15 year old girl creates Caucasian Club at her high school

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A 15-year-old girl's effort to start a Caucasian Club at her California high school has won her some support — and an avalanche of anger.

Freshman Lisa McClelland gathered about 250 signatures from students and adults to start a club at Freedom High School in Oakley, Calif., that would focus attention on European heritage and history.

Her campaign has won the support of many students, not all of them white, who say such a group would be no different from the school's other ethnic clubs, which include the Black Student Union, the Latinos Unidos and the ALOHA club for Asian-American students.

"I applaud Lisa McClelland. She should be allowed to be proud of her heritage and want to know more about it just like anyone else," said one student on the high school's e-mail forum. "What a bunch of hypocrites when people start using the word 'racist.' Why isn't the Latino club racist? Or the Asian or African-American club?"

But the Caucasian Club has run into opposition from those who accuse the club of fueling racial tension.

Darnell Turner, vice president of the East County National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he fears the club could morph into a white-supremacy group after Lisa graduates.

"I think she's doing this for the right reasons, but what's going to happen when she graduates? What's it going to turn into?" said Mr. Turner, who added he was speaking for himself and not the NAACP.

He suggested that she change the name to the European-American Club so that the focus would be on heritage, not race.

Lou Calabro, president of the European-American Issues Forum, said he spoke with Lisa on Wednesday when she called to ask for advice.

Since then, he's become an informal adviser for the would-be club. On Friday, he sent letters to two civil-rights organizations requesting an investigation of the school administration.

In the letters, he accused Principal Eric Volta of "resisting the formation of the club" because it "would upset the alleged current positive feelings at the school," said Mr. Calabro in a letter to the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights.

He cited e-mail he received from Lisa on Friday describing her difficulty in finding an adviser for the club and threats from other students. She also said that teachers are allowing students to place fliers around campus criticizing her campaign.

"She's scared," said Mr. Calabro, who said he receives three to five letters a month from students interested in starting such clubs. "One white football player called her [obscene epithets]. Others are calling her names. She's only 15, so naturally she's upset."
 
[quote name='Maklershed']
Darnell Turner, vice president of the East County National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he fears the club could morph into a white-supremacy group after Lisa graduates.

"I think she's doing this for the right reasons, but what's going to happen when she graduates? What's it going to turn into?" said Mr. Turner, who added he was speaking for himself and not the NAACP.

He suggested that she change the name to the European-American Club so that the focus would be on heritage, not race.[/quote]

What a crock of shit. Shouldn't it be called the "African Student Union"? Couldn't they turn into the Black Panthers and start killing whitey?

fuck double standards and reverse racism. I'm not supposed to get offend during Black History Month or Day Without a Mexican, but I'm incensitive for making anything a 'White' thing?

The Political Correctness bus really needs to pull the fuck over.
 
What I hate is if someone says they are proud to be white, they are automatically labeled as a white supremicast. I don't see it being any different then saying you are proud to be (insert race here)
 
I like it when people challenge social conventions, like this... sadly, nothing but bad will come of it.
 
What's sad is that people form these groups at all.

But really, it's no different than the other groups, and those who fear it should be ashamed of their racism.
 
i mean its a lil different, when you are a minority, sometimes it feels more comfortable to be around a group of your own minority. Hence all these different groups, its a little different when you are the majority. Whites already have a place where they go where other minorities, they are called Country Clubs....jk.

i know most people here are saying its BS, but I am guessing most of you are part of the majority, so you dont have the best idea what its like to be the minority or at least the minority for most of your life, not just instances.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']i mean its a lil different, when you are a minority, sometimes it feels more comfortable to be around a group of your own minority. Hence all these different groups, its a little different when you are the majority. Whites already have a place where they go where other minorities, they are called Country Clubs....jk.

i know most people here are saying its BS, but I am guessing most of you are part of the majority, so you dont have the best idea what its like to be the minority or at least the minority for most of your life, not just instances.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but you're missing a dire point here:

What she's doing isn't racist.

The backlash on what she's done is a terrific commentary on double-standards.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']i mean its a lil different, when you are a minority, sometimes it feels more comfortable to be around a group of your own minority. Hence all these different groups, its a little different when you are the majority. Whites already have a place where they go where other minorities, they are called Country Clubs....jk.

i know most people here are saying its BS, but I am guessing most of you are part of the majority, so you dont have the best idea what its like to be the minority or at least the minority for most of your life, not just instances.[/QUOTE]

I understand that, but quite frankly we need to strive to eliminate the mind-set that makes people more comfortable around people with the same skin color, etc as they have. It's only then that we will rout out the last vestiges of racial/ethnic/etc bias.
 
