Are Any of You This Kind of Customer?

PittsburghAfterDark

PittsburghAfterDark

CAGiversary!
Do you trade in games you bought brand new disc only?

Do you trade in games you bought brand new with scratched up discs that look like you ran them under the sink with a SOS pad?

Do you turn in games you bought new with torn or missing instructions?

Without all the materials you bought with the game? Missing CD's, soundtracks, bonus DVD's etc.

If you do trade in games that you bought new disc only.... WTF do morons like you do with the boxes and instructions? Where did you store games if not in the game case?

Did you use the instruction booklet for Valkyrie Profile or Suikoden II as a coaster? If you did, may I come shoot you personally?

I want to know if there are any resident retards here that ruin the experience of buying used games. In fact, I think we all want to know. We want to mock you openly and often. We want to know why it is not every copy of any game not named Madden isn't in perfect condition.

Okay, now fess up. Which of you is making "Rare, mint and complete." something we have to add before telling people what new game we bought before they think we got a barely playable disc with no instructions or original packaging.
 
[quote name='smalien1']I keep my discs in a big book and all the cases seperate, I just turn in the disc and don't bother with the case[/QUOTE]

I keep all my games in carry cases as well and the orignal CD/DVD boxes in a bookcase. However I would never trade in a game disc only. Then again the only three games I've gotten rid of in the last 3 1/2 years were the first LOTR game, Enter the Matrix and GTA III when I go the Xbox double pack.

You're the kind of customer I hate getting used games from. I have to pass up copies of disc only when I see your stuff in stores. What are you going to do with the original cases??? Seriously. Why would you be a dick like that?

I think we all want an answer.
 
Most people on this board take pretty good care of their shit I'd imagine. But I also wouldn't be surprised if quite a few CAGers hold onto their case and manuals if the store they're trading into doesn't give anything extra for them. Having nice extra cases can be handy for swapping out when you get a junky one with a used (new-to-you) game. I've only traded in at EB so far and I think they require case and manual (haven't bothered not including them anyway).

Honestly you should be pissed at the stores who don't give a crap what the games they get in look like.
 
Yeah, I do get pissed at the store for not taking stuff complete or box only but.....

This seems to be pretty widespread so it's obviously not uncommon for casual gamers to treat their stuff like shit.
 
Just don't buy used games.

I only buy new- I don't want someone's ghetto hand me downs. Very few games I will buy at full price- the Halos, the Splinter Cells, etc. Everything else I wait for it to drop to $20 or under.

But go crazy, man. I look at how shitty the cases and discs are at EB Games and I don't understand how anyone can buy that crap.
 
Some people just don't take care of their stuff. /shrug


I remember way back when I first bought my NES. I saved a long time for that, it came with Tyson Punch-Out and I also bought Metroid. I had the box and manual for that game (and every game I've ever bought since) stored away and protected right away. It was like the box and manual are part of the entire package. And since it was MY hard earned money what bought it, I wasn't going to ruin them.

I don't understand these people that lose all the parts but the game. :| Especially in this day and age where the "box" is actually the case that holds the manual and game disc and not like old games where the box was nothing more than decoration.
 
I just don't feel like getting them out of the unorganized box they are in, fuck you dude, it's not my problem you are anal about stuff, just buy from ebgames.com where the case/mannual are guraranteed.

(If you mean for 'rare' games then you shouldn't expect someone dumb enough to sell a 'rare' game to be complete, I would never sell a 'rare' game to EB or GS)
 
I keep all my games in a carry case because there's no room to store all the original cases in a dorm room. I freak if I see a tiny 1 mm scratch on any of my games and I refuse to buy any game with a 1 mm scratch that's barely even noticable. All of the EBs around here (including the one I work at) groan when I come into the store and I'm not scheduled to work; I annoy them so much by asking to see every single game they have in stock and then rejecting a perfectly good game because there's a little dent on the manual, lol.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Yeah, I do get pissed at the store for not taking stuff complete or box only but.....

This seems to be pretty widespread so it's obviously not uncommon for casual gamers to treat their stuff like shit.[/QUOTE]

About the only games I buy in stores are ps1 games, and occasionally and snes or current gen game. Never heard it done to current ones, but I've heard, multiple times, that ps1 or snes games were being gutted, had been gutted, or were in back about to be gutted. I saved a suikoen 2 from being gutted once. Gamestop had already taken it into the back room, with about half of the ps1 games, but I saw it listed as in stock at that location online and they did have it complete. There was a point were gamestop (at least in new england) gutted every single ps1 game they had, sales must have dropped since a few weeks after they stopped gutting them it seemed.

