A Master's Degree in Science from a biblical perspective. Srsly.

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Texas Judge Rips Creationism Group in Science Degree Suit

File this under things you never want a judge to write about you.

Austin federal judge Sam Sparks dismissed a suit by the Dallas-based Institute of Creation Research, which seeks the right to grant a master’s degree in science from a biblical perspective. And by “dismissed,” we mean the judge tore it apart.

But first, a summary of the suit, as reported today by the San Antonio Express-News. The Institute seeks to offer a masters degree that critiques evolution and champions a literal interpretation of the biblical account of creation. Texas’s higher education board nixed the group’s application, because of the proposed program’s creationist slant. This, the Institute contended, was a violation of its First Amendment Rights.

That claim was dismissed by Sparks in an opinion that criticized the Institute’s arguments as incoherent. At one point he writes that he will address the group’s concerns “to the extent [he] is able to understand them.” At another, he describes the group’s filings as “overly verbose, disjointed, incoherent, maundering and full of irrelevant information.” Click here for the judge’s opinion.

ICR is reviewing the ruling and considering appeal, the Express-News reports.

“Religious belief is not science,” Texas Commissioner of Higher Education Raymund Paredes said. “Science and religious belief are surely reconcilable, but they are not the same thing.”

All, however, is not lost for would-be grad students in science through a biblical lens. Students can still get the Institute’s masters in science degree in California, where the Institute has regulatory approval.
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lol California
 
The sad thing is that there are no doubt people would happily go thousands of dolllar's in debt to get a master's that does nothing but re-affirm their beliefs. :roll:
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Isn't Austin the only basin of sanity in Texas?[/QUOTE]
Houston's outgoing mayor is the Democratic candidate for Texas Governor and the latest poll has him in a dead heat with our sitting governor. The incoming mayor is a *gasp* open lesbian.

But yea, Austin has the music. It also has 55,000 screaming children at UT and the state government apparatus.
 
Sounds like TN, lots of democratic governors in the past, but the state always seems to vote republican in presidential elections.
 
Seems like the judge had more of a problem with their pleadings than their actual argument. Did he address the merits at all?
 
[quote name='Magus8472']Seems like the judge had more of a problem with their pleadings than their actual argument. Did he address the merits at all?[/QUOTE]
A summary judgment was handed down which means one side has overwhelming evidence, to the point that a full trial is unnecessary. The judge can't answer questions not asked. The creationists argued that since they were private they aren't responsible for maintaining the Education Code and free speech, which is basically crazy talk for saying they want their degree recognized by the state but don't want to have to comply with the rules set forth by the Education dept and if you don't let them, you're violating their right to free speech. There's a little free exercise in there too, in case everyone wasn't sure how big an ass the lawyer was being (help! I'm being oppressed!).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33449642/...g-in-ICR-v-Texas-Higher-Ed-Coordinating-Board
 
[quote name='Xevious']Good luck getting a job with that degree.[/QUOTE]

You'll become secretary of education in the Palin administration.

Go ahead, chuckle at that. You'll choke when it hits you that it may be true.
 
[quote name='Strell']Sure is people-not-living-in-Texas-talking-about-Texas in here. That's always fun to see.[/QUOTE]
Because you totally have to live there to care. :applause:
 
I believe in creationism vs. the typical science explanation but I'd never try and make it a "concentration" in a science program at a university. Just don't take science. WTF?
 
[quote name='davo1224']I believe in creationism vs. the typical science explanation but I'd never try and make it a "concentration" in a science program at a university. Just don't take science. WTF?[/QUOTE]
Creationism and Science are completely different things. One is for people who don't understand it and feel God is messing with our minds, the other is for people who want to understand and feel God's giving us clues.

:bouncy:
 
[quote name='dorino']Creationism and Science are completely different things. One is for people who don't understand it and feel God is messing with our minds, the other is for people who want to understand and feel God's giving us clues.

:bouncy:[/QUOTE]

of course he thinks god already gave us clues in a magical book.

It only takes this guy 2 minutes 8 seconds to destroy that myth..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA
 
I'd like to think they're two different things except where people feel they conflict. "Science" in the colloquial sense or atleast how people think of it is a secular explanation of all things.
 
[quote name='Cantatus']I always liked, "Science explains the how. Religion explains the why."[/QUOTE]

Problem is, why religion asserts the why as well. ;) And the assertion itself usually raises a much bigger set of questions than it answers.
 
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