"91209" Slideshow

Wow, indirect threats of violence (we came unarmed[this time]) and blatant racism (your ears are so big...) that's messed up. But, "Glenn Beck for President?" That's taking it WAY too far.
 
Yes. In the minds of Americans, wanting to give out health care is exactly the same as killing 6 million Jews and countless other people.

A trillion dollar war where we DID kill innocent lives in a country that didn't even attack us? Totally kosher.
 
i dont think point out obama has big ears is racism. but that was some good stuff, some of those were pretty funny. i dont think i can handle politics anymore, its so ridiculous and futile.
 
[quote name='numbier_wun']blatant racism (your ears are so big...) that's messed up. [/QUOTE]

Ya, because all black people have big ears. We've never made fun of a president by pointing out his ears before. Wait, rewind 9 months.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']i dont think point out obama has big ears is racism. but that was some good stuff, some of those were pretty funny. i dont think i can handle politics anymore, its so ridiculous and futile.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I have been feeling the same way lately.
 
There wasn't an uproar like this initially because we all trusted Bush to do what was right. After a year, we figured out it was just a ploy to get Saddam.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Liberal fascism? Awesome.[/QUOTE]

What's hard to believe about that? There is a best selling book of the same name.

In the book, Goldberg argues that contrary to conventional wisdom, fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2] Goldberg has told interviewers that the title Liberal Fascism comes "directly from a speech that H.G. Wells gave to the Young Liberals at Oxford in 1932."[3][4][5] Goldberg claims that Wells had stated that he wanted to "assist in a kind of phoenix rebirth" of liberalism as an "enlightened Nazism."

Goldberg writes that there was more to fascism than bigotry and genocide and, in fact, that bigotry and genocide were not so much a feature of fascism itself, but rather a feature of Nazism, which was forced upon the Italian fascists "after the Nazis had invaded northern Italy and created a puppet government in Salò."[6]
Goldberg argues that over time, the term fascism has lost its actual meaning and instead has descended to the level of being "a modern word for 'heretic,' branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the body politic" and that this devolution of the meaning is not new, noting that George Orwell (a democratic socialist) had observed this in 1946 when he described the word as no longer having any meaning except to signify "something not desirable".[7][7][8]
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I'm not saying I agree with the above, but I am saying that whether fascism is left or right is always up for debate depending on the flavor of fascism at hand.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I'm not saying I agree with the above[/quote]

Thank you Mr. Beck.

but I am saying that whether fascism is left or right is always up for debate depending on the flavor of fascism at hand.
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Authoritarianism? Yes.

Fascism, no.
 
Jonah Goldberg is a blithering fucking idiot and his thesis is ridiculously pisspoor revisionist history.

If that doesn't strike your fancy, there is a best selling series of books about a race of hairy-footed halflings who traverse the world with an in-the-closet pot-smoking wizard to throw a ring into a volcano, which is somehow the catalyst to prevent an omniscient evil power from gaining control of the entirety of the world...but I wouldn't base my political arguments on that fact.
 
It's amazing that so many people on this board are so confident and smart and "get it" regarding politics and religion and yet none of you are famous or rich or successful by any means.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']How is fame and fortune a measurement of one's understanding of politics and religion?[/QUOTE]

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duh.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Jonah Goldberg is a blithering fucking idiot and his thesis is ridiculously pisspoor revisionist history.

If that doesn't strike your fancy, there is a best selling series of books about a race of hairy-footed halflings who traverse the world with an in-the-closet pot-smoking wizard to throw a ring into a volcano, which is somehow the catalyst to prevent an omniscient evil power from gaining control of the entirety of the world...but I wouldn't base my political arguments on that fact.[/QUOTE]

It appears you missed the part where I basically said I don't agree with it. I've never read the book, never intend to. I just posted what I did because of the insinuation that fascism some how auto-correlates to 'right wing'.

[quote name='jputahraptor']It's amazing that so many people on this board are so confident and smart and "get it" regarding politics and religion and yet none of you are famous or rich or successful by any means.[/QUOTE]

It's not hard to be a dishonest liar to swindle people into trusting you so you can become famous, or rich, or successful. It's just that not everyone has the stomach for it.

