[quote name='Msut77']Duo I guess we will just have to disagree on your contention that excons are subhimanoids unfit to be like the rest of society.
I really think you are wrong but there seems to be nothing I can say to get you off your twisted notion of revenge.[/quote]
It's reasons like this and people like you that no one can argue with civility. I never once said ex-cons are less than human, but you want make me sound like some snarling beast who thinks we should shot them like rapid dogs. You take my words and twist them then put other in my mouth, while I've done nothing but try to present my points with civility here. I could post alot more in this forum, but it's seriously crap like this that makes me so
ing sick of posting in the vs. forum. You can't listen anyone elses opinions without twisting it into what you want to hear, not what's being said. You want to act like you have an open mind, but you honestly don't. I know full well I'm in the minority on this opinion, but that does mean you can just mold my opinions into whatever it is you think I said or wished I said. I presented most of my point above, with that said, I'm going to refrain from posting here after this til you or someone comes up with a valid and civil point to add.
The only contention I'm making is that they shouldn't be allowed to vote the same as every other citizen who has has tried to abide by the law. Granted like I pointed out earlier everyone breaks the law at some point, but there's a difference between smaller crimes, such as speeding or under age drinking, than there is felonies. We don't let lots of people in America vote and it doesn't make them any less human and the same applies here. We don't allow immagrants who aren't citizens and people under age 18 because we don't fully trust their ability to make a judge about our political system for one reason or another. I'm simply making the same point here based on the fact said person broke the law. I think like 15 states at most keep felons from voting after time served, but regardless felons forfieted a right that was given to them. It's not like the women's or african american sufferage movements or anything.
I'll openly admit there's another solution here, give them the right to vote same as other citizens and alot of states and people have chosen that option. I have no real issue with that I suppose, my position simplys fall on the other side. And there's really only two sides, anything in between would stretch over a huge gray areas that includes many traps. There's some court battles over this now, but if they made other crime specific rules I'd think it would only create more problems and court cases. I can respect the other sides opinion, but I don't exactly fully agree with it. However, I don't see where that makes me into someone you thinks of ex-cons as subhuman. You make think that voting is what makes someone human I guess, but I wouldn't agree with that at all. Voting doesn't make you human, if that were seriously true then certain groups of people (as I pointed out above) would not be human, citizens of some other countries aren't human, and about half of aMerica doesn't think of themselves as human (cuz they'd chose not to vote).
As for the revenge thing I don't know where this comes from. Revenege is motive and needs a catalyst. I have no catalyst, I've never really been a direct victim of a felony. Just because I don't think they should vote does not mean I wish current felons or ex-felons no ill will at all, I don't condone what they did, but it doesn't mean I hate them (except maybe rapists, but that's for a different reason and not something tha needs to be openly discussed now). I have my doubts about America's prison system's true ability to reform people, yet I do think many ex-cons can and do change and go on to live a perfectly successful, law-abidding life. And just because you don't vote doesn't mean you can't do that, millions upon millions do it without ever voting in their life.
