Are gas prices high enough for you yet?

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coffman

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If not, there's a good chance the price of gas will shoot up even further.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2005/08/15/afx2181137.html

Evidently, the Bush administration has such poor diplomatic relations right now with Venezuela that Chavez is threatening to stop all shipments of oil to the U.S. We currently receive 15% of our oil from Venezuela. I wonder how long it will be until terrorists from Venezuela attack us so that we can invade that country?
 
Many venezuelans believe the u.s. may attack them. The government even set up training for citizens defense groups for those who want to take it (though many said they did it more to protect themselves and be with the community).

Honestly, it would fit americas character historically to attack, but they wouldn't today. A shift in method and the increase in media coverage prevent that.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Many venezuelans believe the u.s. may attack them. The government even set up training for citizens defense groups for those who want to take it (though many said they did it more to protect themselves and be with the community).

Honestly, it would fit americas character historically to attack, but they wouldn't today. A shift in method and the increase in media coverage prevent that.[/QUOTE]

How do you figure? Chavez, like it or not, is a democratically elected leader. No way we're going to attack them. We'll just continue what we're doing now by funding NGOs that are opposed to Chavez's abuses.

Bush's support for the coup a few years back was a big, big mistake and big setback for American credibility in promoting democracy, transparency and the rule of law in Latin America. I sure hope nothing else is done along those lines.

And Venezuelans are hyper about it because of what Bush did during that coup, and also because Chavez is a Castro-loving far leftist idiot who, as part of his campaign to erode Venezuelan democracy, has the propaganda machine working in overdrive.

On another note, am I the only one continually amazed at how little political backlash has resulted from gas price increases? People grumble, but it's not nearly as big as I'd have thought. I don't even hear much if anything about using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Maybe when Congress returns.
 
Excuse me elprinciple. I'm GLAD Bush did that so the people are keeping an eye on him in Venezuela. I'd rather have Venezuela as it is now than end up having it suffer the fate Nicaragua and Panama suffered when they opposed American business interests. You really should read or listen to the guy who wrote "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". Frankly I'm glad they didn't manage to kill Chavez yet. It's about damn time South America has a vocal opponent of Mr.Bush who possibly CAN'T be killed right now.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Excuse me elprinciple. I'm GLAD Bush did that so the people are keeping an eye on him in Venezuela. I'd rather have Venezuela as it is now than end up having it suffer the fate Nicaragua and Panama suffered when they opposed American business interests. You really should read or listen to the guy who wrote "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". Frankly I'm glad they didn't manage to kill Chavez yet. It's about damn time South America has a vocal opponent of Mr.Bush who possibly CAN'T be killed right now.[/QUOTE]

Not exactly south america, but castro has proved pretty unkillable.

Though, elprincipe, I said that it was in the u.s. character historically, basically pre 90's there would be a chance of that happening, there is no chance of that now. Though, supporting another coup or something probably wouldn't be out of the question, but I doubt he'd do anything more th an support one already in progress.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Not exactly south america, but castro has proved pretty unkillable.

Though, elprincipe, I said that it was in the u.s. character historically, basically pre 90's there would be a chance of that happening, there is no chance of that now. Though, supporting another coup or something probably wouldn't be out of the question, but I doubt he'd do anything more th an support one already in progress.[/QUOTE]

Castro's a Commie and a dictator so he doesn't count. As far as I'm concerned he's not much different than the dictators we install except he's against us. Chavez is actually making sure the people in Venezuela receive some of the wealth from oil instead of an American company receiving 99% of it.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Castro's a Commie and a dictator so he doesn't count. As far as I'm concerned he's not much different than the dictators we install except he's against us. Chavez is actually making sure the people in Venezuela receive some of the wealth from oil instead of an American company receiving 99% of it.[/QUOTE]

Eh, the poor love him for the social networks and aid they say he's provided. The middle class and wealthy hate him for his undemocratic methods, corruption and the violence and lawlessness they say his revolution has promoted.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Castro's a Commie and a dictator so he doesn't count. As far as I'm concerned he's not much different than the dictators we install except he's against us. Chavez is actually making sure the people in Venezuela receive some of the wealth from oil instead of an American company receiving 99% of it.[/QUOTE]

Prove an American company ever recieved 99% of revenues from Venezuelan oil.
 
