According to Kojima, MGS 4 probably not headed to 360

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Oh my, I might as well fan the flames a bit more: http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php

Pity. So, Devil May Cry 4, going multiplatform. Thoughts? Comments? "I think it's up to each project, and the individual producer", he says. "If they want to take it multiplatform, they will". I'm going somewhere with this question, and he knows exactly where that is...

"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day.

Since we've opened up this can of worms, I may as well get his thoughts on it. Why, I ask, do you think this rumour simply refuses to go away? "Because 360 owners want it on 360, obviously", he quips.
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Discuss/Bitch.
 
These means nothing.

"It's made for the Ps3... yadda yadda...."

It costs a shitload to make and when they aren't happy with the PS3 sales they will "dumb it down" for the 360. If they are happy with the PS3 sales (HAHAHAHAHA) than it will just stay with PS3.

It has nothing do with "movie theatre" game or whatever the hell he was talknig about, if it doesn't make enough money it will be ported to the 360, easy as thta.
 
Well then, at the very least, you've established that it'll be dumbed down for any 360 release. So either it won't come out on the 360, or it'll be flawed.
 
Yea, David's right. This means little. Personally, I think we will see MGS4 be exclusive, but MGS4: Subwhatever, will be multi (PC, 360, PS3).
 
[quote name='dpatel']Yea, David's right. This means little. Personally, I think we will see MGS4 be exclusive, but MGS4: Subwhatever, will be multi (PC, 360, PS3).[/QUOTE]

Personally, I think the inevitable revised version will be multiplatform. I'd definitely grab the PC version of that assuming it's not a mess like Substance was on the PC.
 
"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform"

I like Kojima, but I have no idea what the hell he means.
 
[quote name='trq']"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform"

I like Kojima, but I have no idea what the hell he means.[/QUOTE]

You have to read the article. I omitted the part where he says:

"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family".
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[quote name='trq']"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform"

I like Kojima, but I have no idea what the hell he means.[/QUOTE]

"I'm a graphics whore and I wish everyone saw my games as movies because I'd rather be making movies, which is like making a turkey sub instead of a puny cup of tea."

That'd be my guess.
 
I'm sure Kojima and Konami will have different opinions when they see the numbers for GTA4, DMC4, and Virtua Fighter 5. I think Xbox 360 is outselling PS3 4 to 1 (somewhere around that figure) and even if 360 sales grind to a halt and PS3 becomes hot, by the time GTA IV and VF5 hits, 360 will probably still have at least 3 times the user base the PS3 has simply due to having a year head start.

What are the heads of Konami going to think when they see someone like Rockstar and Capcom not just doubling their money by releasing Xbox 360 versions, but actually tripling their money since the 360 versions will probably outsell the PS3 versions simply due to user base?
 
[quote name='Kendro']I'm sure Kojima and Konami will have different opinions when they see the numbers for GTA4, DMC4, and Virtua Fighter 5. I think Xbox 360 is outselling PS3 4 to 1 (somewhere around that figure) and even if 360 sales grind to a halt and PS3 becomes hot, by the time GTA IV and VF5 hits, 360 will probably still have at least 3 times the user base the PS3 has simply due to having a year head start.

What are the heads of Konami going to think when they see someone like Rockstar and Capcom not just doubling their money by releasing Xbox 360 versions, but actually tripling their money since the 360 versions will probably outsell the PS3 versions simply due to user base?[/quote]

The wii is out selling the ps3 the 360 and ps3 are very close unless you mean total consoles. 360 near 10 million and ps3 is at 3 million
 
I think Sony will pony up the money and keep it exclusive through the holiday season at least. If 360 continues to dominate the North American market they will probably make a version. If PS3 closes installed base by the end of the year no 360 version.
 
[quote name='Kendro']I'm sure Kojima and Konami will have different opinions when they see the numbers for GTA4, DMC4, and Virtua Fighter 5. I think Xbox 360 is outselling PS3 4 to 1 (somewhere around that figure) and even if 360 sales grind to a halt and PS3 becomes hot, by the time GTA IV and VF5 hits, 360 will probably still have at least 3 times the user base the PS3 has simply due to having a year head start.

