Al Sharpton the bigot

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- Civil rights activist Al Sharpton, who led the charge to have radio host Don Imus fired for making racially insensitive remarks, is now under fire for a comment about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon faith.
During a debate on religion and politics at the New York Public Library with atheist author Christopher Hitchens, Sharpton said, "As for the one Mormon running for office, those that really believe in God will defeat him anyway, so don't worry about that. That's a temporary situation."
On the campaign trail in Iowa Wednesday, Romney fired back, calling Sharpton's comment "terribly misguided.""It shows that bigotry still exists in some corners," Romney said. "I thought it was a most unfortunate comment to make."
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/09/sharpton.romney/

Wish I could say I was surprised...
 
[quote name='camoor']http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/09/sharpton.romney/

Wish I could say I was surprised...[/QUOTE]

You know, there was a pretty interesting poll around the last presidential election, where New Yorkers were asked if they would be more or less likely to vote for a candidate that Al Sharpton endorsed. Obviously I don't recall the exact numbers, but "less likely" was the larger number by quite a few percentage points.

Proof that he would do his "side" a favor if he would just shut the fuck up.
 
It's a rare day that I can even figure out what Sharpton is trying to say, much less agree with him. But let's be real here. For once, he said something that a vast group of Americans probably agree with.

Bigot? I dunno about that one.

Just for clarity, I don't give a whit about Mormonism, Christianity, or *insert religion here*. I have no horse in this race.
 
[quote name='speedracer']It's a rare day that I can even figure out what Sharpton is trying to say, much less agree with him. But let's be real here. For once, he said something that a vast group of Americans probably agree with.

Bigot? I dunno about that one.

Just for clarity, I don't give a whit about Mormonism, Christianity, or *insert religion here*. I have no horse in this race.[/QUOTE]

...and there was probably plenty of people who agreed that the Rutgers Women's Basketball team are a bunch of "nappy headed hoes" yet that didn't stop others for screaming for Imus's head on a stake.
 
well the Mormon church isnt really the pillar of tolerance and understanding, it didnt allow black people to join until like 62 or 65. I don't really like Sharpton's comments but its pretty true that polygamy creeps a lot of people out, and even though he does not practice it is still what everyone thinks of and that will hurt him in the polls come the primaries
 
During one of Sharpton's logically devoid tirades on one of the news networks, he profoundly stated, "I shouldn't have to apologize for something I believe in."

That's not too contradictory, is it?
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']well the Mormon church isnt really the pillar of tolerance and understanding, it didnt allow black people to join until like 62 or 65. I don't really like Sharpton's comments but its pretty true that polygamy creeps a lot of people out, and even though he does not practice it is still what everyone thinks of and that will hurt him in the polls come the primaries[/QUOTE]

You do know Mormons haven't practiced polygamy since before 1900, right?
 
[quote name='speedracer']It's a rare day that I can even figure out what Sharpton is trying to say, much less agree with him. But let's be real here. For once, he said something that a vast group of Americans probably agree with.

Bigot? I dunno about that one.

Just for clarity, I don't give a whit about Mormonism, Christianity, or *insert religion here*. I have no horse in this race.[/QUOTE]

Regarding the bolded part, I was having dinner with my mother on Sunday (as we tend to do on Mother's Day), and I asked her about what she thinks of the Republican lineup for 2008 thus far. She went on a rampant tirade about Romney - and that's fine, because he's the right's John Kerry - an effete, flip-flopping know-it-all Massachusetts liberal (at least relative to the other candidates, at any rate).

She didn't really deal with that frame at all, and was more than happy to throw down the "man those Mormons are pretty fucked up as a people and I don't want any Mormon in the White House" argument. I think you're onto something - non-Protestant candidates find themselves in tough spots. Leibermann's Judaism became a (minor) issue, Kerry's Catholicism became a (minor) issue - hell, JFK's Catholicism was a major issue for him in 1960 as well. We're no longer in 1960, but we're not at all free from the shackles that question all politicians' faiths that aren't Protestant. (see also: Ellison, Keith)

It's pretty easy to discredit Romney, IMO, without tackling the "Mormon" issue. Anyone so wishy-washy on abortion is not a candidate you want to have, no matter your stance on the issue (do you trust him to uphold or overturn Roe v. Wade if elected?) Moreover, his recent joining of the NRA just reeks of political opportunism. He doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting the nomination; I just wish that it was the result of him being an inconsistent and unprincipled opportunist, and not "some fuckin' weirdo Mormon."
 
Say what you want about Romney's religion or political views but he's probably the most decent human being candidate in either party.
 