You can also be famous, rich, successful by being the first guy to keep a "how to make love to a whale" video log, if fame and riches are your goal.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I just posted what I did because of the insinuation that fascism some how auto-correlates to 'right wing'.[/quote]

That is what everyone who isn't Jonah Goldberg or has the slightest bit of clue thinks, mostly because it happens to be true.

puta:
It's amazing that so many people on this board are so confident and smart and "get it" regarding politics and religion and yet none of you are famous or rich or successful by any means.
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Jonah is a D-List con spokesperson basically because of his mom's influence.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']It's amazing that so many people on this board are so confident and smart and "get it" regarding politics and religion and yet none of you are famous or rich or successful by any means.[/QUOTE]

I'm definitely not famous, but please define rich and successful.
 
Hey, I always wanted to learn guitar and I've pretty much gotten it down, so I consider myself successful, and hell I'm sure I'm richer than at least 70-80% of the people on the planet. It's all about comparisons....
 
Anyone else amused by the fact that the guy in Msut's video is an old white man?

Anywhoo, in regards to the photos, ten cents says I could likely find similar photos at Anti-Bush policy rallies from the past 8 years. Signs linking Bush to Hitler. Signs making fun of Bush's ears. Signs questioning Bush's legitimacy as President.

But those were okay, since Bush is white.
 
People were angry at Bush because he lied to get us into a war among a bajillion other things.

These clowns are calling for blood because Obama wants to reform health care.

If you wish to choose to believe there is equivalency there go ahead, it would be utterly wrong and based on nothing more than your fevered imagination but that is how you arrive at every conclusion you make anyway.
 
Bush Lied,
Obama's Secretary of State voted for his agenda
and people died... Yeah, yeah, we all get it... Oh, and he's white. That bastard.
 
Just because the fascist parties of the past used liberal, social, and democratic in their party names, it doesn't make them left wing by any stretch of the imagination.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Bush Lied,
Obama's Secretary of State voted for his agenda
and people died... Yeah, yeah, we all get it... Oh, and he's white. That bastard.[/QUOTE]

Bob, it isn't unexpected to see you squirm around because you have zero facts and no point but would it kill you to have a little pride for once?
 
Exactly Msut. Every time you try to make a point, you either have to lie in order to do it or pull this kind of stuff. Or go in with the name calling to the point where you get moderated. Again and again.

*sigh*
 
Bob, there isn't a single person with an ounce of credibility who is willing to say Bush was correct or honest about the run up to the Iraq war.

Are you willing to make that statement with no stupid questions or qualifiers?

Try not to play games.
 
Did I say Bush was honest? No.

Do you honestly believe that Obama's health care reforms are just about him doing what's best for this country as a whole?
 
[quote name='willardhaven']It troubles me that there wasn't an uproar like this over the Iraq war. I guess it's also my fault for not being more politically active.[/QUOTE]

Wait, what? There were huge protests (for years) over the Iraq war...are you just forgetting or what?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Did I say Bush was honest? No.[/quote]

Implied? Yes.

Do you honestly believe that Obama's health care reforms are just about him doing what's best for this country as a whole?
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I believe I told you not to resort to games Bob.

Like I said, have a little pride.
 
Which part of the bill makes you think this is some sort of shakedown, Bob? Get an actual part of the bill where it says the government is going to raise prices on drugs. Find the actual passage that says that death panels will decide if you get life saving treatment or not. Use actual facts and not just someone else's bullshit to make a point.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Which part of the bill makes you think this is some sort of shakedown, Bob? Get an actual part of the bill where it says the government is going to raise prices on drugs. Find the actual passage that says that death panels will decide if you get life saving treatment or not. Use actual facts and not just someone else's bullshit to make a point.[/QUOTE]

A.) Have you read the bill? All 1,000+ pages of it?

B.) Which part of Bush's proposal for going into war in Iraq said he lied? Find the actual passage that said the war was for oil. Use actual facts and not just someone else's bullshit to make a point.

Wait, does that count as me using your bullshit to make a point?