Well I believe that she has the rights to do so
HOWEVER

In the case of where the word caucasion hails from she would have to also let people who is dark skinned or Persian colored of any sort in the club.

The word caucasion refers to a light skinned African person or a White black person . A person born in Africa and looks and could be classified as white. Then again there is many version of caucasions in all groups may they be cultures, race, or religion. The point is her name would prove the African American Group Right about the migration of the White Black to Europe.

So the term caucasion could not be used here. As the guy stated Euaopean American could and would work out here. However they would have to not included the people who migrated from Africa, Russia or any other Asian places unless they have certain proof and lving standards.

Like Chef's parents



My question to this school is how many Russian people is in the Asian group. In fact how many people who countries that broke off from Russia is in the Asian group?
 
[quote name='Maklershed']the school's other ethnic clubs, which include the Black Student Union[/quote]
He suggested that she change the name to the European-American Club so that the focus would be on heritage, not race.
How about that. Someone find this girl and buy her a beer.. er, Pepsi. Awesome.

[quote name='RegalSin2020']
In the case of where the word caucasion hails from she would have to also let people who is dark skinned or Persian colored of any sort in the club.[/quote]
Yup. And I'll bet she'd be fine with it. At least I hope so. On a related note, that I can only recall from memory, a South African student applied for an 'African American' scholarship at some American high school, but was denied.. Because he was white. Despite being born in Africa, he was rejected for having a different skin colour. Bleh.
 
[quote name='Hex']How about that. Someone find this girl and buy her a beer.. er, Pepsi. Awesome.


Yup. And I'll bet she'd be fine with it. At least I hope so. On a related note, that I can only recall from memory, a South African student applied for an 'African American' scholarship at some American high school, but was denied.. Because he was white. Despite being born in Africa, he was rejected for having a different skin colour. Bleh.[/QUOTE]

Well the thing is this student is not a Amerikan and is really from Africa. When we say African Amerkan we are refering to the so caled desendents of the original African slaves not somebody who is living in a settlement of Europe.

It's like a a guy from Hong Kong who could pass for Prince Charles decendant but speaks perfect Cantonese and knows the history and was born there and who parents could pass for Jackies Chans cousins but then again Hong Kong was and is a British Settlement and he would be denied that no matter how much proof he has seeing how the fact is he could pass for perfect English man and is born in a settlement of Britan ( Which recently gained it's independence ).

Speaking of Which Hong Kong is just like New York and just like New York has certain rules. Like you can't wave the Turk flag there seing how they consider them terrorist when it is more about passed down hate and when Bruce Lee was growing up the Asian looking guys could never get a ahead of the European people. Also there is still many gangs in Hong Kong like New York.
There is even cross roads.

The point is he did not get in since he is from a British Settlement. seeing how they are so tiny.
 
[quote name='RegalSin2020']Well the thing is this student is not a Amerikan and is really from Africa. When we say African Amerkan we are refering to the so caled desendents of the original African slaves not somebody who is living in a settlement of Europe.[/quote]
Hey, you're right-

"An African American (also Afro-American, Black American) is a member of an ethnic group in the United States whose ancestors, usually in predominant part, were indigenous to Africa. Many African Americans possess European, Native American and, to a lesser degree, Asian ancestry as well. The term refers specifically to black African ancestry, not, for example, to European colonial or Arab African ancestry, such as Arab Moroccan or white South African-European ancestry. African American means an American of African descent."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

What a crock of shit. Someone has to be black to be an 'African American'? I'd consider that racist- someone who's not black, but heralds from Africa, and legally lives in America, cannot be considered 'African American'. Oh yeah, it's all about history, and nothing about race, right?
He suggested that she change the name to the European-American Club so that the focus would be on heritage, not race.
(from Maklershed's article)
 
I'm black, and I see nothing wrong with this, but I agree with the previous statement that it's hard to get ideas like this to fly when you're in the majority.

I'm sure she has good intentions, but this situation is gonna get a lot worse before it gets any better.
 