You're quite right: You usually have to take about 10% off the top for the puppet government, and at least another 10% for bribbing US politicians. That only leaves 80% or so for the US oil companies.
 
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GOP Fears Gas Price Anger May Spill Over

As consumers feel pain at the pump, record high gas prices are registering as a political problem with congressional Republicans.

At a town hall meeting this week, Rep. Jack Kingston (news, bio, voting record) (R-Ga.) wanted to talk about Social Security and Medicare, but the session quickly turned to gas prices.

When Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (news, bio, voting record) (R-W.Va.) toured a Veterans Affairs clinic Wednesday, the first question put to her was: "What are you going to do about the high price of gasoline?"

And a growing number of GOP officials worry that, as the party in power, Republicans will pay their own high price — at the ballot box. They are scrambling to find ways to respond.

"People are mad as hell," Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record) (R-S.C.) said.

Polls show that the public blames politicians — after oil companies and foreign oilproducing countries — for the high prices.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050825/ts_latimes/gopfearsgaspriceangermayspillover
 
You know, if gas prices are high here they're high in Japan, Canada, England all of continental Europe and ***GASP*** all over the world!

I guess the American public is completely unaware of something called the world market. That's what happens when you substitute "Heather Has Two Mommies" for basic economic education in public schools.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You know, if gas prices are high here they're high in Japan, Canada, England all of continental Europe and ***GASP*** all over the world!

I guess the American public is completely unaware of something called the world market. That's what happens when you substitute "Heather Has Two Mommies" for basic economic education in public schools.[/QUOTE]

But you'd gladly teach "invisible man makes world" over evolution. Tolerance has social value and worth for everyone, just as other forms of education do.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You know, if gas prices are high here they're high in Japan, Canada, England all of continental Europe and ***GASP*** all over the world!

I guess the American public is completely unaware of something called the world market. That's what happens when you substitute "Heather Has Two Mommies" for basic economic education in public schools.[/QUOTE]LoL, gas is so expensive over there because those socialist governments tax the hell out of it - and rampant taxation is something us Americans don't like too much.

As for the idiocy of the people, I blame "No Child Left Behind"
 
You can buy a gas siphon in the automotive department of any retail store.
 
According to rumors, gas will increase by 40 cents per gallon by the end of today. I suppose this is due to Hurricane Katrina since a third of our gasoline is refined in the gulf states. If true, my area will have gas at $2.90 per gallon for 87 octane.
 
[quote name='gsr']Sometimes you wake up and wonder..how the hell DID bush get re-elected?[/QUOTE]

Because stopping gay people from getting married is more important than the (illegal) war, economy, social security, health care, securing our borders, supplying armor for the troops, etc.
 
Expert: $4 a gallon gasoline coming soon

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Consumers can expect retail gas prices to rise to $4 a gallon in the near future, a pricing analyst said Wednesday.

"There's no question gas will hit $4 a gallon," Ben Brockwell, director of pricing at the Oil Price Information Service, said. "The question is how high will it go and how long will it last?"

OPIS tracks wholesale and retail oil prices and provides pricing information for AAA's daily reports on fuel prices.

Brockwell said with gasoline prices now exceeding $3 a gallon before even reaching the wholesale level, it "doesn't take a genius" to expect retail prices to hit $4 a gallon soon.

"Consumers haven't seen the worst of it yet," Brockwell said.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/

So when's Dubya going to "jaw-bone" OPEC?
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Expert: $4 a gallon gasoline coming soon

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Consumers can expect retail gas prices to rise to $4 a gallon in the near future, a pricing analyst said Wednesday.

"There's no question gas will hit $4 a gallon," Ben Brockwell, director of pricing at the Oil Price Information Service, said. "The question is how high will it go and how long will it last?"

OPIS tracks wholesale and retail oil prices and provides pricing information for AAA's daily reports on fuel prices.

Brockwell said with gasoline prices now exceeding $3 a gallon before even reaching the wholesale level, it "doesn't take a genius" to expect retail prices to hit $4 a gallon soon.

