Am I gay bacause I drive this car?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/f...ef=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

RON GEREN, an actor in Los Angeles, commutes to auditions and jobs throughout Southern California in a sleek black Mazda MX-5 Miata convertible. But for a recent date with a woman, he rented a Cadillac Escalade because he was so used to friends saying his Miata is “gay.”

“Guys say, ‘Hey, that’s cute,’ ” Mr. Geren, 40, said, adding that the comments come from gay as well as straight men. “You have to fend off that perception.”

A few years ago, Meghan Daum, an op-ed contributor to The Los Angeles Times, wrote about a promising first date with a man that never led to a second one because, she later learned, the guy saw that she drove a Subaru Outback station wagon and concluded she must be a lesbian.

And when Joe LaMuraglia, the founder of Gaywheels.com, an informational site modeled on the likes of Autoweb.com, told his partner he wanted to buy a Mini Cooper convertible, the boyfriend joked that he would not be seen in it because the couple “would look like such a gay cliché,” Mr. LaMuraglia said.

Cars are no more straight or gay than cellphones, office chairs or weed whackers. But in recent years that truism has not stopped a perception among some motorists that certain cars can, in the right context, be statements about a driver’s sexual orientation.

At a time when car makers are marketing aggressively to gay consumers and mainstream culture has become more literate about stereotypically gay tastes through television shows like “Will & Grace” and “The L Word” (on which one of the main characters, Alice, drove a Mini Cooper), it may not be surprising that some people make such assumptions about motorists based on their cars.

Indeed, the extravagant displays of muscle car machismo and sensuous, high-design femininity on display this week at the New York International Auto Show at the Javits Center would seem to cry out for deconstruction along gender- and sexual-identity lines.

But to some people, such stereotyping is homophobia, pure and simple. A poll seeking to determine the most gay automobiles, conducted by a South African Web site, was a topic of heated interest last December on Gizmodo, the New York-based technology blog, where one reader wrote: “Since when are cars gay or straight? We’re really polling people’s prejudices here.”

Others, though, including gay theorists, say many gay motorists happily embrace certain cars as reflections of identity.

“People presume you want to throw off a stereotype,” said Judith Halberstam, a lesbian who is a professor of gender studies at the University of Southern California. She drives a black Mazda 3 hatchback that she considers “butch.” But, she said, “If you are a masculine woman, you might not feel bad about it, so you might become excited about knowing how to fix your pickup, or driving a ’68 Mustang.”

“Not all gays want to present an image that is normative,” she said.

Ramone Johnson is a gay journalist and former Saturn engineer who compiles an annual “Top 10 Gay Cars” list for About.com, which is owned by The New York Times Company. Mr. Johnson said that “traditionally we are used to being defined by others.” Driving a stylish car can be a way of “taking control back” and saying “this is who I am,” he said.

Mr. Johnson maintains that “soft lines” and a “vibrant personality” — say like those on a Volkswagen New Beetle — are typical attributes of a gay man’s car, and fashion-forward red gauges and other styling cues, for example, make the Pontiac G6 more of a gay car than its sibling, the Grand Am, because the features express a taste for freedom and fun.

Neither automobile manufacturers nor dealers compile statistics on the sexual orientation of buyers.

Frank Markus, who is gay and the technical director for Motor Trend magazine, said auto companies tend to associate gay consumers with higher disposable incomes since fewer have children (one reason many are free to opt for less practical cars, like two-seaters or convertibles, as well). Tellingly, when the American Family Association, a conservative Christian group, pressured the Ford Motor Company to pull advertising from gay publications like The Advocate in 2005, the ads were for Land Rover and Jaguar, two high-end brands owned by Ford.

Subaru has been the most prominent company to embrace the gay market. As long ago as 2000, the automaker created advertising campaigns around Martina Navratilova, the gay tennis star, and also used a sales slogan that was a subtle gay-rights message: “It’s not a choice. It’s the way we’re built.” Little wonder that many lesbians refer to their Outbacks as “Lesbarus.”