Point being, I don't expect Obama or any politician to type out in black and white "this is the deal I'm making that'll turn out real well for me and my colleagues in the end". That'd be quite stupid. Although, it'd be nice to have some honestly here...
 
I'd point to Colin Powell's testimony in front of the United Nations. That's not someone else's propaganda. It was live for the world to see. And please don't say that Colin Powell didn't represent Bush.

Did we know it was a lie at the time. I thought something was fishy but I gave the benefit of the doubt because of the messenger. Funny how Powell was gone by the second term, huh?
 
[quote name='depascal22']I'd point to Colin Powell's testimony in front of the United Nations. That's not someone else's propaganda. It was live for the world to see. And please don't say that Colin Powell didn't represent Bush.

Did we know it was a lie at the time. I thought something was fishy but I gave the benefit of the doubt because of the messenger. Funny how Powell was gone by the second term, huh?[/QUOTE]

Bob is only interested in playing games.

Watching him squirm because he has nothing does get old after a while.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Anyone else amused by the fact that the guy in Msut's video is an old white man?

Anywhoo, in regards to the photos, ten cents says I could likely find similar photos at Anti-Bush policy rallies from the past 8 years. Signs linking Bush to Hitler. Signs making fun of Bush's ears. Signs questioning Bush's legitimacy as President.

But those were okay, since Bush is white.[/QUOTE]
Bush narrowly won a very contested election in 2000, of course people were going to question his legitimacy. Look at recent elections in the middle east, same thing basically. I only ever saw a few comparisons of bush to hitler, and i thought they were ridiculous then. Some of this stuff is way worse than that though. They've basically compared Obama to the worst people in history. I'm waiting for Genghis Khan to to be used.

If all they made fun of were his ears, i don't think half as many people would care.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Bush narrowly won a very contested election in 2000, of course people were going to question his legitimacy. Look at recent elections in the middle east, same thing basically. I only ever saw a few comparisons of bush to hitler, and i thought they were ridiculous then. Some of this stuff i way worse than that though. They've basically compared Obama to the worst people in history. I'm waiting for Genghis Khan to to be used.

If all they made fun of were his ears, i don't think half as many people would care.[/QUOTE]

Some of the shit was just straight bizarre like the focus on "czars", Reagan had a drug czar etc as near as I can tell he popularized it.

Reality waved bye bye to them long ago.
 
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Get a brain morans![/QUOTE]

The thing I'm most surprised about with regards to that sign is that "trafficking" was spelled correctly. How odd when at the bottom "by by ACORN and goodby" is written (my personal favorite part). So you can spell "trafficking," a word people often misspell, but you butcher "prostitution" and, even more incredibly, "bye bye"? Morans.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Wait, what? There were huge protests (for years) over the Iraq war...are you just forgetting or what?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps I should have said before the war. Anyway my memory must be hazy as I don't remember seeing huge demonstrations like these. I was a bit younger and not quite in the know however, so it could just be ignorance.

How did this whole public health option get linked to Hitler though? Was he selling his concentration camps as fat camps?
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Perhaps I should have said before the war. Anyway my memory must be hazy as I don't remember seeing huge demonstrations like these. I was a bit younger and not quite in the know however, so it could just be ignorance.

How did this whole public health option get linked to Hitler though? Was he selling his concentration camps as fat camps?[/QUOTE]

There was quite a few demostrations about the new president and being elected by the Supreme Court.

It was only a short 2 years before the Iraq war when we had Bush. And a year and half before that, it was 9/11.

Really there wasn't any room for any thoughts on change be it Health Care or any other hot political item.
 
I really don't understand why people are like terrified of some kind of universal health care? Could someone give me the cliff notes on what's wrong with it? I really don't understand.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I really don't understand why people are like terrified of some kind of universal health care? Could someone give me the cliff notes on what's wrong with it? I really don't understand.[/QUOTE]

People are scared of waiting exorbitant amounts of time for basic care.

For example, you might have to wait a year for an annual physical.

Also, universal health care push people to do preventative things instead of curative things.

For example, you might be told to walk a few miles a day to cure your erectile dysfunction instead of given a bottle of viagra and a girdle to hoist your belly up.
 
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