"Consumers haven't seen the worst of it yet," Brockwell said.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/

So when's Dubya going to "jaw-bone" OPEC?[/QUOTE]

I was just about to post this link. If gas does hit $4.00 a gallon, I would expect the economy to slide back into a recession. If our country would focus on fuel efficiency, we could avoid this kind of problem.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Because stopping gay people from getting married is more important than the (illegal) war, economy, social security, health care, securing our borders, supplying armor for the troops, etc.[/QUOTE]

I know! I'm surprised that Constitutional Amendment Against Gay Marriage passed!
Oh wait, it didn't? He merely said something in a speech, and reiterated support for the Defense of Marriage Act, that Bill Clinton originally signed?

He was reelected in part because the competition sucked. John F Kerry offered *nothing* to the average person. And even the vast majority of those who voted for him, actually voted 'against' GWB.

My question is, when will Congress allow American companies to build some more refineries, or open up
 
[quote name='coffman']I was just about to post this link. If gas does hit $4.00 a gallon, I would expect the economy to slide back into a recession. If our country would focus on fuel efficiency, we could avoid this kind of problem.[/QUOTE]

Maybe it takes that kind of problem to cause the country to focus on efficiency. I don't want 'the country' [ie, the federal government] to focus on efficiency, I want the people who make up the country to focus on it. You can pass all the laws you want, but if 70% of the car buying public said "We want cars that get 50+ MPG, we're willing to pay for them, and we're not buying anything else until we can get those", it would happen in a year. During the 'Employee Pricing' sales recently, the most popular cars sold were trucks and SUV's. Even with gas already being 2.00-2.75. People care, but not *that* much yet. Unless, of course, they want the Hallowed Government to jump in and regulate prices or punish those mean old oil companies [the ones whose refineries just got trashed in Katrina]. But me, trade in my SUV or truck or sedan for a Prius? No way!

I liked this phrasing from Snopes.com about the 'Don't Buy Gas on this date!' junk email:
"An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some good by calling attention to a cause and sending a message. In this case, though, the only message being sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline that we can't even do without it for a few days to demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What supplier is going to respond to a message like that by lowering its prices? "
 
[quote name='dtcarson']My question is, when will Congress allow American companies to build some more refineries, or open up
 
I just heard that there is talk of gas rationing. I bet there will be a lot of people who wish they hadn't bought a gas guzzler. Drilling for more oil will never solve this problem. The only true solution is fuel efficiency. If that means the federal government has to implement those rules for the good of our country, then it should most definitely be done.
 
Rationing will never happen in this administration. There will always be enough oil even though the prices and the rhetoric will suggest otherwise.
 
Yeah, it would take a far worse problem than the ones we're facing now for Bush and co. to consider rationing. After all, if we were forced into rationing, it would affect everyone equally, meaning the rich would be forced cut back on their extravagant lifestyles. Instead, they'll just let the price go through the roof and simply price the poor out of the game. The rich get to keep cruising around in their super-expensive gas-guzzlers, the poor lose their job and freeze to death this winter - its a win-win situation! Well, at least for the people who matter.
 
I know! I'm surprised that Constitutional Amendment Against Gay Marriage passed!
Oh wait, it didn't? He merely said something in a speech, and reiterated support for the Defense of Marriage Act, that Bill Clinton originally signed?
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Gay marriage got voters out to the polls in many states on election day, and morals was a huge voting block. Though clintons was a comprise, bush's is what he genuinely wants.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Gay marriage got voters out to the polls in many states on election day, and morals was a huge voting block. Though clintons was a comprise, bush's is what he genuinely wants.[/QUOTE]

So Bush spoke out on an issue he truly believes in, whereas Clinton signed something as a 'compromise'. Support the issue or not, I respect someone a lot more who stands up for what he believes in.

niceguyshawne is right. There's plenty of oil/gas right now. The supply is low due to various issues, the demand is high, so prices have gone up. It's called the economy. A natural thing. But once the weather crises pass, and things get patched back up, people who want to buy gas, will do so. At the price they want? Perhaps not. But show me someone who wouldn't say "I would not want to pay less" on virtually everything.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']So Bush spoke out on an issue he truly believes in, whereas Clinton signed something as a 'compromise'. Support the issue or not, I respect someone a lot more who stands up for what he believes in.[/QUOTE]

And I respect a man who's willing to put aside his own personal beliefs and form a compromise that satisfies both sides of the table, something lacking in this administration. No wonder why our country is so polarized today.
 
i live in starkville, MS. the eye of the hurricane passed just west of us. today alone gas prices rose $0.16. i live across the street from a gas station and there is a huge line waiting to get gas. i'm not sure if this is a political thread, but i wanted to let you guys know what's going on down here. it's kind of crazy.
 
