Arab TV: How to Beat Your Wife

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Muslim TV Instructs on Wife-Beating

November 5, 2004
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France expelled Algerian-born Imam Abdel Qader Bouziane for telling a French magazine that Muslim husbands may beat their wives. This follows the sentencing on January 14 of the Egyptian-born Sheik Muhammad Kamal Mustafa, the imam of the mosque of the Spanish city of Fuengirola, Costa del Sol, for publishing a book that explains that wife-beating is in accordance with Shariah law.

Sheik Yousuf Qaradhawi, one of the most influential clerics in Sunni Islam and head of the European Council for Fatwa and Research and the International Council of Muslim Clerics, has also advocated wife-beating on multiple occasions in his 1984 book "The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam," and on his weekly Al Jazeera program, which is popular among the surging number of European Muslims who increasingly look to religious leaders from the Middle East for religious guidance. This is particularly true with the growth of viewers watching Arab TV stations, available on satellite TV in Europe, which frequently airs shows dedicated to teaching a husband how to beat his wife. The following examples on this subject can be viewed at www.memritv.org.

Egyptian Professor Sabri Abd Al-Rauf of Al-Azhar University appeared on Iqra TV on September 13, and explained that "beating [one's wife] doesn't mean beatings with a rod or beatings that draw blood...The beatings are intended to instill fear...and declaring that he isn't satisfied with this wife."

Speaking on Syrian TV on July 26, Sheik Abd Al-Hamid Al-Muhajir explained that the Koran stipulates when a husband can beat his wife: "The Koranic verse refers only to a disobedient wife...First you must admonish...Then comes the stage of sending her to a separate bed...If this does not help either...it is said, 'and beat them'... What's better, that she gets slapped, or that she ruins her family, herself, and society?"

Sheik Muhammad Al-Mussayar, an Egyptian professor at Al-Azhar University, was interviewed about wife beating on Iqra TV on June 7. He described what kind of woman should be beaten: "She is a wife who rebelled against her husband's advice, and abandoning her in bed did not help."

As a member of the Egyptian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, Sheik Yousuf Al-Badri explained on Egypt's Dream2 TV on September 1,"I use beatings [on my children], but symbolically. The same goes for women: 'Admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them...' There are beatings in the Koran and in the Sunna...This means we're allowed to beat."

On August 26, Qatar TV aired a panel discussion that included Dr. Ibrahim Elias, and the Director of The Women's Development Society, Imam Bibars, who discussed a study she performed in the Arab world: "I'd like to say that I found something that took me by surprise. I call it 'a culture of the electricity cable.' The men in the study did not know one another, but they all used to beat their wives with electricity cables. These cables are large and they would beat their wives." In defense of beatings, Dr. Elias, a lawyer, explained, "If you beat your wife and it's only light beatings in order to set things straight - that's it...We tell him, 'They are not considered an assault, but discipline.' "

Responding to the question, "What do you mean by light beatings?" he gave an example of when a man should be beat his wife: "For example, a man comes home from work and finds his wife watching TV. She doesn't even get up to make him food. He tells her once, twice, and asks again. If only once he would raise his voice and beat her, she would get up to prepare food for him and by the next day she'd be obedient. This will last for a week and when she forgets, he will remind her."

The following day on the same channel, a religious leader detailed three types of women who deserve beatings: "The first type is a girl who was brought up this way...The second type is a woman who is condescending towards her husband...With her, too, only a rod will help. The third type is a twisted woman who will not obey her husband unless he oppresses her, beats her, uses force against her, and overpowers her."

Unfortunately, the examples mentioned in this article are the rule, not the exception. TV shows dedicated to husbands beating their wives can be viewed regularly on Arab TV.
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This is in stark counterpoint to the widely accepted American practice of wives verbally beating their hubbies.

"if I come home from work and that lousy no-good bastard is sitting on the couch watching sports or playing a videogame, he better have mowed that damn lawn and no dishes in the sink either! Otherwise, he can look forward to some serious bitching, followed by phone calls to my girlfriends and female relatives calling him an idiot and a variety of other colorful names."
 