What are the heads of Konami going to think when they see someone like Rockstar and Capcom not just doubling their money by releasing Xbox 360 versions, but actually tripling their money since the 360 versions will probably outsell the PS3 versions simply due to user base?[/QUOTE]
Not that I care about sales numbers or who is winning but where did you get your information that the 360 is outselling the PS3 4 to 1. And I'm sure VF5 will do decent on the 360 but in the US it's not a top selling game. I think DMC 4 and GTA 4 sales if they are so overwhelming on the 360 over the PS3 might change Konamis minds but def not VF5. And right now the 360 does have a huge lead because it has been out a year longer (not to mention a lot more games). So if the PS3 does get hot like you said and comes out with some games people want, how can you say the 360 will still have a 3 to 1 lead. This is all assumption and random guessing.
 
I think he means, he wants it to be like a Hi-Def movie, so he needs the extra space of blu-ray, plus he's Japanese and likes Sony better than MS I am sure. :) And I never knew Hideo was such a short, puny dude.... Plus, does MGS really sell that well in NA anyways? IS it really the type of game the xbox 360 base likes, seeing how the top selling games on it are always Halo, and other FPS?
 
Just like Devil May Cry 4, and Virtua Fighter, and how Liberty City Stories wasn't coming to PS2, right?

I'll believe it when I don't see it. There's no way they can deny that much of the NA market by not putting it on 360.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Just like Devil May Cry 4, and Virtua Fighter, and how Liberty City Stories wasn't coming to PS2, right?

I'll believe it when I don't see it. There's no way they can deny that much of the NA market by not putting it on 360.[/quote]

Not to mention the creator of R4 said he would cut off his own head if the game ever appeared on another console other then the gamecube.

Game designers don't call the shots on this type of thing.
 
Kojima is a rather sneaky fellow. I woulden't believe him.


I'm still convinced a 360 version will eventually emerge, despite what Kojima says. Considering the rather low PS3 sales and high development costs of this project how will they recoup it with a single console release?
 
"Dumb down" doesn't mean much with the 360. What I meant was they weren't gonig to spend the time to fix the game to make it amazing on the 360. If they wanted they could make it look and play the same for both systems. The PS3 will be the main thing but a 360 version will look greattoo. It will not be like the GC - PS2 version of RE4 where the GC version looks amazing and the the PS2 version looks like shit.

I can almost garentee that some form of MGS4 will be on the 360 sometime before the 360 dies.
 
what this really means is that it'll probably be handled just like MGS2 when it actually went multi platform which could lead to a hampered port since the Sony consoles are so specialized.
 
The Metal Gear series may be "Kojima's baby" but at the end of the day its not really up to him so he can complain about a 360 port all he wants but if the higher-ups decide they want it, its gonna happen.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']what this really means is that it'll probably be handled just like MGS2 when it actually went multi platform which could lead to a hampered port since the Sony consoles are so specialized.[/quote]

I heard the only problem with MGS2: Substance on Xbox was in one part where it rains (there was some slowdown)....

I only own it on PS2 though, and to me it was one of the most dissappoiting games of all time (to think I actually paid $50 for it back then...).
 
[quote name='Rozz']I heard the only problem with MGS2: Substance on Xbox was in one part where it rains (there was some slowdown)....

I only own it on PS2 though, and to me it was one of the most dissappoiting games of all time (to think I actually paid $50 for it back then...).[/QUOTE]

Yea, there were only a few minor issues. But, consider it was going from a significantly weaker system to a superior system, those should not have been there. It was a terrible port job, but was okay, because the xbox was quite a bit more powerful.
 
Isn't a developer interview confirming exclusivity to one console actually the first step in the game eventually going multiplatform?
 
[quote name='Scorch']Isn't a developer interview confirming exclusivity to one console actually the first step in the game eventually going multiplatform?[/quote]
Although I would usually agree with this, Hideo Kojima is no ordinary developer. He's a pretty big name and a very well respected guy and I am sure has more pull then your average joe schmo.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Not that I care about sales numbers or who is winning but where did you get your information that the 360 is outselling the PS3 4 to 1. And I'm sure VF5 will do decent on the 360 but in the US it's not a top selling game. I think DMC 4 and GTA 4 sales if they are so overwhelming on the 360 over the PS3 might change Konamis minds but def not VF5. And right now the 360 does have a huge lead because it has been out a year longer (not to mention a lot more games). So if the PS3 does get hot like you said and comes out with some games people want, how can you say the 360 will still have a 3 to 1 lead. This is all assumption and random guessing.[/quote]
LOL, I was just pulling the 4 to 1 ratio out of my ass. :D (Edit - But upon further inspection, NexGen Wars estimates 360 sold 10.5 million units, PS3 2.5 million, and Wii at 5.3 million so I was somewhat close).