[quote name='Hex']Hey, you're right-


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

What a crock of shit. Someone has to be black to be an 'African American'? I'd consider that racist- someone who's not black, but heralds from Africa, and legally lives in America, cannot be considered 'African American'. Oh yeah, it's all about history, and nothing about race, right?
[/quote]
Well, ya see... Africans haven't been subjected to the centuries of oppression at the hands of the American Whitey, so they can't milk the same sympathies.

[quote name='Purple Flames']I'm black, and I see nothing wrong with this, but I agree with the previous statement that it's hard to get ideas like this to fly when you're in the majority.

I'm sure she has good intentions, but this situation is gonna get a lot worse before it gets any better.[/quote]

Dude... this at at a High School in Cali... I wasn't aware whites were the majority there. :p
 
[quote name='Kayden']Well, ya see... Africans haven't been subjected to the centuries of oppression at the hands of the American Whitey, so they can't milk the same sympathies.



Dude... this at at a High School in Cali... I wasn't aware whites were the majority there. :p[/QUOTE]

It won't take long for the rest of the country, either.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']it's hard to get ideas like this to fly when you're in the majority.[/quote]

That may be true, but that didn't stop women or blacks from pursuing their rights, did it?
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']It won't take long for the rest of the country, either.[/quote]

Its almost impossible to find white people in parts of St Paul. I went to a Walmart - the haven of whitetrash- in St Paul and I was the only person that spoke English, let alone was white. Granted, the rest of Minnesota is about as full of honkies as you can get. :lol:

I have nothing against immigration, but seriously, isn't it about fucking time people start learning English?
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']I'm surprised she felt the need to start a new club for this. Didn't the school already have a Young Republicans Club? :lol:[/quote]
:rofl: Holy crap, I remember that club. I swear, I was the only one in it with brown hair and eyes and not Mormon, much less Christian and the rest were your typical Aryan. Everyone was white as a sheet, although we did have a Dutch kid join up 'cause his girlfriend was the president of the club. Of course we tried to (without success) to get him to pronounce 'Gubernatorial'.


To think that we celebrated Bush winning in 2004 still gives me the willies. :/
 
[quote name='Hex']:rofl: Holy crap, I remember that club. I swear, I was the only one in it with brown hair and eyes and not Mormon, much less Christian and the rest were your typical Aryan. Everyone was white as a sheet, although we did have a Dutch kid join up 'cause his girlfriend was the president of the club. Of course we tried to (without success) to get him to pronounce 'Gubernatorial'.


To think that we celebrated Bush winning in 2004 still gives me the willies. :/[/quote]

:shame:
 
Maybe I',m just pointing out the obvious but:

[quote name='Maklershed'] Freshman Lisa McClelland gathered about 250 signatures from students and adults to start a club at Freedom High School in Oakley, Calif., that would focus attention on European heritage and history.

[/QUOTE]

She needs a club for this? I thought that was what school did. Now if she's seeking the actual truth about European heritage more power to her, but otherwise it seems a little redundant to me.
 
I appluad her for having balls to do it. I'm even happier that shes not a racist too. I would have been interested in in a European heritage club in high school. Then again, I'm Scottish, Irish, British, and some French thrown in, and some people don't consider them all much European it seems. Such a club like hers could co exist along side Spanish Clubs, German clubs, French clubs, and the like easily.

Its not like their out in the streets shouting "white power!". Personally, I hate skin heads and neo nazis with a sickening passion. I hate it even more when they try and pull the ACLU BS. To me, you shouldn't be allowed to rally if all your rhetoric is nothing but opression, hatred, bigotry, and fear.
 
[quote name='hinkbert']Maybe I',m just pointing out the obvious but:



She needs a club for this? I thought that was what school did. Now if she's seeking the actual truth about European heritage more power to her, but otherwise it seems a little redundant to me.[/QUOTE]

Most high schools I know of don't have Europeon History classes. It's mostly World or US history and lots of times if there is a Euro history class it's more of an advanced level course. At least that's the way it is around here.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Most high schools I know of don't have Europeon History classes. It's mostly World or US history and lots of times if there is a Euro history class it's more of an advanced level course. At least that's the way it is around here.[/quote]

Well... Living in MN suburbs most my life, I grew up with less minorities than I have digits. I think in elementary school I generally had maybe one black kid or one hispanic. Then in middle school, we had about 3 blacks, 2 hispanics and an asian! Then things got really crazy in high school. Almost a whole half dozen of each- blacks, latinos and asians.