Monday I could get gas for 2.54. Today, I saw about half at 2.79 and half at 2.89, and the one that's always the cheapest was 2.99. Ya know, I want it to hit 5, but I wish there was a way to get rid of my car. But I can't afford difference I'd need for a hybrid.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Monday I could get gas for 2.54. Today, I saw about half at 2.79 and half at 2.89, and the one that's always the cheapest was 2.99. Ya know, I want it to hit 5, but I wish there was a way to get rid of my car. But I can't afford difference I'd need for a hybrid.[/QUOTE]

i'm sorry, but why do you want it to hit 5?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Basically to force fuel efficiency.[/QUOTE]

i agree with you and think there is a need in american to be more fuel efficien, or even get rid of the stuff. but the problem i see is that the means to get these ends would cause incredible damage to America. the poor would hit the worst, not only because they could afford the gas but they probably wouldn't be able to afford the "new" fuel efficient cars when they come out. also, prices on goods would skyrocket and would most likely lead to widespread strikes among truckers and other haulers. it would in effect stop soccer moms from driving suvs, but at the same time there is no guarantee that they will transfer over. the rich won't really see it as a big deal, and will either continue to drive their non-fuel efficient cars, or switch over witout any worries.

again, i agree with you, but it would really be a long process to get fuel efficient. i don't have any other means to get to the same ends, so maybe this way is the best, but it will come at a huge price, especially for the poor.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']And I respect a man who's willing to put aside his own personal beliefs and form a compromise that satisfies both sides of the table, something lacking in this administration. No wonder why our country is so polarized today.[/QUOTE]

So you support GWB's letting Teddy Kennedy virtually cowrite the education bill, and his proactively seeking to work on an issue near and dear to the left [Medicare], and his huge giveaway transportation bill, and the fact that he has *never* used a veto? He does sound like your kind of president.

And there's a difference between 'compromise' and 'sycophantic pollpleasing'.

re: Bensbargains. Wow, there are some shining examples of 'tolerant liberals' there. :roll:
I'd say, Hey, my using deals like this [if it weren't spyware] is what allows me to be able to spend money elsewhere, like on my big truck and on gas.

Who here has a 'fuel efficient' car? Who here has a Prius, or other hybrid? [If you do, well, good for you. Seriously, not sarcastic.] Who here has invested money with people or companies wanting to research and produce hybrids/alternate methods? Who here has called or written a letter--postal, snail mail--saying "I will not buy another vehicle unless and until it gets 45+ MPG"? Who here discusses these things with his friends or on the internet, not divisively [You earthkiller SUV driver you!] but in a way that interests the friends and lets them see benefits in supporting R&D on alternate fuels? And last of all, who sits on the internet bitching and moaning about it, and wishing that The Government, the nanny state, That Which Cures All Ills [by creating a cure worse than the disease in most cases] would 'make' those evil CEOs "think of the children" and use our tax dollars for inefficient, nonproductive research?
 
[quote name='munch']i agree with you and think there is a need in american to be more fuel efficien, or even get rid of the stuff. but the problem i see is that the means to get these ends would cause incredible damage to America. the poor would hit the worst, not only because they could afford the gas but they probably wouldn't be able to afford the "new" fuel efficient cars when they come out. also, prices on goods would skyrocket and would most likely lead to widespread strikes among truckers and other haulers. it would in effect stop soccer moms from driving suvs, but at the same time there is no guarantee that they will transfer over. the rich won't really see it as a big deal, and will either continue to drive their non-fuel efficient cars, or switch over witout any worries.

again, i agree with you, but it would really be a long process to get fuel efficient. i don't have any other means to get to the same ends, so maybe this way is the best, but it will come at a huge price, especially for the poor.[/QUOTE]

But it's going to have to happen eventually anyway. Better to do it now, maybe we can save some of the harm done on the environment, and this way we have time to find a better fuel.
 
