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Should Sony retire the Dualshock design completely for PS4?


#1 Enuf   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   8188 Posts   Joined 5.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:10 AM

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I personally love the PS controllers & haven't cared for any of the other consoles controllers at all. I'd like to see them update the DS with added triggers(8 total) so every combination is accounted for & maybe a touch screen in the middle but that's about it for me. The old silver boomerang rumored one for PS3 wouldn't have bothered me at all either but I hope they definitely stay away from switching the d pad & analog like the 360 has(can't stand it).

There's one school of thought that it's such a good design which is why it hasn't changed. And others who've said they've been saddled with it for far too long. I play all types of games & never have had problems except for the dragon ball Z games when you need to really spin the analogs alot which will kill the controller fast if you play it alot with friends.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:25 AM

I think the Dualshock should remain as is. Whatever they add will most likely cost us more money in the end for no reason. $40 for a controller when on sale is already expensive, and controllers usually worn out or break which requires replacement. I still can't imagine how much it would cost a Wii U owner to get a replacement gamepad.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:32 AM

I think the Dualshock should remain as is. Whatever they add will most likely cost us more money in the end for no reason. $40 for a controller when on sale is already expensive, and controllers usually worn out or break which requires replacement. I still can't imagine how much it would cost a Wii U owner to get a replacement gamepad.


Do we ever think their will be a time when controllers don't have buttons but are touch sensitive?

I don't think the technology is perfect yet, especially where most games require a lot of precision but it sure would make the controllers look sleek

#4 donteatsoap7   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   249 Posts   Joined 6.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:58 AM

I agree with you guys. I love the current design. This (among many other reasons) is what drew me to become a Playstation fanboy; but yes maybe an added feature or two would be great.

#5 Enuf   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   8188 Posts   Joined 5.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:16 AM

I think the Dualshock should remain as is. Whatever they add will most likely cost us more money in the end for no reason. $40 for a controller when on sale is already expensive, and controllers usually worn out or break which requires replacement. I still can't imagine how much it would cost a Wii U owner to get a replacement gamepad.

I think a new gamepad is $150. Sony must make an killing on the DS3 since they've gotta be much cheaper for them than $55. It took a long time before the PS2 ones hit $20.

#6 Crunchewy   What? CAGiversary!   17742 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

I greatly prefer the Xbox controller layout, but of course this could just be a matter of what I'm use to. I doubt they will radically change the design. They may add things, but I doubt they'll go to an offset layout because their fans are use to the dualshock.

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#7 Rosterking   Look away. CAGiversary!   1199 Posts   Joined 5.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

Dual Shock is best controller.

#8 MushaOne   etc. and so forth... CAGiversary!   3736 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

They can keep the design but make it bigger so it fits a normal person hands.When I was a little kid the PS controller was my favorite, after growing up it is just too small for me. Im sure there are still going to be small children and girls playing the PS4, but I would assume most of the audience will be adult males. Make a controller that fits in their hands comfortably.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

please retire. my growing arthritis can't take it anymore. with the down attachment and triggers use, it's not even adual shock anymore anyways

#10 DOMINATOR912   RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE CAGiversary!   1608 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

Not retire, but it needs some alterations. The triggers are horrendous (IMO) and they could probably use trigger guards (360 style). Theres a reason why most FPS games use R1 to shoot instead of the R2 trigger. Maybe make the handle slightly bigger. The joysticks should also be indented slightly (again, 360 style).

#11 waldo21212   Shazam! CAGiversary!   989 Posts   Joined 4.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

As long as they me use a DS3 on the next play station, I'll be happy. I could care less about the other stuff, and probably wouldn't be interested in most games that would try to take advantage bio metrics and touch screen anyway.

Also, make the sticks better quality plastic, the left sticks on all my DS3's are worn down with a large notch in them due to always pressing forward on that one, while the right stick shows no wear.

#12 Crunchewy   What? CAGiversary!   17742 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

I agree that the DS3 is too small. They should definitely make it bigger. Ideally they'd have both large and small models. Make everybody happy.

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#13 Javery   Drug-Dealer-Keeper-Awayer CAGiversary!   22393 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

They need to swap out the right stick with the d-pad.

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#14 guardian_owl   Keeper of the CAG Shrine CAGiversary!   9012 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

If it's better and more comfortable, sure. If they are just replacing it with something new for the sake of creating something new or to drive up the price with pointless extras, then Fuck them.

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#15 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   20025 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

They need to swap out the right stick with the d-pad.


The thing I like about the DS is that it's nearly perfectly symmetrical (if you consider the face buttons and d-pad to be interchangeable) but I always wonder how it would feel if they swapped the left stick and d-pad. I got used to the DS thanks to Ape Escape and it's felt perfectly fine to me since then but I think it would be better if they swapped the two since most games make heavy use of the left stick and face buttons.

I still think they should definitely change the L/R2s to be more like triggers and put some kind of a groove in the joystick.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:01 PM

If it isn't broken. . .