Even General Motors recently began to include questions about sexual orientation on some internal market surveys, although data are not yet compiled, said Adam Bernard, who tracks the product strategies of G.M.’s competitors and who also coordinates an advocacy group for gay employees at the company called GM Plus. Since 2003, he said, the group has consulted with marketing executives at the company about increasing sales to gay consumers.

Lacking a precise portrait of its gay car buyers, the company still has taken increasing strides to break into this market, Mr. Bernard said, advertising its Cadillac, Saturn and Saab divisions in gay publications and Web sites like PlanetOut.com.

Company executives, he said, do not seem to feel skittish about losing market share among straight consumers if gay buyers suddenly seize on a particular model. “I don’t think internally we ever asked the question, ‘If we put Cadillac in The Advocate, are we going to lose straight Cadillac buyers?’ ”

“Frankly,” he added, “the money’s all the same color.”

Mr. Markus of Motor Trend said clichés about gay drivers tend to collapse on close inspection, like the gay man who is a “gym bunny” and gravitates toward Jeeps and convertibles “to show off his hot body.” But, he added, “If you could actually push a button and see what every gay person drives, it’s probably not too different from what the average person drives, but it might skew higher in price.”

On Gaywheels.com, one indicator of actual gay buying trends is the list of vehicles most frequently researched. As of last October, the Toyota Yaris, a $12,000 economy car, led that list, followed by the Toyota Camry, which was the No. 3-selling car in America last year.

It would be hard to find a more conventional automobile.

Interesting...
 
Reminds me of that episode of Yes, Dear, where Greg buys a Miata and everyone says is a chick car. Honestly, I hate that shit. The Miata is one sleek little car and car easily do some damage lightly modified. Just because its a low slung compact sports car thats also a convertable, doesn't mean its a "gay" car or a "chick" car. The BMW Z3 is the same size (albet better heh), but you don't see people calling it either of those two things...

[quote name='Xevious']Do you have a picture of the car?[/QUOTE]

Here ya go:

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Perceptions can really be a problem. Does driving the car make you gay? I don't think so. I drove a Miata once and I didn't get a strong urge to suck a dick, but that's not to say I didn't like it (tiny-ass car). This type of thing extends to a ton of other products. I can't order a fucking Mojito without someone commenting on how "fruity" it is.
 
dont flame or hate me, but I think its a gay car. I more expected this thread to be about a VW though, more specifically the jetta. I thought that was the national gay guy car.

Something can be gay with no sexual meaning by the way.
 
[quote name='mang9432']if you have to ask... then yes.[/QUOTE]


Exactly, just come out of the closet now and save some time.

What makes you gay is what you do in the back seat of a car, not the car itself.

And the BMW Z3 is a girl's car. i have never seen a guy in real life drive one.
 
No, that car doesn't make you gay any more than driving a Sedan or a Volvo makes you straight.

You actually rented a car to go on a date to impress a girl? Damn, dude... that's just rediculous. If a date's going to make up her mind about you based on what kind of car you drive, then she's not worth your time, period.
 
[quote name='johnnypark']No, that car doesn't make you gay any more than driving a Sedan or a Volvo makes you straight.

You actually rented a car to go on a date to impress a girl? Damn, dude... that's just rediculous. If a date's going to make up her mind about you based on what kind of car you drive, then she's not worth your time, period.[/quote]

I totally agree with that last sentence. I will admit that the only conclusions I jump to about cars is when I see some dipshit driving a Hummer or a conversion van. I swear, it seems as though if you drive a conversion van, your driving skills get reduced to pretty much nihil
 
Gay? I don't think so. A fine sports car, especially for the CHEAPASS who can't afford a BMW Z4 or isn't able to find a mint Del Sol. Although, quite honestly, the handling is quite better than the Z4 and it's just as reliable as the Del Sol without some of the build problems.. If you don't need the space [cargo] and have no kids and no immediate plans of kids, then why not get a cute little car you like? How is driving a white box, vanilla car make you any more straight or gay? Or do all men have to drive Hummers, Excursions, and Corvettes now? I would rather a guy have a Miata than a Mustang.