I have no idea what's up with eb though. I rarely shop there, but, even though gamestop has gutted so many ps1 games, eb's still have many more disc only games than gamestops.
 
[quote name='Haggar']Just don't buy used games.[/QUOTE]

IIRC, PAD's becoming more and more a PS1 game collector (or, at least it seems so due to his posts). I've slowly started doing that over the past year myself, and can empathize. Not to mention new games and PS1 don't mix anymore.

I was lucky enough to acquire several complete, good/very good PS1 titles over the past month (King's Field, Project Overkill, Grandia, and Parasite Eve II) from various B&M stores. I will rarely buy PS1 games online (esp. EB or GS), because, with little doubt in my mind, I could tape a PS1 game to my bumper, drive for a week, and still have it look better than the majority of games I've received from ordering online. It's upsetting to see a non-GH Silent Hill, complete, sitting on the shelf for $7.99, only to find out that the game manual was treated worse than garbage. At least, when I see that in a store, I know not to buy it.

It is the store's fault; an EB I was in not too long ago had a 'reference' disc on the counter; if your game looked worse than that, they weren't going to buy it. The sad part? The only disc that could look worse would be one with a chunk missing out of it.

My guess is that most people are children and people who weren't taught to take care of their things. Why would you spend $50 on a game to let it serve as your beer coaster for four months? I don't see selling the game as anything more than these people "passing the buck." It's not their problem, the store didn't have to buy the game, right?
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I keep all my games in a carry case because there's no room to store all the original cases in a dorm room. I freak if I see a tiny 1 mm scratch on any of my games and I refuse to buy any game with a 1 mm scratch that's barely even noticable. All of the EBs around here (including the one I work at) groan when I come into the store and I'm not scheduled to work; I annoy them so much by asking to see every single game they have in stock and then rejecting a perfectly good game because there's a little dent on the manual, lol.[/QUOTE]

Don't feel too bad- I'll return a game if the case or instructions are damaged. I can't tell you how many times I returned a game to Circuit City or Target because the case has a razor slice in it from careless boxboys, or ripped instuctions from the printing machine.

LOL at the guy with a room full of empty game cases. The EB Games around here won't accept incomplete games for trade in. They have to have everything. I saw them shoot down a little kid with a Pokeman or Duel Masters Gameboy game because he didn't have the promo card advertised on the box.
 
I'm very retentive about trying to keep my games immaculate. However, from using a Sony brand game case for my PS2 games, it gave them all little hairline scratches. And, I just bought a second PS2 for 30 bucks, which scratched up San Andreas the first time I used it. Hasn't done it since.

But the guy I got it from who has a really cool and inexpensive game shop in my area resurfaced the disc for me for free. I got it back today and it looks like brand new.
 
I never trade in games, but I buy used a lot and notice this. Only recently have I started saving everything, as I used to just keep the disc, case, and manual. Plus, I used to toss old cardboard cases (gb, n64, etc), but now I save those. I can understand people storing games in disc bnders, but why not put them back in the case when you trade them (rhetorical question)
 
I wish they altered they credit given/price charged on used games depending on condition. I discussed this w/ a friend, and he pointed out that for the nationwide chains, it would be hard to have them distinguish based on disk condition - what one store might grade an "A" (or whatever), another store might grade it a "B". It would be too arbitrary.

But I don't think it's asking too much for them to say "Game 'Blah' gets $15 trade-in complete, $12 without a manual and $10 disk only". Might make some of these morons actually hang onto their stuff, no?

If you don't want to keep the cases & manuals with the games you buy, that's your business. Up until the point where you trade it in, that is - then you shouldn't receive the same credit for a disk-only game as someone who has kept everything complete & in perfect condition.
 
I've been working at GameStop for nigh 4 years now, and I'd say at least 60%, and maybe as high as 80% of our trades are damaged in some significant way, even with games that were released just weeks prior. It's frightening seeing what people do to their $50 product once they remove it from the case. Stained/creased manuals, scratched/cracked discs, broken and dilapidated cases, it's unbelievable.

Either people just don't mind seeing their rather expensive games mangled, or they don't understand how sensitive and vulnerable the discs are. Neither explanation is good enough for me though.
 
Why is it stores will turn me down if try to sell them a game with a few specs of dust, yet all their pre-owned games are scratched to hell?