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#17 bkjohns1   Persona! CAGiversary!   870 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

No. I've liked the original dual shock design since the PSone. They can make improvements, but not a new design. I would like to see the PS4 have some backwards compatibility with peripherals, so I would not have buy new controllers.

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#18 orntar   R.I.P. CAGiversary!   1196 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

the problem is, MS and Sony have never really offered 2 different controllers for the same gen. the WII kinda did with the classic controllers, but I think that is an exception. they had to.

So I can't see them letting you use old controllers if they redesign it. I really hope for a redesign, but I would be ok if they didn't. I would like the left analog/dpad swap, as well as a more ergonomic design. MS really nailed the 360 controller.

I also hate the shape buttons, but i know that will never change. :)

#19 Action!   bwip CAGiversary!   6674 Posts   Joined 5.3 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

Just change R2 and L2 and I'm on board for keeping it.

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#20 TheLongshot   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2405 Posts   Joined 5.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:52 PM

If it isn't broken. . .


My attitude about it. Unless there is something significant that needs to be changed to support new controller features, I think the DS design works just fine. I know some prefer the XBox layout, but I think it is all about what you are used to, since I find nothing wrong with the DS's layout.
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#21 WV Matsui  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

I think it definitely needs to be tweaked/refreshed. I personally love the Xbox controller and that is why sometimes I buy a game for 360 over my PS3.

#22 Heavyd814life   ♥ Swept In Sound ♥ CAGiversary!   2434 Posts   Joined 5.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:15 PM

They need to swap out the right stick with the d-pad.


F that.

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#23 Masterkyo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10053 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

Sony Dual Shock 4 tablet with High Tech compete with Wii U tablet low Tech. I really don't know why SONY keeps copy cat Nintendo from year to years.
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#24 Crunchewy   What? CAGiversary!   17742 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

I think they need to swap the LEFT stick, not the right. If they swapped the right stick and d-pad it would be exactly the opposite of the Xbox controller and that would be pretty weird. I mean if they were to do that at all, which I doubt.

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#25 Pliskin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3213 Posts   Joined 5.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

F that.


This. Change the triggers so the don't slant downwards and you're basically done, but please for the love of god leave the sticks symmetrical. It's one of the reason why I prefer the DS3 over the 360 controller.


I think it definitely needs to be tweaked/refreshed. I personally love the Xbox controller and that is why sometimes I buy a game for 360 over my PS3.


I have some friends that feel the same way, their biggest gripe is the size of the controller and triggers so if Sony can make slight changes in those areas I think it could benefit them. Just don't go crazy.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

Take out the motion sensing. Make the battery easier to replace.

The Dualshock design is the best since the SNES pad. There is a reason it hasn't changed.

Switching the sticks would ruin the aesthetic and comfort factor for me. After 4 hour marathons on both systems, I think it's a lot more comfortable to play Call of Duty on the PS3. I like the triggers, but they could be concave instead.

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#27 8bitArtist   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2157 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

please retire. my growing arthritis can't take it anymore.


so, youre like, 60 years old then, right?

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#28 The 7th Number   Lambent CAGiversary!   6697 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:37 PM

I loved this controller for PSone and PS2 games. I was even nervous about going from PS2 to Xbox 360 because how much i loved the controller. But this generation ive really adapted to the 360 controller and it feels so much better than the PS3 controller, especially for games that use both analogs at the same time a lot.

What they need to fix:

Comfort of the controller, it feels thin and bony. The 360 controller is smooth and fits right in your hand. Its like a recliner rocking chair while the ps3 controller is like a fold out lawn chair. They need to smooth it out and get rid of the hard edges, maybe make it a little bigger.

The analogs are way too close together. If im playing a game like Infamous, i often jam my thumbs together when i am in the heat of battle when i have to push both analogs inward at the same time. It gets really annoying. I would never buy a game for PS3 that uses both analogs like that unless it was an exclusive title. Lucky for me my favorite game God of War doesnt use the RS that often. Its mostly the LS and face buttons.

The analogs dont have enough resistance. They are way too easy to move around, i need more tension.

Last but not least, get a better trigger design. Something that is either less slippery, or curved so my fingers dont slip off.

I already know that i wont go to the PS4 if they dont fix the controller a little, my major complaint is the analogs being too close together. The other things i talked about them fixing i can live with one way or another. But no way im going to play games that will have me jabbing my thumbs together.

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#29 RedFoxCommando   I Am Spartacus! CAGiversary!   762 Posts   Joined 5.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:57 AM

DS4, nothing new except the number.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:00 AM

I agree with everyone regarding the changing of the l2 / r2 buttons. I do thing they should change the shape of the analog sticks (top). I think that they would be better if they where concave, or maybe had a small rim around the top.
It's just a suggestion. The controller perfect,and I would strongly disagree with swapping the dPad and the left analog stick. NO! I don't think I like this touch pad integration that was recently reported.

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