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#1 Squarehard   Nyaa~ CAGiversary!   14873 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 28 June 2011 - 04:00 PM

So it would seem it's finally passing, which also means I'll be buying a lot less from Amazon now unfortunately.

I really hope Amazon will fight back and not just talk big but do nothing about it as they have done in the past with the other states.

As much as I like Amazon, they need to step it up.

#2 underdrifter   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   12 Posts   Joined 4.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 04:56 PM

I assume your talking about the great socialist state of California?
Yeah, I think it passed as part of the budget deal. My wife's grandma lives in Arizona so ill just order a crap load of stuff and pick it up there.

#3 skiizim   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   8525 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 03:40 AM

I'm not happy with it either, I need to look through my open orders and decide what I want or don't want.

#4 lakers2008   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   673 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 03:51 AM

I think Amazon is fighting it. that is what I have been hearing
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#5 ssjmichael   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9031 Posts   Joined 8.4 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:26 AM

When NY forced Amazon to tax us here my purchase rate dropped significantly. My purchase rate at newegg also went up for the same reason. It's too bad Amazon can't stand up for customers like newegg did.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:37 AM

Amazon Tax in exchange for Legalized Medical Marijuana ... karma

#7 Hostile   Dark Evangel CAGiversary!   3149 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:55 AM

I felt the same but luckily my 3x ECA discount is still active, I still had Amazon Prime and I have a good amount of Amazon credit anyways.

#8 guyblade   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   11 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:20 AM

Of course, we technically all should have been paying sales tax in the form of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_tax on state income taxes anyway...

#9 62t   Zune Duck! CAGiversary!   19181 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:19 AM

When NY forced Amazon to tax us here my purchase rate dropped significantly. My purchase rate at newegg also went up for the same reason. It's too bad Amazon can't stand up for customers like newegg did.


Amazon hasn't gave up on NY. They are still suing the state.

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#10 Ather   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   546 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:36 PM

Yup, Amazon will be losing my money. Not sure Cali thought this through. Can't generate tax when people don't buy. People not buying hurts the economy. Hurt economies are bad for recessions. Why can't people grasp that making people spend more in a recession makes them buy less?

#11 MogKnight   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   113 Posts   Joined 5.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:52 PM

This sucks even more for small business owners. Everyone in California (inc myself) have had their Amazon Associates account terminated. Now I can't make any money off of being an affiliate. >:/
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 02:55 PM

Yeah, NY sales tax at Amazon is balls.

#13 ssjmichael   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9031 Posts   Joined 8.4 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:28 PM

Amazon hasn't gave up on NY. They are still suing the state.



As far as I know the last case was in 2009 and Amazon lost. Perhaps there's an ongoing appeal, but in the meantime, if Amazon really cared enough they would cover the taxes for us, or at the very least split the cost. If I only had to pay half of this bullshit tax I'd certainly look at them in a better light.

#14 Kylearan   Hell Drifter CAGiversary!   1381 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:52 PM

As far as I know the last case was in 2009 and Amazon lost. Perhaps there's an ongoing appeal, but in the meantime, if Amazon really cared enough they would cover the taxes for us, or at the very least split the cost. If I only had to pay half of this bullshit tax I'd certainly look at them in a better light.


Amazon lost in the lower court, but is appealing. All the tax they are being forced to collect has been put in escrow pending results of litigation.

Wouldn't surprise me if this eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court.

#15 bojay1997   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   4327 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:00 PM

Pretty sure Amazon's plan for tomorrow is to not start collecting the taxes. As a result, they notified affiliates in California that today is their last day.

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 05:31 AM

Paying CA tax for good bought from other states makes me extremely pissed.

Paying taxes for the state in which the good was sold from though, I would be perfectly fine with. But when you think about it too hard, how the hell do we pay to pay for goods? It feels weird.

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#17 Xevious   Most Damned CAG Evar CAGiversary!   8902 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 02 July 2011 - 04:57 AM

The sales tax here in Berkeley is something like 9.875%

That's pretty brutal.

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#18 62t   Zune Duck! CAGiversary!   19181 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

Posted 02 July 2011 - 05:27 AM

The sales tax here in Berkeley is something like 9.875%

That's pretty brutal.


It was 10% at Union City.

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#19 mission42   To start, press any key CAGiversary!   1561 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

Posted 02 July 2011 - 01:33 PM

As far as I know the last case was in 2009 and Amazon lost. Perhaps there's an ongoing appeal, but in the meantime, if Amazon really cared enough they would cover the taxes for us, or at the very least split the cost. If I only had to pay half of this bullshit tax I'd certainly look at them in a better light.


Yeah, maybe Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, etc. should all pay half or all of the tax for us too...:roll:

Maybe the fact Amazon usually always has some of the cheapest prices available affords a bit of room for you to pay tax on it. If you bought a game at Target for $59.99 plus 7-10% tax you'd pay around $64 give or take. If you buy it from Amazon for $49.99 you can still pay the tax and be getting it a lot cheaper. There is no reason for Amazon to be paying our tax. That would be like your company paying your income tax for you.
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#20 zshipp   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   24 Posts   Joined 5.9 Years Ago  

Posted 02 July 2011 - 05:49 PM

Not for nothing, but weren't you all supposed to be paying sales tax on everything you bought online anyways for years now? Here in IL, and I assume with you in CA you were supposed to pay all sales tax on online purchases when you filled you state income tax form.

