18 month ceasefire between Hamas and Israel?!

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A long-term truce between the Palestinian militant group Hamas and Israel may be announced within days, Hamas officials said in Cairo.

Border crossings would reportedly be re-opened and a ceasefire would be called for 18 months under the Egyptian-brokered deal.

Israel and Hamas called unilateral truces at the end of Israel's offensive against Gaza last month.

US envoy George Mitchell recently urged the sides to extend their ceasefire.

There was no immediate Israeli reaction to Thursday's announcement by Hamas officials.

'Obstacles removed'

Moussa Abu Marzouk, a deputy leader of Hamas, said the truce would be announced within 48 hours.

"We have agreed to the truce with the Israeli side for one year and a half [in return] for the opening of all six passages between the Gaza Strip and Israel, and the halting of all military activity and aggression," he was quoted as saying by the Egyptian state news agency Mena.

Hamas, he added, would first have to consult with other Palestinian factions.

Taher al-Nono, a member of Hamas's negotiating team in Cairo, was earlier quoted by Reuters as saying that the deal would be announced within three days.

"Most of the obstacles that prevented us from reaching an agreement were resolved," he said.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7887380.stm

WTF? Who the hell is negotiating on the part of Israel? Olmert?
 
Well, Israel is demanding the return of Shalit. Sounds like a fair demand to me. Dude's been held for over two years now. Hamas could certainly gain some goodwill by releasing him, as could the Israelis by reciprocating and emptying their jails of some of their detainees, many of which are being held under dubious terms.

HowStern, I'd like to think everyone's negotiating in good faith, but with the people involved on both sides, just negotiating is a pretty strong step forward. I guess I'm just an eternal optimist for the region, seeing hope being every move. It would be nice to see fruition of those hopes, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
^Yeah I hope. I forget where I read it, I'll google it and edit it in if I can find it, but there was a graph with all data of cease-fires and who broke them first and it was almost always Israel.
 
[quote name='HowStern']^Yeah I hope. I forget where I read it, I'll google it and edit it in if I can find it, but there was a graph with all data of cease-fires and who broke them first and it was almost always Israel.[/QUOTE]
If you have that, I'd like to see it. I'm not trying to put you on the spot so if you don't have it np, but I'm genuinely curious what the data says, what their data points are, etc.
 
[quote name='HowStern']^Yeah I hope. I forget where I read it, I'll google it and edit it in if I can find it, but there was a graph with all data of cease-fires and who broke them first and it was almost always Israel.[/quote]

So you throw your opinion out there, no facts backing it up, and people are just supposed to accept it? If you don't have some kind of statistical proof backing up the argument why even post it?
 
I could say the exact same thing you did, except say I think the palestinians broke all the ceasefires. So, I think that the palestinians did break all the cease fires, and the Israelis were forced to retaliate. I don't have the facts at hand, but I know they are out there.
 
So, in turn, I google to see if you are telling the truth just like you could have done. And you are not. This isn't what I originally read but it's basically the same thing

Non-fighting/Peaceful intervals interrupted by Israel

The graph half way down..
we show here the percentage of times from the Second Intifada in which Israelis ended the period of nonviolence by killing one or more Palestinians (black), the percentage of times that Palestinians ended the period of nonviolence by killing Israelis (grey), and the percentage of times that both sides killed on the same day (white). Virtually all periods of nonviolence lasting more than a week were ended when the Israelis killed Palestinians first. We include here the data from all pause durations that actually occurred.
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First, and most importantly, the ceasefire was remarkably effective: after it began in June 2008, the rate of rocket and mortar fire from Gaza dropped to almost zero

The brilliant woman who wrote this article plainly states the rocket fire went to almost zero. Where I come from, almost ending something means it never ended. So there goes that source.
 
The almost zero days range from 0-3.

Again, since when is almost zero? How about I start shooting a gun at your house everyday. Some days I'll only shoot your house twice, some days i'll shoot it three times, other days just once, and occasionally I will forget to shoot it. You're telling me that you will be just fine with that? That because it's "almost" never that you won't mind? Thats a pretty weak argument you got going on there.
 
If every other day I was throwing molitov cocktails through your windows and burning you with white phosphorous and you were shooting rockets into my house, then yeah those days with 0-3 single measly gunshots would be considered lulls.

Have you done any research on the conflict going on over there? Where's your argument for the fact that the U.N. has had to address Israel over 100+ times while never having to address Palestine?
 
I think Palestine will break it, because those rockets are so prevalent and easy to fire by anyone, that Hamas doesn't even need to be responsible for someone firing one. Israel on the other hand, well it's not too often a rogue Israeli hops in a fighter jet on his own and starts bombing.
 
[quote name='HowStern']If every other day I was throwing molitov cocktails through your windows and burning you with white phosphorous and you were shooting rockets into my house, then yeah those days with 0-3 single measly gunshots would be considered lulls.

Have you done any research on the conflict going on over there? Where's your argument for the fact that the U.N. has had to address Israel over 100+ times while never having to address Palestine?[/quote]

I'm not arguing with you if you come at me with a specific bias and ignore facts. You claim that Israel broke the truce, yet your cited article specifically says that Palestinians continued to fire 0-3 rockets at Israel, everyday. That's breaking a truce. If you don't understand what I just said, you obviously lack the reasoning skills of the average man.
 
It's clear you have no idea what is going on over there. Firing 3 rockets does not make them the instigator. Israel constantly cuts off their food, humanitarian, and medical supplies. (Which you would know if you had a clue about the situation, and read about why the U.N. has gone after Israel 131 times and Palestine 0.) Which can arguably cause as many deaths as a rocket. So, a lull period of fire fighting broken by a Hamas rocket does not mean Hamas is instigating when Israel is not giving them medical supplies and food.

To use your example again: You firing 2 shots at my house = you instigator. Me stealing all your food and then keeping you from medical assistance, and then you fire 2 shots at my house = I, the instigator.

Get a clue about what you are arguing about before you start arguing. Cease-fire agreements don't simply include firefighting. The contracts include open borders and access to food and supplies. Which Israel constantly cuts off, breaking cease-fire deals.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=6636142&page=1
 
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