 LE Tin (GC), which are available for $50 new on Amazon, and I guess that RE4 Premium which is $70. So we dont have good precedent here.

Something that starts at $85 is already really close to the ceiling, almost regardless of how limited it actually is. If you can sell it for $100, its not really worth the trouble.
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Regarding rumors of a 360 Wiimote ripoff:

Non-standard peripherals always flop as far as software support. Always. From bongos to any number of cameras to guncons. Support is very limited, because sales necessary are very limited.

The Wii balance board might be the most successful peripheral of all time, and support for that will be limited. And its maybe 8 weeks from outselling the PS3 in Japan.

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Alternative to having a rating system.

You just list what groups would enjoy the game. It can range from everyone to no one, and everything in between.

So you could say, this game is mostly for fans of ____ or this game is mostly for casual gamers, and so on.

Then people can consult the write-up depending on how much they feel they are in the groups listed.

#26 John   Illusive Programmer CAGiversary!   2330 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago   Has been playing Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 09:37 AM

The only problem is what is the ceiling of value? There could be a $60 game that is worth more than $60. Would $100 be the ceiling? Then people will think it is a 100 point scale. There are not many games I would pay $100 for.


There are many other problems with a system where you specify how much you think a game is worth instead of giving it a traditional rating.
- It completely alienates anyone who doesn't live in the US, who might want to review games on CAG (because everything would have a US dollar value).
- Valuing what a game is worth is completely subjective, even more so than a regular score. For example, a Final Fantasy fan might always be willing to pay full price for an FF game, even when they wouldn't give it a 10 with the traditional 1-10 scale.
Another example, I spent a lot of time playing Mr. Driller on the Dreamcast. I'm thinking about buying Mr. Driller Online in the Xbox Live Arcade. I know it's a bad game, poorly reviewed, and probably a bad purchase - but Mr. Driller and achievement points, what's not to like? If I lose my mind and end up buying it, my valuation would be the full MSRP - even though I'd score it a lot lower on the traditional scale.
- Because games have different MSRPs it limits what you can do with the data. For example if you have a list of racing games and sort by the average CAG valuation, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue would appear far down the list because it has a smaller MSRP. It means you can't use the value as a score replacement because the upper limit always changes - people are less likely to say they'll pay $60 for a $40 game, regardless of the quality.
- Game value changes over time. I would've paid $60 for Halo 1 at launch, but I wouldn't now. For the data to be relevant people would have to update their valuations over time.
- The system doesn't work as well for things like Xbox Live Arcade games (where price drops are rare). If CAGs say a particular XBLA game is only worth a purchase at half price, there's no point in recording that data because the price is never likely to change.
- People reviewing games should have played and finished the game - that means that on day one, any reviews that have been posted should theoretically be at full price (or nearly full price).

#27 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   3550 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2008 - 09:43 AM

Good show this week. I'd sure be an interesting experiment if you just left your shit bags in front of the daycare center and see if a trash can would appear after repeated throw-aways.
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#28 FriskyTanuki   Believeland CAGiversary!   59282 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago   Has been playing Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:04 AM

I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about Games For Window Magazine shutting down since you guys love to talk about Ziff Davis' financial situation.

You read it. You can't unread it.

 

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#29 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17080 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago   Has been playing The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:26 AM

I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about Games For Window Magazine shutting down since you guys love to talk about Ziff Davis' financial situation.

Somehow missed that story. Here's the scoop: http://www.1up.com/d...cUserId=5380367

#30 KingBroly   CAG Club Nintendo CAGiversary!   15248 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:41 AM

You should probably try this for reviews:

Buy it now
Buy it later
rent it
avoid it
burn it
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