[quote name='coffman']If not, there's a good chance the price of gas will shoot up even further.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2005/08/15/afx2181137.html

Evidently, the Bush administration has such poor diplomatic relations right now with Venezuela that Chavez is threatening to stop all shipments of oil to the U.S. We currently receive 15% of our oil from Venezuela. I wonder how long it will be until terrorists from Venezuela attack us so that we can invade that country?[/QUOTE]

oh good. i am glad you put that in becuase if you were just going to ask the question, i was ready to answer very sarcastically.

oh and Bush doesnt know hwo to handle anything or anyone, he probably met with their leader or whatever Venezuela has, and called him stinky or something, either way, Bush is a virus.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']Who here has a 'fuel efficient' car? Who here has a Prius, or other hybrid? [If you do, well, good for you. Seriously, not sarcastic.] Who here has invested money with people or companies wanting to research and produce hybrids/alternate methods? Who here has called or written a letter--postal, snail mail--saying "I will not buy another vehicle unless and until it gets 45+ MPG"? Who here discusses these things with his friends or on the internet, not divisively [You earthkiller SUV driver you!] but in a way that interests the friends and lets them see benefits in supporting R&D on alternate fuels? And last of all, who sits on the internet bitching and moaning about it, and wishing that The Government, the nanny state, That Which Cures All Ills [by creating a cure worse than the disease in most cases] would 'make' those evil CEOs "think of the children" and use our tax dollars for inefficient, nonproductive research?[/QUOTE]

That's why high gas prices will hopefully force consumers and the industry to change.
 
[quote name='stocker08']I am taking bets on how long it will be before Bush and his "Crew" blame the high gas prices on Democrats :roll:[/QUOTE]

I'm wondering how long it'll be before the Iraq War failure is blamed on the "rubberstamping" democrats. :roll:
 
everyone wanting the oil industry and the automotive industry to change overnight is dreaming. People don't buy hybrids because the cost benefit ratio is not great enough to justify purchasing them yet.

and wanting big business to get rich by having high oil prices is wrong. Everyone who claims to be on the left here should be ashamed that they want companies like ExxonMobil, who made 10 billion more this year than in 2003 and just got a tax break to make even more.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']everyone wanting the oil industry and the automotive industry to change overnight is dreaming. People don't buy hybrids because the cost benefit ratio is not great enough to justify purchasing them yet.

and wanting big business to get rich by having high oil prices is wrong. Everyone who claims to be on the left here should be ashamed that they want companies like ExxonMobil, who made 10 billion more this year than in 2003 and just got a tax break to make even more.[/QUOTE]

Eh, if the end result is good (more fuel efficiency, or maybe a new fuel source) then who cares if big business has a spike in profits for a while? The way it's going isn't exactly good on the environment, another "left" issue.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']People don't buy hybrids because the cost benefit ratio is not great enough to justify purchasing them yet. [/QUOTE]

eh? Now I dont know what the exact cost benefit ratio is, but I know that in big cities you may have to be in a waiting list as much as a year to get a Prius. They are being bought faster than they can be produced, if you buy one you can sell it immediately for higher than retail.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']eh? Now I dont know what the exact cost benefit ratio is, but I know that in big cities you may have to be in a waiting list as much as a year to get a Prius. They are being bought faster than they can be produced, if you buy one you can sell it immediately for higher than retail.[/QUOTE]

yes! i'm going to buy one in alabama, then take to a big city so i can make enough money to buy that huge SUV i've always wanted! :)
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']eh? Now I dont know what the exact cost benefit ratio is, but I know that in big cities you may have to be in a waiting list as much as a year to get a Prius. They are being bought faster than they can be produced, if you buy one you can sell it immediately for higher than retail.[/QUOTE]


unless something has changed, my teachers daughter bought a hybrid civic (or whatever the hybrid honda is) and it was 6K more than a regular one. When you look at how much fuel you are going to have to use to equal the cost of a regular one, you are going to have to put so many miles on it that is does not make it worth it.

and I fail to see how the ends justify the means as far as wanting a spike in oil costs. Most of the people hurt are not going to be able to afford to buy new cars anyway and they are just going to be left out to suffer. This will occur while the oil companies continue to rake in the money, so unless we go to communism and the government starts issuing cars, there is just no plausible way this is going to work.

this does not even factor in the fact that everyone's lives revolve around petroleum and with the raise in prices, just about everything you buy would see astronomical rises in prices and pretty much bring about uncontrollable inflation
 
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