But my main point was that I figure games like GTA4 and VF5 (regardless of how popular it is or isn't in the US) will sell many more units on 360 compared to the PS3 simply because the 360 has a much higher user installed base.

And Konami could theoretically think to themselves, "We can release MGS4 only on the PS3 and make X amount of dollars, or we can do what Capcom and Rockstar are doing with GTA4 and DMC4 and release it for both systems and make 2 to 3 times the profit."
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Although I would usually agree with this, Hideo Kojima is no ordinary developer. He's a pretty big name and a very well respected guy and I am sure has more pull then your average joe schmo.[/QUOTE]

Yea. I have a lot of respect for Kojima. But, like someone else said, it isn't up to him where this game goes. He may have some say, but if Konami feels they need more sales, it will go to the 360 regardless of what Kojima says.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Yea. I have a lot of respect for Kojima. But, like someone else said, it isn't up to him where this game goes. He may have some say, but if Konami feels they need more sales, it will go to the 360 regardless of what Kojima says.[/quote]

Yeah, it will be an interesting battle. Just reminds me of Dave Jaffe. Sony asked him what he wanted to do after Twisted Metal Black, he said god of War. Which I am sure sony was a bit skeptical about seeing how that is a huge jump in genre's, but it turned out for the best. And now, Dave Jaffe wants to make D/L content, and sony lets him. So I guess if you make a lot of money for a company, most of the time they will be more willing to cooperate with your ideas.
 
If Sony is smart, they will pay Konami for this to stay exclusive. It will sell systems, and they can handle the initial loss over the long run. It's not like the PS2 where Sony was already crushing the XBox in sales and didn't really worry about fighting for marketshare - this is a flagship title and should remain as such to increase the install base.
 
it's going to be ported. compress the shit out of the movie that take up the blu-ray disc, and there you go, dvd-9 for xbox 360. i refuse to believe ANY 3rd party exclusive (as in forever). Maybe a 6 month to 1 year buffer. Not going to happen this generation. It's about the rise of the 1st parties.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Yeah, it will be an interesting battle. Just reminds me of Dave Jaffe. Sony asked him what he wanted to do after Twisted Metal Black, he said god of War. Which I am sure sony was a bit skeptical about seeing how that is a huge jump in genre's, but it turned out for the best. And now, Dave Jaffe wants to make D/L content, and sony lets him. So I guess if you make a lot of money for a company, most of the time they will be more willing to cooperate with your ideas.[/QUOTE]

True. But the thing is, this situation is a little different. The end result is clear. Port and make/lose X amount of money (dependent on installed base of either console and cost of porting). There are really no advantages to keeping it exclusives, unless Sony is able to pay them enough to keep it.
 
I think it will be PS3-only, at least initially, or be reported as such. If the install base isn't up to a certain amount as the game approaches gold, I think they'll get to work on a MGS4 Special Edition for the 360.

The budget for this game has to be huge, and if Konami can't turn a decent profit as a PS3 exclusive, I wouldn't be shocked to see it go to the 360, and MGS5 will be a simultaneous PS3/360 release.
 
[quote name='dpatel']True. But the thing is, this situation is a little different. The end result is clear. Port and make/lose X amount of money (dependent on installed base of either console and cost of porting). There are really no advantages to keeping it exclusives, unless Sony is able to pay them enough to keep it.[/quote]

Yeah, but quite Honestly, I don't see the Xbox 360 fan base as the type that loves MGS, so I don't think they would make THAT Much more money on it anyways.
 
[quote name='Walt Jay']I think it will be PS3-only, at least initially, or be reported as such. If the install base isn't up to a certain amount as the game approaches gold, I think they'll get to work on a MGS4 Special Edition for the 360.

The budget for this game has to be huge, and if Konami can't turn a decent profit as a PS3 exclusive, I wouldn't be shocked to see it go to the 360, and MGS5 will be a simultaneous PS3/360 release.[/QUOTE]
If there's an MGS5.

I'm pretty sure I remember Kojima saying MGS4 is the end of the "solid" series. I'm guessing he wants to make a game thats not Metal Gear (ZOE3 plz, thx).
 