[quote name='dopa345']Say what you want about Romney's religion or political views but he's probably the most decent human being candidate in either party.[/QUOTE]
How do you figure?
 
[quote name='elprincipe']You do know Mormons haven't practiced polygamy since before 1900, right?[/QUOTE]


yes but it is a stigma of that religion, that prob won't go away anytime soon. If anything Id think native americans and jews would be more offended by him being mormon than anyone. The fact the Mormons still believe Native Americans were Jews who did not accept god when he came to America and turned their skin dark because of it
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']...and there was probably plenty of people who agreed that the Rutgers Women's Basketball team are a bunch of "nappy headed hoes" yet that didn't stop others for screaming for Imus's head on a stake.[/QUOTE]
Swing and a miss. There's getting it over here and then there's you, way over there.
[quote name='Brak']During one of Sharpton's logically devoid tirades on one of the news networks, he profoundly stated, "I shouldn't have to apologize for something I believe in."

That's not too contradictory, is it?[/QUOTE]
That's also a statement probably supported by far more people than not.
[quote name='mykevermin']It's pretty easy to discredit Romney, IMO, without tackling the "Mormon" issue. Anyone so wishy-washy on abortion is not a candidate you want to have, no matter your stance on the issue (do you trust him to uphold or overturn Roe v. Wade if elected?) Moreover, his recent joining of the NRA just reeks of political opportunism. He doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting the nomination; I just wish that it was the result of him being an inconsistent and unprincipled opportunist, and not "some fuckin' weirdo Mormon."[/QUOTE]
What a bizarro world, huh? I mean wow, he didn't even hide it well. What a sad state of affairs Republican presidential politics is in right now. I have Democratic party people friends that are begging the gods for a shot against Romney. They've got the clips of Romney dogging the NRA, demanding freedom of choice in abortion, and Mass's pseudo-socialized medicine program ready to go. I'm surprised McCain is waiting so long to go dirty with em. Maybe he's hoping Rudy'll do it for him.

I grew up non-denominational Christian. They prided themselves on being open to anyone. And yet, I distinctly remember an anti-Mormon sentiment. With the flip-flopping he doesn't have a chance, but I don't think he ever really had one anyway being Mormon. I really think he'd have had a much better chance if he ran as a Dem.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Swing and a miss. There's getting it over here and then there's you, way over there.
[/QUOTE]

My point was that just because many people agree with someone's rantings/statements/beliefs it doesn't necessarily mean those statements are "right" like you seemed to imply. Perhaps I should have used Hitler and the Nazis to make my point but that argument is so cliche these days.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']You do know Mormons haven't practiced polygamy since before 1900, right?[/quote]

What exactly is the problem with polygamy?

The only thing I disagree with is the sexist nature - I think if people want to live together in any arrangement, it's their own business.
 
[quote name='camoor']What exactly is the problem with polygamy?

The only thing I disagree with is the sexist nature - I think if people want to live together in any arrangement, it's their own business.[/quote]

You answered your own question. The problem is that polygamy is sexual slavery of women who are usually born into it. The men can hide behind their religion and claim that God made them do it.
 
I hate Al Sharpton, but the Mormon religion is just as big of a fraud as scientology. God I love South Park.... dum dum dum dum dum!
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']You answered your own question. The problem is that polygamy is sexual slavery of women who are usually born into it. The men can hide behind their religion and claim that God made them do it.[/quote]

Something tells me that whether it was three women and one man or three men and one woman - there would be at least one voting block in America that would still have a problem (you know - it's the same one that has a problem with man and man or woman and woman)

If any coersion occured, that is obviously a violation of the law. I just have a problem with the morality police who take advantage and muddy the issue.
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']You answered your own question. The problem is that polygamy is sexual slavery of women who are usually born into it. The men can hide behind their religion and claim that God made them do it.[/QUOTE]

There are ardent feminists who believe that marriage between 1 man and 1 woman is sexual slavery of women who are born into the cultural tradition of marriage. I guess your god must be better than everyone else's.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']My point was that just because many people agree with someone's rantings/statements/beliefs it doesn't necessarily mean those statements are "right" like you seemed to imply. Perhaps I should have used Hitler and the Nazis to make my point but that argument is so cliche these days.[/QUOTE]
I get you, but I think it's water under the bridge. I mean really, "believing" in a religion is by nature a necessarily exclusive event. Sharpton just said it out loud.
 
[quote name='speedracer']I mean really, "believing" in a religion is by nature a necessarily exclusive event. [/quote]

Especially when it comes to divisions and wars between christian sects.

Boy those Lilliputians and Blefuscians can really go at it.
 
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