Not all stores, just some are quite picky. Some stores take back ANYTHING.
 
[quote name='rallen']Why is it stores will turn me down if try to sell them a game with a few specs of dust, yet all their pre-owned games are scratched to hell?

Not all stores, just some are quite picky. Some stores take back ANYTHING.[/QUOTE]

It's not the store; it's the employee. The person who decides what will and will not be taken in is the employee who's checking your stuff out. Of course, there's a standard for what is/isn't supposed to be accepted; but in the end, it's in the hands of the employee.

I for one am extremely picky about what I take in, but I've had coworkers who'd take anything.
 
[quote name='argyle']But I don't think it's asking too much for them to say "Game 'Blah' gets $15 trade-in complete, $12 without a manual and $10 disk only". Might make some of these morons actually hang onto their stuff, no?[/QUOTE]

I agree. I only buy complete games, so when I'd trade them in I'd like some extra credit/cash. And then that should also be reflected in the resale price.

Even employees seem to turn people away from incomplete used stuff. My question is, unless it's something uber rare, who the hell buys disc only?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Do you trade in games you bought brand new disc only?

Do you trade in games you bought brand new with scratched up discs that look like you ran them under the sink with a SOS pad?

Do you turn in games you bought new with torn or missing instructions?

Without all the materials you bought with the game? Missing CD's, soundtracks, bonus DVD's etc.

If you do trade in games that you bought new disc only.... WTF do morons like you do with the boxes and instructions? Where did you store games if not in the game case?

Did you use the instruction booklet for Valkyrie Profile or Suikoden II as a coaster? If you did, may I come shoot you personally?

I want to know if there are any resident retards here that ruin the experience of buying used games. In fact, I think we all want to know. We want to mock you openly and often. We want to know why it is not every copy of any game not named Madden isn't in perfect condition.

Okay, now fess up. Which of you is making "Rare, mint and complete." something we have to add before telling people what new game we bought before they think we got a barely playable disc with no instructions or original packaging.[/QUOTE]


who gives a fuck, honestly man. why would you even look at buying a game like that. just move onto the next game and find one with a box. if i buy a used game, i make sure it comes in a box and i check the cd first. but i don't get pissed off if the cd is scratched, i just don't buy the game. i realize that it is a USED game. you have to take into consideration that other people have had it. i take care of my games, but not everyone does. the point is, just move onto the next game and don't make a big fuss about it.
 
[quote name='SIUfan86']who gives a fuck, honestly man. why would you even look at buying a game like that. just move onto the next game and find one with a box. if i buy a used game, i make sure it comes ina box and i check the cd first. but i don't get pissed off if the cd is scratched, i just don't buy the game. i realize that it is a USED game. you have to take into consideration that other eople have had it. i take care of my games, but not everyone does. the point is, just move onto the next game and don't make a big fuss about it.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that the same disc-only deal that is totally fucked is getting the same trade-in value and sells for the same price a mint/complete copy. I should get more for trading in a manual and case and have to pay less for a disc only game. Condtion shouldn't too matter much (since it is subjective), or at all as long as it plays.
 
[quote name='Friedle']The problem is that the same disc-only deal that is totally fucked is getting the same trade-in value and sells for the same price a mint/complete copy. I should get more for trading in a manual and case and have to pay less for a disc only game. Condtion shouldn't too matter much (since it is subjective), or at all as long as it plays.[/QUOTE]



i agree completely with this statement. i was just replying to the original statement.
 
[quote name='Friedle']The problem is that the same disc-only deal that is totally fucked is getting the same trade-in value and sells for the same price a mint/complete copy. I should get more for trading in a manual and case and have to pay less for a disc only game. Condtion shouldn't too matter much (since it is subjective), or at all as long as it plays.[/QUOTE]

Sell it on ebay then. You'll get more for your complete shit there.
 
I dunno, I think the fact that you can find stuff complete or not makes it more exciting. If everything were in perfect condition, then it wouldn't be as fun.
Though it does blow getting a fucked up case, so that my copies of guilty Gear X2 and Mars Matrix freaking slide around in the case whenever I move them.
 
The real question is: Who the hell BUYS disc only current gen games? Someone obviously does, or the stores wouldn't take them as trade ins. The only people you can really blame are the ones dumb enough to buy disc only games at full used price. As long as some idiot is willing to buy it, the stores will keep trying to sell it. Personally I never buy incomplete games, period. I don't care if it came out 20 years ago. If it doesn't still have the box and manual, I'm not buying. The disc only games, I would guess, are mostly stolen from rental places and there is a special place in hell for game stores that gut their used games.
 