Why do people want this game on the 360... it's a Playstation 3 game... 360 got plenty of games and exclusives.. if you want MGS4, then buy Playstation 3...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Why do people want this game on the 360... it's a Playstation 3 game... 360 got plenty of games and exclusives.. if you want MGS4, then buy Playstation 3...[/quote]

I agree with this, but if I owned a 360 and was loving it I would just rather the game came out for both systems that way I could play it. I think this game should be exclusive to be PS3. As someone said earlier I don't think a 360 release would do big numbers...just judging from people I know who own a 360, only a couple are into the series. It doesn't seem like a 360 game, IDK.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Why do people want this game on the 360... it's a Playstation 3 game... 360 got plenty of games and exclusives.. if you want MGS4, then buy Playstation 3...[/quote]

Very logical.
 
[quote name='Kendro']LOL, I was just pulling the 4 to 1 ratio out of my ass. :D (Edit - But upon further inspection, NexGen Wars estimates 360 sold 10.5 million units, PS3 2.5 million, and Wii at 5.3 million so I was somewhat close).

But my main point was that I figure games like GTA4 and VF5 (regardless of how popular it is or isn't in the US) will sell many more units on 360 compared to the PS3 simply because the 360 has a much higher user installed base.

And Konami could theoretically think to themselves, "We can release MGS4 only on the PS3 and make X amount of dollars, or we can do what Capcom and Rockstar are doing with GTA4 and DMC4 and release it for both systems and make 2 to 3 times the profit."[/QUOTE]
It isn't outselling the PS3 4 to 1 but has around that number of a user base. PS3 has only been out since November so if you compare numbers from that date to now then you can get a figure not a total user base number. And when GTA4 and VF5 come out you don't know if the PS3 will have a closer margin or not. Obviously if it stays this wide of a gap it would be stupid for Konami profit wise not to put MGS4 on 360.
 
[quote name='Kendro']LOL, I was just pulling the 4 to 1 ratio out of my ass. :D (Edit - But upon further inspection, NexGen Wars estimates 360 sold 10.5 million units, PS3 2.5 million, and Wii at 5.3 million so I was somewhat close).[/QUOTE]
If you take the sales from the first 5 months of 360 sales vs first 5 months of PS3 sales the PS3 is actually ahead.
 
360 fans probably don't even care about MGS4, and just want the game on their system to spite Sony and the PS3. I like Gears of War... but its a 360 game... and I'm alright with that, when I'm ready to play it, I'll go get my 360. But hey... how about Gears on PS3, and then we can send MGS4 to the 360.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']360 fans probably don't even care about MGS4, and just want the game on their system to spite Sony and the PS3. I like Gears of War... but its a 360 game... and I'm alright with that, when I'm ready to play it, I'll go get my 360. But hey... how about Gears on PS3, and then we can send MGS4 to the 360.[/QUOTE]

That's what irks me the most. It's fine if you geniunly want the game for the 360 to actually play it, but to just have the game so you can throw something in Sony's face makes me sick. Whatever happened to people just being 'gamers'.
 
My gripe with this trhead: this is 360 news, in the wrong section. Placing it here is an obvious flamefest setup.

With that said, MGS4 is coming to 360, whether or not Kojima-san thinks / wants it not to happen. Once initial sales bomb, Konami is going to be in a world of financial hurt. And the only way to ease that hurt is with a bunch of DS games and a 360 port.
 
[quote name='dallow']360 will get MGS4: Super Secret Files, or something, no doubt.

Or possibly MGS4: Non HD edition.[/QUOTE]

Non HD edition? How is PS3 HD and 360 not HD? Both are capable of HD graphics.
 
I love the Metal Gear Solid series and the mythos; it would be convenient and more affordable for me to have it on the 360. I do not subscribe to the whole "console warz" thing and plan on buying a PS3 sooner or later, but at this point it would be much simpler/convenient/affordable for me if MGS4 makes it onto the 360 - that is why I am rooting for it to go multiplatform.
 
What are the software sales of MGS2 on the Xbox versus the PS2?

Also, how would these have changed if the game was released simultaneously on each system?
 
[quote name='Thomas96']360 fans probably don't even care about MGS4, and just want the game on their system to spite Sony and the PS3. I like Gears of War... but its a 360 game... and I'm alright with that, when I'm ready to play it, I'll go get my 360. But hey... how about Gears on PS3, and then we can send MGS4 to the 360.[/QUOTE]

Well Gears is an MS studio game. If Sony ever makes a good PS3 game maybe they would want to swap that with Gears of War.

3rd party developers are going to do whatever makes them the most money. It would be stupid for them to do otherwise.

Since this generation is going to be less of a dominant winner expect nearly all 3rd party games to be available on both systems. I think this is a great thing, I want to wait on purchasing another system for as long as possible. My gaming budget is rather tight.
 
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