If so, this isn't really a shift in policy or theory, its just forcing you to pay the taxes that you were already LEGALLY OBLIGATED to pay.

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 06:10 PM

Not for nothing, but weren't you all supposed to be paying sales tax on everything you bought online anyways for years now? Here in IL, and I assume with you in CA you were supposed to pay all sales tax on online purchases when you filled you state income tax form.

If so, this isn't really a shift in policy or theory, its just forcing you to pay the taxes that you were already LEGALLY OBLIGATED to pay.


This is true, legally they were supposed to be putting all their online purchases in their tax forms and paying taxes on them already, if you don't you're breaking the law(stupid law or not).

You can't have it both ways, you want public services like schools, police, fire departments, roads, etc, but you don't want to pay for it? it doesn't work like that.(And let's not get into the inefficiency of the government, that's a whole other argument).

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 11:07 PM

This is true, legally they were supposed to be putting all their online purchases in their tax forms and paying taxes on them already, if you don't you're breaking the law(stupid law or not).

You can't have it both ways, you want public services like schools, police, fire departments, roads, etc, but you don't want to pay for it? it doesn't work like that.(And let's not get into the inefficiency of the government, that's a whole other argument).


I'm glad people in other states and countries have time to read the West forum and share their local perspective.

When people are shopping online they aren't driving to a store and back, which places less of a burden on roads, fire and police. And yes, just pay me what I ask for without getting into my inefficiency - that's a whole other argument. I'm sure that works like a charm with your boss at work.

And speaking of having it both ways: those big box stores that complain they cannot compete with Amazon because of the sales tax collection issue, and insist that Amazon be forced to collect sales tax to level the playing field - when their demands are met, they're all going to start price-matching Amazon, right?

#23 zshipp   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   24 Posts   Joined 5.9 Years Ago  

Posted 03 July 2011 - 12:32 PM

I'm just amused at all of the outrage from people who think this is some new jackass policy or new money-grubbing from the state government when if you haven't already been paying the tax you've been breaking the law for years now.

As to your other point, the packages you order don't magically teleport to your front door from out of state. The package delivery services use those same roads and airports, chief. Should they not contribute to their upkeep?

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 02:18 PM

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#25 lionheart4life   The Human Suplex Machine CAGiversary!   2365 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 04:50 PM

You won't notice the difference in time and you'll get used to it. Imagine someone taxing over 30% of your hard earned income for the benefit of those who don't want to work (and the handful of people who actually need some assistance), now that is robbery. How about paying over $1000 a year in school taxes when you don't even have kids, and even if you do you wouldn't send them to the awful public schools anyway? NY has had the Amazon tax for years now and while it sucks their prices are still better than anywhere else since there is no way other than Newegg to escape the NY tax burden.
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 09:36 AM

I'm just amused at all of the outrage from people who think this is some new jackass policy or new money-grubbing from the state government when if you haven't already been paying the tax you've been breaking the law for years now.

As to your other point, the packages you order don't magically teleport to your front door from out of state. The package delivery services use those same roads and airports, chief. Should they not contribute to their upkeep?


I don't think it's a new policy. It is a new policy. Amazon and other out-of-state merchants without physical presence in CA were not required to collect sales tax before.

As for the packages, good point: I forgot that by shopping from home or work, it means packages have to be transported there, while the goods we buy at B&M just magically teleport there.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 01:30 PM

As for the packages, good point: I forgot that by shopping from home or work, it means packages have to be transported there, while the goods we buy at B&M just magically teleport there.


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#28 starmask2k3   CAG MASTER'S Trading Ban   12570 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 04 July 2011 - 03:08 PM

This is why 3rd party sellers are making alot more $$ then Amazon is because of the taxes

#29 zshipp   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   24 Posts   Joined 5.9 Years Ago  

Posted 05 July 2011 - 05:24 PM

I don't think it's a new policy. It is a new policy. Amazon and other out-of-state merchants without physical presence in CA were not required to collect sales tax before.

As for the packages, good point: I forgot that by shopping from home or work, it means packages have to be transported there, while the goods we buy at B&M just magically teleport there.



Okay, its new that you are supposed to pay at point-of-sale, but its not new that you are supposed to pay sales tax on all online purchases. If you haven't been paying when you file your state income tax forms, you've been breaking the law.

Nice to know you agree with me. Both B&M and online shippers use your transportation centers and would both would have obligation to contribute to their upkeep from a utilitarian point of view.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:36 PM

I don't think it's a new policy. It is a new policy. Amazon and other out-of-state merchants without physical presence in CA were not required to collect sales tax before.

As for the packages, good point: I forgot that by shopping from home or work, it means packages have to be transported there, while the goods we buy at B&M just magically teleport there.


Don't they pay taxes on the fuel used on vehicles of transportation?