[quote name='SIUfan86']who gives a fuck, honestly man. why would you even look at buying a game like that. just move onto the next game and find one with a box. if i buy a used game, i make sure it comes in a box and i check the cd first. but i don't get pissed off if the cd is scratched, i just don't buy the game. i realize that it is a USED game. you have to take into consideration that other people have had it. i take care of my games, but not everyone does. the point is, just move onto the next game and don't make a big fuss about it.[/QUOTE]

Because for many of us it isn't about games like Madden 2006, GTA: SA, Halo 2 but in relation to games like Valkyrie Profile, Rhapsody, Intelligent Qube, Puzzle Fighter II and other "collectable" or vintage games.

There is plenty of used stuff out there for current generation titles where it's not an issue. It is an issue when you're dealing with older titles that game stores still carry but rarely have complete.

This really wasn't so much a used games bitch thread, it was supposed to be more of a collectable games bitch thread.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I keep all my games in a carry case because there's no room to store all the original cases in a dorm room. I freak if I see a tiny 1 mm scratch on any of my games and I refuse to buy any game with a 1 mm scratch that's barely even noticable. All of the EBs around here (including the one I work at) groan when I come into the store and I'm not scheduled to work; I annoy them so much by asking to see every single game they have in stock and then rejecting a perfectly good game because there's a little dent on the manual, lol.[/QUOTE]

I'll have to make sure you are working when I come in then, I always annoy them asking for a new case. :lol:
 
Usually I read my game manuals on the can and use pages of them to wipe my ass after I am done...I kid I kid, but it does make you wonder where that used game you just bought has been.

All my stuff is mint condition, I feel like most of you here, in that when I buy something I want it complete. Some of you are kinda to the extreme, but I wont buy a game unless the manual and game are in great condition. The case I usually just switch them out when I go to trade in older games giving them the crappier ones, but I only trade in when deals come up like the GT4 one. I have been extremely lucky at this one gamestop, cause it seems they give new games that have been opened for used. I have gotten quite a few games from them that come complete with every instert, even registration card with a disc with no scratches. Ebgames near me is the one I dont buy used from, all there games usually seem like they went through the wash.
 
[quote name='Friedle']The problem is that the same disc-only deal that is totally fucked is getting the same trade-in value and sells for the same price a mint/complete copy. I should get more for trading in a manual and case and have to pay less for a disc only game. Condtion shouldn't too matter much (since it is subjective), or at all as long as it plays.[/QUOTE]

At EB, they're supposed to give less if the game is incomplete...but they still sell it for the same price as the complete, lol.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Because for many of us it isn't about games like Madden 2006, GTA: SA, Halo 2 but in relation to games like Valkyrie Profile, Rhapsody, Intelligent Qube, Puzzle Fighter II and other "collectable" or vintage games.

There is plenty of used stuff out there for current generation titles where it's not an issue. It is an issue when you're dealing with older titles that game stores still carry but rarely have complete.

This really wasn't so much a used games bitch thread, it was supposed to be more of a collectable games bitch thread.[/QUOTE]

In any case, you are preaching to the wrong choir. No one in here (I hope) is stupid enough to take a Valkyrie Profile into a Gamestop for $14 credit. I have however found other games at pawns (Paper Mario 2, Ace Combat 5) and turned them in for over $25 credit, because that is probably what I am going to get at Ebay, and yeah I'd rather keep the case and booklet for those kind of games, mainly in the event someone needs one, and I need one of theirs.
 
I've wondered this alot myself. Then again, most of the time times, when I go into GameStop or EB and someone is trading in, it usually goes like this.

The spokesman of the group and about 3 of his buddies are standing there with a stack of Madden, random basketball and baseball games, Super Mario/Duck Hunt cartridge, Tetris for the first Game Boy, and a PS Tomb Raider game.
They look with dumb blank faces when the guy either won't take them because a bite is taken out of one or all of them, or they get .50 for Madden 1872. Most of the time, they either have no cases, or a regular CD case with the manual attached with a rubber band for the PS2 titles.
Then they have to call their cousin and tell them while they are in line, then explain how gosh darn shocked (put it nicely, you translate it) they are.
Then stare at the clerk for another 45 seconds while he tells them the same thing he did 5 minutes ago.

Then, either 90% of the time, they will just take their buck seventy-five they are offered, while the place marks up everything about 750%.