Seriously, the Roadster just gets NO respect in the US. Pontiac messes it up by adding half a ton of weight to it, Saturn rapes it and makes it look like some bubbly VW clone, and every other make just seems to think it's pointless to make them. I'm pretty sure 9/10 of you guys would love to drive this

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[quote name='sarausagi']Seriously, the Roadster just gets NO respect in the US. Pontiac messes it up by adding half a ton of weight to it, Saturn rapes it and makes it look like some bubbly VW clone, and every other make just seems to think it's pointless to make them. I'm pretty sure 9/10 of you guys would love to drive this[/quote]

So true. The roadster pretty much died by what, the mid 60s, max? It wasn't until Mazda decided to enter the Miata here that the roadster picked up more momentum. They pretty much rejuvinated the market for the two seater roadster here
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']Suckin' cock is what makes you gay, not some car.[/quote]

QFT.


Just because gay guys drive it doesn't mean no one else does...
 
Driving a Miata does not make you a sissy. I don't really understand why anyone would want one for a daily driver though.

Sunfires are probably the only car that I would consider to be "sissy".
 
[quote name='mang9432']if you have to ask... then yes.[/quote]

That is the correct answer, why not make a poll though so we you can remove all doubt about you being perceived as a homosexual. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']Suckin' cock is what makes you gay, not some car.[/QUOTE]

Listen to this man.

And as a guy with a tongue piercing, he would know.
























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[quote name='johnnypark']You actually rented a car to go on a date to impress a girl? Damn, dude... that's just rediculous. If a date's going to make up her mind about you based on what kind of car you drive, then she's not worth your time, period.[/quote]
The kind of girl who would be impressed by an escalade would. Or the kind of girl who would be turned off by a miata.
 
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My brothers sometimes give me crap for driving a Volkswagen Karmann-Ghia, but I don't care, I love the damn thing. This whole "you're gay if you drive X car" is ridiculous. I wouldn't mind driving a Miata, or a MINI, or a Smart Fortwo.
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The mx-5 is an amazing car.......fast as hell and handles great. I have never heard anyone of my friends ever call that car gay.

That car beat the hell out of my friends SVT Cobra.

Also wasnt the mx-5 rated as the best sports car this past year? At least thats what I thought I read in Consumer Report.

BTW my opinion might be biased since I myself drive a Mazda RX8 so I try to stick up for Mazdas :)

Oh and for gay cars, my friends seem to think any guy driving an eclipse is a queer....
 
[quote name='Prepster']
That car beat the hell out of my friends SVT Cobra.
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You say that as if it's an accomplishment. ;)

Hell, my Probe would take the 4.6L Stangs when they first came out. Nice to see Ford can finally make a decent motor again without having to stamp out the Mazda logo.

No car is gay. Inanimate objects can't have sexual tendencies.
 
Wow i am surprised by the response to this. I do think they are a few cars that have become known as girl vehicles...

i.e. Sunfire, possibly cavalier etc.

This other aspect was new to me to be honest.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']No car is gay. Inanimate objects can't have sexual tendencies.[/quote]

You couldn't be more wrong!

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I've owned a BMW Z3 and currently a Z4.

I could care less if people think they are girl's cars or "gay". I don't buy cars based on what others think, I buy cars based on what I like. I've seen plenty of women driving bright red Corvettes, which I equate to the stereotypical male sports car, so to each their own.

I've always loved roadsters for what they are: impractical, yet insanely fun toys. If you're worried what people perceive you as in your car, buy a tan Camry so you can blend in with 90% of the people out there. If you want to have fun, buy a roadster.
 
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