Man, can you imagine a country that allowed men to beat their wives?:

U.S.: 1868 case, State v. Rhodes, where a husband was found innocent because, the judge said, "the defendent had a right to whip his wife with a switch no larger than his thumb.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/mythsofwomenshistory/a/rule_of_thumb.htm

During the nineteenth century, an era of feminist agitation for reform of marriage law, authorities in England and the United States declared that a husband no longer had the right to chastise his wife.[2] Yet, for a century after courts repudiated the right of chastisement, the American legal system continued to treat wife beating differently from other cases of assault and battery. While authorities denied that a husband had the right to beat his wife, they intervened only intermittently in cases of marital violence: Men who assaulted their wives were often granted formal and informal immunities from prosecution, in order to protect the privacy of the family and to promote "domestic harmony."
http://womhist.binghamton.edu/vawa/prologue.htm

Whoops! Oh well.
 
I'm usually with you EZB, but the "rule of thumb" is a wives tale. Rule of thumb refers to early carpentars, who were thought to know their trade SO WELL, that they could use their thumb as an accurate form of measurement. Hence, the rule of thumb.

But your point still stands, I'm just nitpicking.

Edit: Just read the article, which said exactly what I said. Nevermind, move along.
 
I think the only reason PAD joined CAG is so he could post his anti-Arab articles with overtly racist topics.

PAD, we get it, you hate Arabs. Your topics aren't going to make other people racist too, so why not quit?
 
[quote name='camoor']This just in - Americans are fat and committed to ruining the enviornment with their super-sized SUVs.[/QUOTE]

What does that have to do with anything? One thing I don't understand about this forum is that it seems like whenever PAD bashes some other country, people here bash the US in retaliation...
 
[quote name='Backlash']What does that have to do with anything? One thing I don't understand about this forum is that it seems like whenever PAD bashes some other country, people here bash the US in retaliation...[/QUOTE]

Democrats, the whole lot. Just you wait till being republican is back in Fashion! Oh yeah, you'll just be republicans then. Damn it.
 
[quote name='atreyue']Democrats, the whole lot. Just you wait till being republican is back in Fashion! Oh yeah, you'll just be republicans then. Damn it.[/QUOTE]

So being republican means being a racist like PAD?
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']So being republican means being a racist like PAD?[/QUOTE]

No. being a racist like PAD means being racist like PAD. I personally am not a republican or democrat. I reserve the right to make my own decisions and feel no need to align myself with one of the popular opinions. If people were willing to think things out for themselves, everyone would be a lot happier. They need to stop making commercials about peer pressure and drugs and switch them to peer pressure and politics.
 
[quote name='atreyue']Democrats, the whole lot. Just you wait till being republican is back in Fashion! Oh yeah, you'll just be republicans then. Damn it.[/QUOTE]

The problem is Republicans are in fashion right now. They control everything and are doing a great job of fucking it all up.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']We need more hippies.

Anti-establishment is the only political party that could keep the politicians in check.[/QUOTE]

Anti-establishment is one thing but hippies are just smelly. :lol:
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']The problem is Republicans are in fashion right now. They control everything and are doing a great job of fucking it all up.[/QUOTE]

I think they are both pretty fashionable, but since so many things that both groups say are just complete drivel and endless posturing, and their general approaches are so similar, everyone gets gets all confused.
 
I usually think of people as people no matter where they live, but that is certainly one big difference between living here and living there. Socially acceptable wife-beating. Egads. Certainly, many men are guilty of the same thing here, but there's a soical stigma attached. Refering to someone as a wife-beater here is on par with calling him an alcoholic, raging lunatic. I wouldn't even beat my DOG. Well, he was a toy breed & too small to beat anyways. Maybe just a light spank on the bottom if he was bad, but certainly nothing that could be called a beating. Nothing wrong with a light spanking. For dogs. Not wives. Usually. Well, anyway...
:mrgreen:
 
[quote name='atreyue']No. being a racist like PAD means being racist like PAD. I personally am not a republican or democrat. I reserve the right to make my own decisions and feel no need to align myself with one of the popular opinions. If people were willing to think things out for themselves, everyone would be a lot happier. They need to stop making commercials about peer pressure and drugs and switch them to peer pressure and politics.[/QUOTE]

Don't mind Quack, he thinks everyone's a racist.
 
Seriously, I am all for free speech and expression of political views, but he has been posting offensive racist topics since this folder was made.

Why isn't he banned?
 
[quote name='Backlash']What does that have to do with anything? One thing I don't understand about this forum is that it seems like whenever PAD bashes some other country, people here bash the US in retaliation...[/QUOTE]

Yeah. "god" forbid that we criticize the USA. Much easier to start another "crusades are good" topic, eh backlash.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Don't mind Quack, he thinks everyone's a racist.[/QUOTE]

But pretty much everyone thinks PAD's a racist.