Or taking their stack of crap off the counter in a slump, they then walk out with their buddies starting the sentence with "man shit" then tell what they should do to the MF'r behind the counter.

You do have to wonder at that point, WTF these people are smoking.

Point being, game store employees taking this crap should be taken out and beat in the parking lot. People expecting them to take this crap, should be beaten with the store employee.
 
[quote name='Nirvanaguy777']Some people are just forgetful and lose manuals and/or cases, take that into consideration as well.[/QUOTE]

This is true. Many of these games were probably owned or loaned out to little kids who really don't care about the condition of the discs. They probably just leave the discs out on top of the PS2/Xbox/GCN for "easy access" while their mom's throw away the manuals and cases to make more room. Honestly though, if you don't want to take the gamble on trade-in video games then go to ebay, because I'm sure someone out there will have a mint condition of whatever you're looking for.
 
Game stores are frequently ranked on the volume of trades they bring in, which in turn affects payroll hours, bonuses and such. Don't fault the store. As someone said, it's the customers that buy them. People that treat their games as disposable property don't care if they receive the manual/case/mint disk, as they'll just trade it in the same condition.
And the cycle begins anew...

[quote name='howlinmad']The spokesman of the group and about 3 of his buddies are standing there with a stack of Madden, random basketball and baseball games, Super Mario/Duck Hunt cartridge, Tetris for the first Game Boy, and a PS Tomb Raider game.
They look with dumb blank faces when the guy either won't take them because a bite is taken out of one or all of them, or they get .50 for Madden 1872. Most of the time, they either have no cases, or a regular CD case with the manual attached with a rubber band for the PS2 titles.
Then they have to call their cousin and tell them while they are in line, then explain how gosh darn shocked (put it nicely, you translate it) they are.
Then stare at the clerk for another 45 seconds while he tells them the same thing he did 5 minutes ago.

Then, either 90% of the time, they will just take their buck seventy-five they are offered, while the place marks up everything about 750%.

Or taking their stack of crap off the counter in a slump, they then walk out with their buddies starting the sentence with "man shit" then tell what they should do to the MF'r behind the counter.[/QUOTE]

This is hilariously accurate.
 
They know GameStop is only going to give them $3 for the game no matter what shape it's in.... :)

[quote name='Ledhed']I've been working at GameStop for nigh 4 years now, and I'd say at least 60%, and maybe as high as 80% of our trades are damaged in some significant way, even with games that were released just weeks prior. It's frightening seeing what people do to their $50 product once they remove it from the case. Stained/creased manuals, scratched/cracked discs, broken and dilapidated cases, it's unbelievable.

Either people just don't mind seeing their rather expensive games mangled, or they don't understand how sensitive and vulnerable the discs are. Neither explanation is good enough for me though.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='soulwish2003']They know GameStop is only going to give them $3 for the game no matter what shape it's in.... :)[/QUOTE]

While whether or not the game is complete won't make a difference, the condition of the game itself makes a difference in value.

GS charges a refurbishing fee for beat-up discs to be fixed. Normally, the fee is $2 a disc. This can make a HUGE difference in the amount of credit you get. I've seen people lose well over $20 worth of credit from these fees, which they wouldn't have incurred had their games been in at least decent condition.
 
Ever wonder why you don't see any used/complete GBA games at Gamestop? The store destroys the boxes/instructions even if the games are traded in complete. I was lucky to "save" a newly traded in copy of Harvest Moon back when it first came out - the box was just about to be trashed.
 
I don't treat my games like babies like a lot of you guys do, I keep them in the case and put them on a shelf, and when I play a game I take it off the shelf, and leave the case on the tv unit or on my desk, after a while they start stacking up on my desk, back to the shelf it goes. I don't see why I would keep the case and instructions if I'm trading in a game, but on the other hand if the game comes with a bonus (I kept my Silent Hill 3 OST CD) or If I like the instruction booklet (Mainly for the art and what not) I'll keep it, but that's rare for me, very rare.Also, I paid for the blasted thing, I can trade in what I want just sucks to be you if you want it used and it doesn't come with the case or instructions (or some bonus CD) and to that I say . :-({|=
 
well...i don't keep cases for all my old games. Back when i was young i wasn't that ig of a gamer so i didn't care about my games....if only i had all the cases and instruction books now....:( i have all the cases and instructions for new games though.
 
[quote name='howlinmad']I've wondered this alot myself. Then again, most of the time times, when I go into GameStop or EB and someone is trading in, it usually goes like this.