So... ethnic clubs were pretty unrealistic either way. However, I'd think it'd be pretty different in California. "Hangin' With Mr. Cooper" showed me that Oakley is almost entirely black. ( :lol: ) Honestly, I have no idea what the quotas are, but I wouldn't think it to be 99% white and 1% other like Bumfuck, MN.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Well... Living in MN suburbs most my life, I grew up with less minorities than I have digits. I think in elementary school I generally had maybe one black kid or one hispanic. Then in middle school, we had about 3 blacks, 2 hispanics and an asian! Then things got really crazy in high school. Almost a whole half dozen of each- blacks, latinos and asians.

So... ethnic clubs were pretty unrealistic either way. However, I'd think it'd be pretty different in California. "Hangin' With Mr. Cooper" showed me that Oakley is almost entirely black. ( :lol: ) Honestly, I have no idea what the quotas are, but I wouldn't think it to be 99% white and 1% other like Bumfuck, MN.[/QUOTE]

A very good point, but that wasn't really what I was getting at. I thought he was talking about how a school's supposed to teach about Europeon heritage during history classes, and I was simply pointing out that I didn't think that was the case at most schools (though honestly could be at that school I haven't the faintest idea of their studies there). Usually you may cover very general Europeon hisotry during 4 weeks of a semester of a World history class in HS, unless you're an honors student.
 
I think the problem is how she framed it. I would encourage people to discover their ancestry, and I certainly wouldn't want to stop people from learning history, or any other subject matter.

To frame it so cynically as a means of suggesting that "reverse racism" is (1) present, (2) discriminates against white folks in the same ways and same degrees as minorities, and (3) the only genuine form of racism (I'll get into that more if you're interested), however, is where I have a problem with it. Why not call it the "European History Club," or emphasize the learning aspect of it (y'know, like "Latin Club" or something similar)?

It's being done to make a point, and a point I greatly disagree with on many fronts. If it were done without such cynicism, and with the interests of education in mind, I think it would be great.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Why not call it the "European History Club," or emphasize the learning aspect of it (y'know, like "Latin Club" or something similar)?[/quote]
The black club was called 'Black Student Union', though. That title to me doesn't suggest learning about black history (Or I'd imagine it would be called the 'Black History Club'). I don't see why she should have to make her group sound like a history groups if the other's don't either.

She even used the politically correct term for whitey too (caucasian), unlike the black student group. :x
 
[quote name='Kayden']
I have nothing against immigration, but seriously, isn't it about fucking time people start learning English?[/QUOTE]

There is no incentive to now. Everything is in Spanish. Go into any store and pick up a product and you'll probably see the product has English and Spanish on it. Almost all stores now have the signs with English and Spanish, there are the Spanish TV stations and even driving by stores, in the window you see writing in Spanish that translates to "We Speak Spanish." It's already to the point I think in Texas where you can't even get a job in some areas unless you speak Spanish and English. Even those Monopoly McDonald's pieces have English and Spanish on them and now toys like that new Elmo and some dolls they have Spanish speaking versions of them.

And if you speak up against it, you're considered a racist. I remember on the news a few months ago a small business owner put up a sign saying "For Service, Please Speak English." He got so much hatemail/calls from people saying they would never shop there again and how he was racist etc.
 
[quote name='YoshiFan1']
And if you speak up against it, you're considered a racist. I remember on the news a few months ago a small business owner put up a sign saying "For Service, Please Speak English." He got so much hatemail/calls from people saying they would never shop there again and how he was racist etc.[/quote]

Was that the guy who owned the philly sammich shop in New York?
 
[quote name='Hex']Was that the guy who owned the philly sammich shop in New York?[/QUOTE]

I think it was one of the original cheese steak places in philly.
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah, but you're missing a dire point here:

What she's doing isn't racist.

The backlash on what she's done is a terrific commentary on double-standards.[/QUOTE]

I think you're missing the point. He never stated that what she is doing is considered racist. He was asking some the majority to try to understand the other side. Learn how to read and comprehend before making assumptions. How can you tell someone that he missed a "dire" point when the main point of the article stated that it caused some controversy.
 
[quote name='YoshiFan1']
And if you speak up against it, you're considered a racist. I remember on the news a few months ago a small business owner put up a sign saying "For Service, Please Speak English." He got so much hatemail/calls from people saying they would never shop there again and how he was racist etc.[/quote]

Crazy thought here... but if they didn't understand English, how would they know what the sign said? :whistle2:k

People that speak English are saying its racist to be requested to speak English?
 
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