What does that have to do with anything? One thing I don't understand about this forum is that it seems like whenever PAD bashes some other country, people here bash the US in retaliation...
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But PAD, indirectly, is using it to show how we are superior, so you bash the thing he is upholding, at least that's why I do those things.
 
OKAY.

That's ENOUGH.

To: OP, Pittsburgafterdark

Please rename your fucking threads. I don't even care whether or not you post them, because they can be interesting conversation starters, but stop it with what you think might just be some "eye-catching" titile because you keep phrasing them in a way that is entirely offensive. (And you don't even reply in them.)

Thnx.

From: Me.

P.S. (And your great-forefathers beat your great-foremothers too. :booty: )

...

Well, now that that's out of the way. I have to say I find it vaugly amusing that the step before beating your wife seems to be sexual isolation (different bed)...gee...if not getting nookie isn't setting her straight...:lol:

That just means they all suck in bed so their wives don't care, so they resort to beating, and if there's a lot of wife beating going on, I guess there's a lot of guy's who suck in bed, lol...
 
[quote name='whoknows']Go look at PAD's previous posts, there are a bunch of anti-arab topics.[/QUOTE]

In a sea of anti non-coservative extremist topics.
 
I am opposed to hitting women except in the following cases: She hits me first, she cheats on me (only applies to marriage), or if she steals my money somehow.

I think these are reasonable and if I did those bad things to the girl, I'd let her hit me ( just until her little arms get tired).
 
[quote name='kaji7p56']I am opposed to hitting women except in the following cases: She hits me first, she cheats on me (only applies to marriage), or if she steals my money somehow.

I think these are reasonable and if I did those bad things to the girl, I'd let her hit me ( just until her little arms get tired).[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
 
In the words of Chris Rock: "Please! Ain't nobody above an ass-whuppin'... just don't do it... I ain't never hit a woman... but I shake the shit outta her!" "Damn girl! Why you goin' off and tossin' some salad?!"
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']We need more hippies.

Anti-establishment is the only political party that could keep the politicians in check.[/QUOTE]

hipies are an establishment that happens to preach anti-establishment
 
ohh and about woman beating is only acceptible is shes about to do something horibble to you balls and/or penis, or the bitch is trying to kill ya, otherwise get your sister to beat her....
 
[quote name='kaji7p56']Somebody needs a good crack on the chin.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, YOU. You NEVER hit a woman. Period.
 
I'd rather keep PAD around. PAD continues to make the right-wing conservatives look like lunatics. If more people realize what the Neocons represent, then maybe they'll turn away from them. One person has turned on CAG already.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Yeah, YOU. You NEVER hit a woman. Period.[/QUOTE]

It's ok if they hit you or in self defense, but that's it. Not if they cheat on you or anything, though that's the same standard I apply to everyone.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']It's ok if they hit you or in self defense, but that's it. Not if they cheat on you or anything, though that's the same standard I apply to everyone.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, physical violence is NEVER acceptable unless you are in danger yourself.
 
Yeah, but he said:

I am opposed to hitting women except in the following cases: She hits me first, she cheats on me (only applies to marriage), or if she steals my money somehow.

NONE of these cases are an excuse. If you're afraid that a woman might kick your ass, then I suggest hitting those weights. A man is just physically stronger than a woman and can do some serious damage if you retaliate against her when she tries to hit you. I agree with Quackzilla, though -- only if you're in danger.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Yeah, but he said:

I am opposed to hitting women except in the following cases: She hits me first, she cheats on me (only applies to marriage), or if she steals my money somehow.

NONE of these cases are an excuse. If you're afraid that a woman might kick your ass, then I suggest hitting those weights. A man is just physically stronger than a woman and can do some serious damage if you retaliate against her when she tries to hit you. I agree with Quackzilla, though -- only if you're in danger.[/QUOTE]

I know a good amount of women who are stronger than a lot of men. And saying "if you're afraid of a women then you need to go to the gym" has two problems, one is it isn't instantaneous, two it's blaming the victim (and discounting the increasingly common cases of domestic abuse against men).
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Yeah, YOU. You NEVER hit a woman. Period.[/QUOTE]

Damn people, it was a joke! Get it? It's a thread about wife beating and I tell one of the few girls on the site that "she needs a good crack on the chin?"
 