The spokesman of the group and about 3 of his buddies are standing there with a stack of Madden, random basketball and baseball games, Super Mario/Duck Hunt cartridge, Tetris for the first Game Boy, and a PS Tomb Raider game.
They look with dumb blank faces when the guy either won't take them because a bite is taken out of one or all of them, or they get .50 for Madden 1872. Most of the time, they either have no cases, or a regular CD case with the manual attached with a rubber band for the PS2 titles.
Then they have to call their cousin and tell them while they are in line, then explain how gosh darn shocked (put it nicely, you translate it) they are.
Then stare at the clerk for another 45 seconds while he tells them the same thing he did 5 minutes ago.

Then, either 90% of the time, they will just take their buck seventy-five they are offered, while the place marks up everything about 750%.

Or taking their stack of crap off the counter in a slump, they then walk out with their buddies starting the sentence with "man shit" then tell what they should do to the MF'r behind the counter.

You do have to wonder at that point, WTF these people are smoking.

Point being, game store employees taking this crap should be taken out and beat in the parking lot. People expecting them to take this crap, should be beaten with the store employee.[/QUOTE]

OMG, you were at my Gamestop last night! /kidding

Your accurate portrayal of what happens is dead on and quite amusing though.
 
[quote name='Josef']Ever wonder why you don't see any used/complete GBA games at Gamestop? The store destroys the boxes/instructions even if the games are traded in complete. I was lucky to "save" a newly traded in copy of Harvest Moon back when it first came out - the box was just about to be trashed.[/QUOTE]

Lame.
 
This is a great topic. Seriously, dataing back to the Genesis day, if you are a serious gamer/game collector how coud you lose the case or instructions that came with it? Even the Sega Master system? I can understand the Nintendo games, those were cardbord boxes but damn!!! Maybe it just me, after all I keep all my Star Wars figures in their blister packs. And don't get me started on the whold trade-in issue. I mean why would you pay $49.99+ tax for a new game play it, and trade it in for a fraction of the cost only for the store to list it a day later for $3.00 less than brand new? Not only do the game developers not get credit for the unit sold, but the publisher doesn't make money either. This leads to crappy games and a lot of unemployed programmers and developers. The only winners are the stockholders of said corporations. Buying pre-owned is good for out of print games or hard to find games, but thats it. But I'm off the topic.
 
Some people are just that. damn. lazy. and that's how their stuff gets lost. I have a friend who I think has lost the case mor manual virtually every game she owns- truly dperessing, since I know she has some good stuff. I remember going over once after FFX came out. The game was complete going in the door... I went to the bathroom first thing... when I came back, the game was in the system, the case was in the dining room, and the manual was in her bedroom. I still don't know how she pulled that off in 3 minutes.

Some people are taking anti-theft measures... I have another friend who keeps all her disc media in a CD binder to keep it away from her sticky-fingered sister. (It also doesn't help that their house is a total sty, so things dissappear into the piles of junk.)

And somtimes, it's just odd cirumstances. I used to babysit for a lady who, a few years before I started, bought her kid GTA2. After learning from another mom what is was about, she took it away and hid it (probably to trade-in for something more appropriate later.) I guess she forgot about it, cuz she came across it while cleaning, hid it again, and told me to make sure her son didn't play it (since he knew it was in the kitchen somewhere.) Or course, he wanted to play as soon as mom left. I told him no, and if he dug it up from where-ever it was, I would hide it- and I hide things well. So I go to change his 2-year old brother diaper, come back, and he's standing on a chair pulling the game down from a high shelf. So, I take it away and it- I put the disc in the back sleeve of the 'organzier' I got sent for joining Sony's Gamer Advisory Panel thingy. I really did mean to give it back to his mom, but... I forgot I had it, and she put the kids in day care so I quit working for her. (I've never even played that game...)
 
[quote name='Number83']Not only do the game developers not get credit for the unit sold, but the publisher doesn't make money either. This leads to crappy games and a lot of unemployed programmers and developers. The only winners are the stockholders of said corporations. Buying pre-owned is good for out of print games or hard to find games, but thats it. But I'm off the topic.[/QUOTE]

Cool those jets, brother. Used game sales are such a small fraction of the market that it has no real effect on revenue, and isn't responsible for the problems you cite. The day that large companies like Best Buy and Wal-Mart stop stocking games is the day you should be worried about the industry in the context you're thinking in.
 
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