[quote name='jaykrue']In the words of Chris Rock: "Please! Ain't nobody above an ass-whuppin'... just don't do it... I ain't never hit a woman... but I shake the shit outta her!" "Damn girl! Why you goin' off and tossin' some salad?!"[/QUOTE]

:rofl: :applause:
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I know a good amount of women who are stronger than a lot of men. And saying "if you're afraid of a women then you need to go to the gym" has two problems, one is it isn't instantaneous, two it's blaming the victim (and discounting the increasingly common cases of domestic abuse against men).[/QUOTE]

A good point, but you've got to remember that most women you find are not usually going to be stronger than a male, unless, of course, you get one of those chicks from those "Biggest Muscles" contests. Then you should have yourself checked because you're probably gay.
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Either way it's not appropriate to hit a woman, unless you do happen to get one of those hulking she-males. :whistle2:?
 
[quote name='False Hope']A good point, but you've got to remember that most women you find are not usually going to be stronger than a male, unless, of course, you get one of those chicks from those "Biggest Muscles" contests. Then you should have yourself checked because you're probably gay.
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Either way it's not appropriate to hit a woman, unless you do happen to get one of those hulking she-males. :whistle2:?[/QUOTE]

If you know an athletic girl and you don't do anything that could be considered exercise besides walking, there's a good chance she's stronger than you. Now given the same level of activity your point would usually be true.
 
PAD may indeed be a racist bastard, but I don't know him personally so I can't say I know for sure. But at least he's not an ignorant bastard like some on these boards who play race police and point fingers at everyone they FEEL is racist without any supporting evidence save their opinion. Then the banning brigade inevitably chimes in as well, furthering the lynch mob swelling of intolerence for anything not blessed as holy by the CAG PC elite force of doom.

Poting a news story about a cultural practice by MUSLIMS does not imply that PAD hates ARABS. Arabs are not necessarily muslim, nor are muslims necessarily Arabs. Those that can't distinguish this should be pointing their racist fingers at themselves. And enlightening us to the cultural diffences does not necessarily imply that PAD hates these people, but perhaps only the practice.

It is interesting to see those who claim to speak against hatred seem to be overflowing with it themselves...
 
[quote name='bmulligan']PAD may indeed be a racist bastard, but I don't know him personally so I can't say I know for sure. But at least he's not an ignorant bastard like some on these boards who play race police and point fingers at everyone they FEEL is racist without any supporting evidence save their opinion. Then the banning brigade inevitably chimes in as well, furthering the lynch mob swelling of intolerence for anything not blessed as holy by the CAG PC elite force of doom.



Poting a news story about a cultural practice by MUSLIMS does not imply that PAD hates ARABS. Arabs are not necessarily muslim, nor are muslims necessarily Arabs. Those that can't distinguish this should be pointing their racist fingers at themselves. And enlightening us to the cultural diffences does not necessarily imply that PAD hates these people, but perhaps only the practice.



It is interesting to see those who claim to speak against hatred seem to be overflowing with it themselves...[/QUOTE]



Umm......... ya. Pad is really the only one anyone continuously calls a racist here (and the only one I can remember, with the possible exception of scrubking, that I have actually called racist, and not just a particular idea they had). And unless pad has some info showing the majority of muslim men do this based on religious grounds, then he may have a cultural practice. In the sense that everything that is passed down, advocated etc. among 2 or more people can be considered culture then it may apply in this case, but in the normal use of the term (a widespread belief that is done or believed by most members of a particular society), this does not qualify.
 
"...And enlightening us to the cultural diffences does not necessarily imply that PAD hates these people, but perhaps only the practice. " - bmulligan, previous post


Now that you have defined for us the meaning of cultural practice, should we also go on to argue what the definition of "IS" is ?

I did not specify the race labelers, nor did I have you in mind, but I'm glad you decided to step up to the microphone and confess your sins.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']"...And enlightening us to the cultural diffences does not necessarily imply that PAD hates these people, but perhaps only the practice. " - bmulligan, previous post


Now that you have defined for us the meaning of cultural practice, should we also go on to argue what the definition of "IS" is ?

I did not specify the race labelers, nor did I have you in mind, but I'm glad you decided to step up to the microphone and confess your sins.[/QUOTE]

My whole point was that it is ridiculous to refer to something such as this as culture, otherwise we could start saying abortion is part of church culture (hey, there are some priests who support it). Though whatis meant by the last line of your post I have no idea.
 
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